I really doubt mushrooms, dmt, or insanity caused his brain cancer. If anything caused it, it was probably genetics or a coal burning power plant. I was being a little sarcastic in my post. I sensed maybe a little sarcasm in psyghost's post as well.
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Terence Mckenna and his ideas today
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i love Mckenna for the interesting trips he has had, especially when he goes to the amazon. i have never cared for his theories though, as i have found many things flawed. unless i am misinterpreting him..
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With all the talks of bad trips, we should see what Mckenna says. I've transcibed what he says in workshop called "The tree of knowledge" about bad trips. Heres a hint: he says they exist:
"This is why beginners almost never have bad trips, because somebody in there looks at your clipboard and says “this guy has never done this before so lay off the rough stuff, just bring him through the standard number” It’s the people who consider themselves experienced who've done it 30, 40 times, it says “we can take the gloves off with this guy”. It always amazes me, I sometimes meet people who say “Ive taken mushrooms 50 times and I’ve never had a bad trip. I say “lucky soul…..because when it goes left its hard…its hard….you have to really then denote your montras bongle is the best advise I can give you because you need to steer back towards main stream. Now maybe at this point, this is a good point to talk about what to do when the going gets rough. There are at least two things you can do that are very effective. The first is, its simple thing, but people in our culture are very resistant to this, is you sing. You force air into your lungs and body and you chant, anything you want. And it will radically alter the parameters. Theres a certain place in psilocybin which I call the meat locker. Now, I don’t like this place, ya know. Meat locker is a mild term for it. Its more like the morgue for the homicide unit. Whenever I start drifting that way, I sing, and I can make my way through it. Another thing you can do is smoke cannabis. "
There you have it, from the master. Bad trips exist.
"This is why beginners almost never have bad trips, because somebody in there looks at your clipboard and says “this guy has never done this before so lay off the rough stuff, just bring him through the standard number” It’s the people who consider themselves experienced who've done it 30, 40 times, it says “we can take the gloves off with this guy”. It always amazes me, I sometimes meet people who say “Ive taken mushrooms 50 times and I’ve never had a bad trip. I say “lucky soul…..because when it goes left its hard…its hard….you have to really then denote your montras bongle is the best advise I can give you because you need to steer back towards main stream. Now maybe at this point, this is a good point to talk about what to do when the going gets rough. There are at least two things you can do that are very effective. The first is, its simple thing, but people in our culture are very resistant to this, is you sing. You force air into your lungs and body and you chant, anything you want. And it will radically alter the parameters. Theres a certain place in psilocybin which I call the meat locker. Now, I don’t like this place, ya know. Meat locker is a mild term for it. Its more like the morgue for the homicide unit. Whenever I start drifting that way, I sing, and I can make my way through it. Another thing you can do is smoke cannabis. "
There you have it, from the master. Bad trips exist.
Xorkoth
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It's maybe tempting to blame psychedelics for his brain cancer, but the fact is that these days, cancer is becoming more and more common at younger and younger ages. 54 isn't really that young to be getting cancer. We have so many poisons floating around in our food, our air, our water... there are so many factors that it would really take some in-depth detective work by leading professionals to discover what caused it.
Hey...
Some of Mckenna's stuff is a little *wacky* , sure.. but just because *some* (i'm not that familiar with it so *some* maybe a LOT, maybe LITTLE, all personal opinions i guess),
Did any of you check out the links I posted about the singularity? The timewave zero thing, mayan calendar, sure, but look at ALL THE DIFFERENT people talking.. about.. the SAME THING!
People that aren't going to read any of that, and then come in here and say "bullshit, its just like those wierdo's that killed themselves thinking.. whatever" (fuck i forget the name).
I challenge any of you to google "the singularity", here for yer lazy asses..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+singularity&btnG=Google+Search
actually read some links, there are people that think its gonna be around 2025.. 2060.. 2010.. Come back here then, after reading some of it, come back and quote some stuff, and then tell me "bullshit" or tell me why you think this singularity is BS..
bitch all day about mckenna, quote some fucked up shit he said or whatever, yay, exciting thread! I've read SO many different groups/people's versions of what they think of it, the math they've done, and one thing is clear - most of them would have no idea who mckenna is, or anything about the mayan calendar, ... its coming.. tell me why its not?
Some of Mckenna's stuff is a little *wacky* , sure.. but just because *some* (i'm not that familiar with it so *some* maybe a LOT, maybe LITTLE, all personal opinions i guess),
Did any of you check out the links I posted about the singularity? The timewave zero thing, mayan calendar, sure, but look at ALL THE DIFFERENT people talking.. about.. the SAME THING!
