Tennessee Drug Tests Welfare Applicants, Discovers Less Than One Percent Use Drugs

[neversickanymore]

Tennessee Drug Tests Welfare Applicants, Discovers Less Than One Percent Use Drugs
BRYCE COVERT
AUGUST 7, 2014

In July, Tennessee began a drug testing program for applicants to the state’s welfare program. Since then, just one person has tested positive out of more than 800.

Applicants have to answer three questions about drug use to get benefits, and if they answer yes to any of them, they get referred to urine testing. If the result is positive, they have to complete a treatment plan and then take another test. If the second comes back positive, they get cut off from benefits for six months. Those who refuse to take a drug test in the first place can’t get benefits.

In the month since it began, six people submitted to a drug test and just one tested positive out of the 812 people who applied. Four were turned down for benefits because they refused to participate in drug screening. That means a positive rate of 0.12 percent for those who took part in the screening. That compares to the 8 percent of state residents generally who use illegal drugs.

Despite stereotypes that the poor people who need welfare assistance use drugs at a high rate, other states have had similar results. In Utah, just 12 people tested positive in a year of drug testing applicants. In Florida, 2 percent of applicants failed the tests in 2011 but the state has an 8 percent rate of illegal drug use.

And when Maine’s governor set out to prove that welfare recipients in his state were using their benefits to buy drinks and cigarettes at bars and strip clubs, he turned up next to nothing.

Many other stereotypes about how welfare recipients use their money turn out to be untrue when data is examined. Those who get public assistance spend less than half of what families who aren’t enrolled spend and still put a larger share of those small budgets toward basics like food, housing, and transportation. At the same time, they spend less on luxuries like eating out and entertainment.

Welfare recipients may be spending so much less in part because the benefits have become so meager. Virtually all of them are worth less now than in 1996. And many families who should be eligible aren’t even getting them. In the mid-90s, a little over a quarter of poor families with children didn’t get benefits. In 2012 that number had soared to three-quarters.

Yet a chunk of the program money is being used now to administer these costly drug testing regimes. Utah spent more than $30,000 in the year that turned up just 12 drug users.

The purported savings in Florida’s program will be negligible after administrative costs and reimbursements for the drug tests are taken into account. The $1.5 million price tag with

just $229,000 in savings for a proposed program in Virginia prompted lawmakers to reject it.

Still, the move has been popular in other states. Eleven of them have enacted drug screening or testing for welfare applicants.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/08/07/3468610/tennessee-welfare-drug-test-positive/

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Who doesn't have there urine checked anymore? The criminals, homeless and drug users piss for the system, the workers piss for the companies and corporations, the mothers and most health care workers piss for the hospitals, the Kids get it at some schools, The military must right(?).. Oh yeah its the very people who are insisting through every freedom removing law they pass in the name of protecting our freedom. I just don't know how they get away with this shit over and over. Actually I do.. the vast majority of americans are easier to manipulate than play PlayDoe. They tune into the 1000 channel brain washing box and truely believe that what they here from it has there best interest in mind and is based on fact. They have no idea that they are literally puppets.

Warning Very Long Rant inside.

NSFW:

If anyone wants to know what the population of the united states views on subject, a seemingly very diverse population and constituting a populous of 317 million people all you need to do is ask enough people to identify a segment of 1000 random people what they think. There answers should give within 3% up or down exactly what the whole population is thinking.

But of course the powers at work have instant access to, infinite and accurate, personal opinions of the world, on everything that could garner an opinion. In a world where you only need to check with a thousand random people to accurately determine what everyones thinking and at what percentage they think this way... I wonder what they can do with a sample size of billions of people, with access complete random opinions pertaining to any subject they desire. We pump out everything they want for free. Twitter, Facebook, Google, Email, comments posted after news stories, text messages. Its good to remember, If the product is free, then you are the product (free radio, TV, and other traditional media included)

They likely know what we are going to do before we even do. If they know what we will think and what our reaction will be before we even know there is something to react to. Add to this that they control the media, which they can manipulate very powerfully if they new ahead of time, exactly how we would react to the messages they put out there. So they know everything that happens a little before or when we do, pretty much instantaneously. They could no before we react how we are going to react, if not they have a perfect real time world picture of how we do and where we stand on everything at anytime. They also have powerful tolls they can use to manipulate people into thinking and acting how they want.

All that is needed to see this see this right now is observe and chat with a fox news clone. If you need to go looking for them they are not generally hard to spot in most cases. Begin by looking for older male who fancies themselves a success by largely attributes to their finances, position, and/or title, material belongings etc. If this is confusing, just watch the mind control box and look at all the things it advertises. This is what the clone will think is important and if they are completed clones they will derive their personal worth from these. With such a distorted self worth they often are pretty smug and arogant. Most are unhappy, but may just think this is the natural state "real men." Surprisingly, some are well educated. In the end this is one of the easiest ways to identify this class of suspected Foxombi, Murdoch marionette, or Rupertduction*. Hog wash coming from a person that should know better is harder to dismiss or ignore. *Coin I think

If you think you have one please shine a black light on the back of there neck as it should illuminate a bar code and a note that states "Fox News Droid- If found malfunctioning* please return to Rupert Murdoch at #1 World Puppet Master Boulevard, Earth. *Talking complete nonsense as it was fact in normal and intended so does not indicate malfunction.


The rampant use of widespread universal Urine testing on individuals that haven't done anything to warrant them is an infringement of our freedom.

One the scariest and shadiest tools, the greedy and ever power hungry "elite" that are dramatically restructuring the foundations of our nation and expanding the police state, is there ability to control the people useing emotional manipulations projected out through the media.

Emotional pleas include Freedom and Protection. Freedom is a corner stone with Americans, Its an concept we value very much. So much so that it can be used as blinding black and white emotional manipulation. Its even more powerful than the old Save the Children nonsense. Think of the children was an emotional plea that linked a policy they implemented to the love and importance we as a society place on our children and children in general and our instinctual importance on there protection and safety. Therefore if we opposed the policies we suddenly found ourselves promoting harm to children.

The Freedom thing works the same damn way.. When they want generate widespread public support or do not want to disclose whats really going on they play the FREEDOM card.

We need to do this to protect your freedom they say. Well if we oppose this we find ourself opposed to freedom. The sheep belive the Freedom garbage they throw out there and strong positive emotions coming from personal association to freedom, combine with the immense value that is placed on it, and multiply with strong negative emotions such as terror and rage at the thought of loosing it. This blinds rational thought so successfully that Preserving freedom has been used to justify looses of freedom over and over.

We need to take away your freedom in order to protect it. If this comes up as a justification, we need to thoroughly examine this. Other than Colorado I can't think of many instances where freedom was restored or expanded. I can think of many instances where it further taken away. Protecting freedom means preserving it, not steadily shaving it down.

A great example of the power of manipulation through emotion, esp fear and emotion surrounding freedom. The passage of the patriot act. Everybody was so shaken by 911 that rational thinking was gone. Not just in congress like it always is these days, but on a grand scale. With only one vote opposed (Russ Feingold).

A massive section of the bill of rights was weakened so significantly, that now many rights are only rights as long as we are classified as a citizen under there protection. This causes rights a antiquated term when describing many of the ideas that were effected. If a right depends on an open determination, then its no longer a right and has become a privilege. The basis for classification is receive this privilege is grossly undefined. With no strong legal protection that lays out what specifically constitutes a terrorist, allocates a fair and just process for this determination, and checks and balances to increase its acuracy, then anyone they designate is a terorrist. They have also instantly lost all those "rights." which would have alowed them to fight the determination or do really anything. The can be held without charge, council, indefinitely.

So what happened here was the tragedy of 911. I widespread temporary panic. During the panic this atotiosue legislation was aproved as law and many Americans still think this is some way is going to protect them from terror attacks.

The Bill of rights is the document the founding fathers drew up, and attempted to make indestructible, to protect the people from the government. The fear and panic of 911 allowed this argument to fly with only one person rational enough to see that this argument made no sense.

We the government need to essentially eliminate the laws that are in place to protect you from us so that we can protect you. I doing so we are also going to whittle away at a bunch more of your freedoms, but don't worry thats so we can ensure freedom.

Sounds like the drug war nonsense.

We have been ruining lives in the name of saving them for forty years. Think Of The Children!!

They have been hacking away at the freedom in America forever. The have also been actively increasing there power through many little and big moves. The piss testing thing is just another brick in the wall.


I had no idea I had such a rant im me today

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Lol only one positive test
Think about all that wasted money that could have gone to feeding the poor...

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Not a big surprise. The amount of people who receive welfare who don't need it is so low and overblown by the media.

 

[my3rdeye]

It's expensive to do drugs. I had to get a 2nd job just pay for my weed/beer/psychedelics and those are the "cheap" drugs. The idea these people are blowing their tiny welfare check on crack on heroin is silly. After rent and food and a bus pass I doubt they have much left.
If you want to do something positive do something about the deadbeat dads with 5 kids from 5 women that just keeping making more mouths to feed.

 

[pmoseman]

Lol only one positive test
Think about all that wasted money that could have gone to feeding the poor...

They spent money on 6 urine tests.