People that aren't going to read any of that, and then come in here and say "bullshit, its just like those wierdo's that killed themselves thinking.. whatever" (fuck i forget the name).
I challenge any of you to google "the singularity", here for yer lazy asses..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+singularity&btnG=Google+Search
actually read some links, there are people that think its gonna be around 2025.. 2060.. 2010.. Come back here then, after reading some of it, come back and quote some stuff, and then tell me "bullshit" or tell me why you think this singularity is BS..
bitch all day about mckenna, quote some fucked up shit he said or whatever, yay, exciting thread! I've read SO many different groups/people's versions of what they think of it, the math they've done, and one thing is clear - most of them would have no idea who mckenna is, or anything about the mayan calendar, ... its coming.. tell me why its not?
Xorkoth
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Thanks for the link... it's prompted me to start doing some research into that topic which I've been meaning to do for a while. It's also given me something to ponder during my next trip. I'm not sure what to believe at this point except that I do think it's an exciting prospect.
But on the other hand, it just seems a little egocentric to think that our particular point in time is so special. There's a whole universe out there which I'm quite sure contains other intelligent beings at varying stages of development. It just seems like a bit of a coincidence that this singularity would be occurring so immediately, given the entire history of time is so vast. But then again, it would have to be a coicidence to someone at some point.
Anyway I'm just speculating. I haven't done any reading yet so no solid opinions have formed.
EDIT: In my brief reading that I just did, one problem I keep seeing is the assumption that here on Earth, we humans are the only thing in existence which has gotten to this point. To quote just one person, Dr. Ray Kurzweil, "One can make a strong case that it's actually the cutting edge of the evolution of intelligence in general, because there's no indication that it's occurred anywhere else." Well, yes, but then again we can hardly even say we know what's going on in our own solar system, let alone anywhere else in the vast cosmos.
But I can buy the advancement of our own race into a new stage, as the exponential growth of technology is clearly measurable. But to say that it is something universal, beyond just us, may be a bit presumptuous.
But on the other hand, it just seems a little egocentric to think that our particular point in time is so special. There's a whole universe out there which I'm quite sure contains other intelligent beings at varying stages of development. It just seems like a bit of a coincidence that this singularity would be occurring so immediately, given the entire history of time is so vast. But then again, it would have to be a coicidence to someone at some point.
Anyway I'm just speculating. I haven't done any reading yet so no solid opinions have formed.
EDIT: In my brief reading that I just did, one problem I keep seeing is the assumption that here on Earth, we humans are the only thing in existence which has gotten to this point. To quote just one person, Dr. Ray Kurzweil, "One can make a strong case that it's actually the cutting edge of the evolution of intelligence in general, because there's no indication that it's occurred anywhere else." Well, yes, but then again we can hardly even say we know what's going on in our own solar system, let alone anywhere else in the vast cosmos.
But I can buy the advancement of our own race into a new stage, as the exponential growth of technology is clearly measurable. But to say that it is something universal, beyond just us, may be a bit presumptuous.
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Xorkoth said:
Pretty much, especially since the world we live in today is an ecosystem of carcinogens thanks to our friends in the industrial and chemical industries.
There is no reason to look at psychedelics as a cause, not when they have been used so extensively over so long a period of time. If mushrooms caused cancer I am sure we would know by now. There are a number of amazonian shamans and curanderos who drink ayahuasca as much as once or even twice a week (max, many times once or twice a month) for 50+ years.
ninjadanslarbretabar
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i think earing him is a lot more interesting than reading him
and ive been throu 100hour of is lecture
( http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/ )
he shure can make me remember how extreme "this" is and can be
i love what he did with is life, sharing all that stuff
i wish he was still alive
it did help me alot to ear him speak about so much
and if he didnt sound crazy i woudnt belive he took enough
and ive been throu 100hour of is lecture
( http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/ )
he shure can make me remember how extreme "this" is and can be
i love what he did with is life, sharing all that stuff
i wish he was still alive
it did help me alot to ear him speak about so much
and if he didnt sound crazy i woudnt belive he took enough
soma_junkie
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Terence was a brilliant orator with an amazing mind. But I don't take any of his ideas about Timewave Zero seriously. I see it as nothing more than abstract conceptual art.....and I believe he saw it that way as well, despite the "serious" way he presented it. That said, listening to his lectures always gets my brain buzzing.
anhalonium9
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Terence Mckenna
if you don't know who terence mckenna is, you should. he was perhaps the smartest, most logically profound whip in the psychedelic continuum. here is a media page: http://www.buddhafart.com/TERENCE/
or google him
if you don't know who terence mckenna is, you should. he was perhaps the smartest, most logically profound whip in the psychedelic continuum. here is a media page: http://www.buddhafart.com/TERENCE/
or google him
swilow
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Cheers, but I'm sure most people know who Terence McKenna was. Fascinating guy, some hare-brained theories thatmake more sense then most tripe I hear these days. True Hallucinations is a great book, especially when one reads it with a steady diet of DMT and 4-ho-DMT on hand.
As samadhi smiles said, the aliens are arriving (I had a huge response written for that thread only for it to be closed before I could post) and we must be prepared. Look inside yourself, thats where they should emerge from, if what I'm told is correct.
2012 approaches-
are you shpongled yet?
666
As samadhi smiles said, the aliens are arriving (I had a huge response written for that thread only for it to be closed before I could post) and we must be prepared. Look inside yourself, thats where they should emerge from, if what I'm told is correct.
2012 approaches-
are you shpongled yet?
666
anhalonium9
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willow11 said:
true enough. i guess what i meant by this post was for ppl that had not already, to actually digest his ideas and theories. i'm sure i had heard of TM during my formulative days of tripping, but i had never actually understood the totality of what this gracious monkey-man had to say until later in my life. there is great wisdom. hence the media link. should be enough for hours and hours of neural stimulation.
this is radical evolution at zero hour...
fastandbulbous
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Mad as a fish in the end. Started off as a bloody good scientist, but then did a bit of a John Lilley and well, er, seemed to lose the plot somewhat...
anhalonium9
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why do you say that, my friend?MattPsy said:
of course, i totally respect your opinion f&b. lilly was insane at some point. however, i believe perhaps one has to be insane to take on dangerous truth. it has been said that approaching insanity w courage is what makes a good shaman. of course, there is a fine line.
what if the truth at the core of reality was insane w paradox? just a thought. but, geez, for real, BLer's can be so critical sometimes.
i still love you though.
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swilow
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To Matt Psy---
^^^^What do you mean? Not being antagonistic, just the insane part. I think he did certainly take the psychedelic ideas to an extremity- but coherently. He has been a big influence on me, in working through/ integrating my DMT trips- seeing the inherent 'safety' in challenging the paradigm and accepting the beheld difference, subjectively and objectively realising the definite possibility that 'reality' is more/less/sabuigbr then what we think. Its nice to know someone's been there before, and been willing to risk telling a truth. His ideas on linguostics confirmed mine, and my realisation of such lingual manipulation actually came before I read his work- he just worded it, WORDLESSLY in his books, talks etc etc.. Granted, as a human he had flaws and certainly proclaimed the irrational but I haven't ahad a trip yet that wasn't at least party unknowelable-
Terence McKenna was not a prophet, but a scientist-
AND he was not a guru-
but as an avatar of psy culture, I think he told of an incomprehensible truth; his methods of delivery, his wording, his placing of himself as centre in the scenario, his linguistic challenge/games, are irritating for rationality, but the spirit/quantum/mushroomDMT world works in a shady, ambiguous manner unless adressed with the realisation that paradox is all there is IMO.
Sorryanhalomium9 (sp?) if I seemed dismissive of Terence. Nice topic, much to be thought of.
^^^^What do you mean? Not being antagonistic, just the insane part. I think he did certainly take the psychedelic ideas to an extremity- but coherently. He has been a big influence on me, in working through/ integrating my DMT trips- seeing the inherent 'safety' in challenging the paradigm and accepting the beheld difference, subjectively and objectively realising the definite possibility that 'reality' is more/less/sabuigbr then what we think. Its nice to know someone's been there before, and been willing to risk telling a truth. His ideas on linguostics confirmed mine, and my realisation of such lingual manipulation actually came before I read his work- he just worded it, WORDLESSLY in his books, talks etc etc.. Granted, as a human he had flaws and certainly proclaimed the irrational but I haven't ahad a trip yet that wasn't at least party unknowelable-
Terence McKenna was not a prophet, but a scientist-
AND he was not a guru-
but as an avatar of psy culture, I think he told of an incomprehensible truth; his methods of delivery, his wording, his placing of himself as centre in the scenario, his linguistic challenge/games, are irritating for rationality, but the spirit/quantum/mushroomDMT world works in a shady, ambiguous manner unless adressed with the realisation that paradox is all there is IMO.
Sorryanhalomium9 (sp?
) if I seemed dismissive of Terence. Nice topic, much to be thought of.
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swilow
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^not merged- synchcronised.
Riemann Zeta
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He certainly possessed a unique literary eloquence, at least in the beginning. His theories however, were pretty much bullshit. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of Ray Kurzweil, an author and philosopher that crossed into pseudoscience. Both of them shared a consistent arrogance in positing their own "transhumanistic" mental masturbation as cold-hard scientific theory.