It's expensive to do drugs. I had to get a 2nd job just pay for my weed/beer/psychedelics and those are the "cheap" drugs. The idea these people are blowing their tiny welfare check on crack on heroin is silly. After rent and food and a bus pass I doubt they have much left.
If you want to do something positive do something about the deadbeat dads with 5 kids from 5 women that just keeping making more mouths to feed.

Having worked in a subsidized housing unit with drug abuses going on every night, I can understand the bad reputation. You have a lot of people with drug problems living close together and a negative influence can find its way inside. It may only be a minority of people causing a problem, those you witness may not even be authorized to live there, but that is all it takes to get a bad first impression, and if you want to dispell that misconception it is going to be tough.

I know homeless individuals who would rather be on their own than put up with the shelters. Go tell them they are wrong about the drug abuse and theft there and you will get nowhere fast. A drug abuser is going to trade anything they can for drugs: food, bus passes, stolen goods, and housing, it can all be transformed in some way. They can make wages under the table, which is not hard to do, and while that should be going toward their own needs, they use drugs and welfare pays for their needs. Once you are getting paid for not working, it makes little sense, financially, to support yourself. While it is really hard to listen to someone who seems to think they are irreproachable talk about how horrible welfare recipients are, I have to admit the general idea is not wholly fabricated.

If you pay attention, half the people Tennessee planned on directly testing failed the test, one way or another. A number of people may refuse welfare who are eligible, and they are better off in my opinion, but refusing a drug test while you are taking welfare for ethical reasons? Find that hard to believe.

 

[neversickanymore]

They still only detected one... and this whole show makes me think they are testing the wrong people. This is either a charade or the people who planned this "test" were/are on a long binge.

 

[drug_mentor]

I live in kind of a shitty area, drug use is pretty rife, and among the people who don't take "drugs" alcohol and tobacco addiction are very common. A relatively considerable percentage of people out my way are dependent on both drugs and State welfare, but I would be willing to bet that when it comes to illicit drug use (particularly hard drug use), a relatively small percentage is actually being paid for out of welfare cheques as opposed to criminal activity or undeclared work.

Welfare/dole/centrelink really does not leave one with much disposable income once you pay for rent, food and petrol, bus passes or train fares. There might be a fair few who will buy an ounce of cannabis out of their fortnightly dole payment and sell off a quarter to half of it as their means for paying for food and whatnot, but generally speaking, most drug addicts on welfare pretty much get to make the bare minimum of ends meet on their dole payment and have to lie, cheat and steal to pay for a real addiction, unless perhaps that addiction is to casked wine or increasingly expensive legal tobacco.

It does surprise me that a percentage of welfare recipients this small tested positive for drugs, but when they tested only six people it becomes a lot less surprising. In my experience/observation, those who take the most advantage of the system are the best at milking it, and it does not shock me that few, if any, of these people would be drug tested.

The title of the article is very misleading though, granted less than one percent tested positive for drugs, but if less than one percent were tested for drugs in the first place then this was an inevitable result, whether they all happened to test positive or not.

 

[ro4eva]

A drug abuser is going to trade anything they can for drugs: food, bus passes, stolen goods, and housing, it can all be transformed in some way.

If you weren't a social worker who sounds like she has only dealt with people who are living in poverty or considered poor by definition, you would know that's not true.

I have "abused" many controlled substances for close to two decades, yet have been perfectly able to maintain a full time job, a post-secondary education, paid bills, zero debt, good credit, good long-term relationships, etc.

They can make wages under the table, which is not hard to do, and while that should be going toward their own needs, they use drugs and welfare pays for their needs. Once you are getting paid for not working, it makes little sense, financially, to support yourself. While it is really hard to listen to someone who seems to think they are irreproachable talk about how horrible welfare recipients are, I have to admit the general idea is not wholly fabricated.

There is a huge flaw in the way that mainstream America tries to deal with the habitual use of CERTAIN habit forming drugs.

Abstinence-based drug treatment will never work because it doesn't deal with the root of the problem.

Abstinence-based addiction "experts" are so obsessed with control of CERTAIN potentially addictive substances that they forget to consider that the patient once wasn't an addict, but that something happened down the line of his life which contributed to him turning to recreational drug use, which then became a full-blown habit.

On top of that, many addicts of controlled substances are painfully aware that they have to put up with what is pure hypocrisy in the form of alcoholic beverages and tobacco/nicotine products.

When I was in rehab, I had to listen to some "expert" belittle me everyday for two months for a couple of hours because of my decision to use opioids without the consent of the government. After she was finished verbally bitchslapping me for my drug of choice, I had to watch her freely partake in her drug of choice (nicotine) without concern for her freedom, career, and short term quality of life. And if that isn't hypocrisy at its finest then I don't know what is.

 

[my3rdeye]

I was watching a documentary, I think it was Switzerland, maybe Russia. They took all the street addicts and put them on government opiates and put them in welfare housing. Took them off the street in got them in the system. They went from looking like the living dead to looking healthy and the area they were a nuisance cleaned right up. In short the welfare system is probably where addicts belong. We could just give free rent, and food vouchers and drugs and then give them no spending money too if their addictions are really bad. Where i live we give them a cheque and they pay their rent of of it, I almost think it would be better if the state paid their rent for them so they don't have option to make bad financial decision and end up homeless.
Prohibition is the pretty much the sole reason an addiction to illegal drugs causes the welfare recipient to resort to crime. A heroin addiction should cost as much as a cigarette addiction. It is sad that welfare recipients are used as a scapegoat by politicians. I see the single mom whose baby daddy abandoned them as way different than a healthy guy who just doesn't want to work. How many are the latter? No idea I will ask my social worker friend some time...

 

[pmoseman]

I have "abused" many controlled substances for close to two decades, yet have been perfectly able to maintain a full time job, a post-secondary education, paid bills, zero debt, good credit, good long-term relationships, etc.

When I have used the term abuse people have given me a hard time for describing any illicit drug use (misuse) as abuse and now that I use it meaning to continue use as it ruins your life I still get complaints.

Please clear this up for me. You are putting in the quotes to say you do not support the common usage, so you just like complaining?

Also, saying abstinence never helps anyone is not true, but what does that have to do with narcotic welfare misappropriation?

 

['medicine cabinet']

Pissing in the cup is such a scam. I have to do it at my Mmt every month. I can't I.agine how much it costs to send out like hundreds of samples and they def do. BC once I smoked some rock before a surprise test and it came back for coke. I kinda figured they just did it for show lol its a Mmt. At least at mine all the counselors staff and everyone else esp the clinic dr

doest give a shit about anything. When my PCP cut me off my xanax I went to the clinic dr asking if he could detox me and he said go buy the xanax on the street lmao...seriously. I toldy new drs who gave me my old meds, they almost didn't believe me.

Many years ago I had the semi common junkie plan on joining the military and getting my life straight AMD all that shit, but the night before the army administered physicals and drug tests, I shot a huge blast of coke and raw and they said there was nothing wrong with the drug test, no way they actually tested it.

Soany ppl make so much bank off drug testing and pissing in a cup. Its insane. And basically everyone gets piss tested. I hate it, its dehumanizing lol, you, piss in this cup and we are going to analyze it for anything we want and no one can stop us mhuajahaha

 

[ro4eva]

When I have used the term abuse people have given me a hard time for describing any illicit drug use (misuse) as abuse and now that I use it meaning to continue use as it ruins your life I still get complaints.

Please clear this up for me. You are putting in the quotes to say you do not support the common usage, so you just like complaining?

Also, saying abstinence never helps anyone is not true, but what does that have to do with narcotic welfare misappropriation?

Sometimes, yes, I like complaining if it gets your attention.

The first reason I'm complaining is because it sounds like you're slapping everyone who uses an illicit substance as a drug abuser - which is bullshit.

And second reason I'm complaining is because it appears you're making assumptions about the behavior of every drug abuser - which is also bullshit.

Combine that with your unrealistic attitude towards prison being a bad good influence, the prison population, the war on drugs, Harry Anslinger, myself, yourself, and others here, and I think you've got a serious problem.

Just what is your agenda here?

Do you really think you can come here and change minds by disagreeing and referencing anecdotal evidence at best, and then throwing in some outrageous statements which somehow qualify you as an expert on the matter?

You know, it's funny when I think about what would happen to you and countless others if all "abusable" drugs were to suddenly vanish from existence over night.

You, and countless others like you would be out of a job.

Every for profit substance abuse and/or dependence treatment facility would collapse, and there's many around the country.

Methadone clinics - gone.

The private prison industry would collapse.

The public prisons would be in peril.

Massive layoffs of private and public prison guards.

Prison guard unions - "oh shit."

Alcohol and Beer companies - gone.

Tobacco giants - gone.

Pharmaceutical giants and conglomerates - huge quarterly losses.

The DEA - poof.

Asset Forfeiture - gone.

City and State Police - huge layoffs.

Police Unions - "oh shit."

Every bar in existence - bye bye.

Every cigarette-selling convenience store - huge losses.

Addiction "experts" & Addiction Medicine - useless, and eventually gone.

Basically, it would result in an economic catastrophe.

^^ This is just off the top of my head, and I'm sure there's many more examples.

The sad truth is you and your ilk need us in order to make a living. And without us, you might be flipping burgers.

The sad truth is that the war on drugs continues because too many people stand to lose a lot of money, which they make by profiting from our misery.

This is a holocaust in slow motion, and it sounds like you're happily contributing to it.

So you wish to ask me if I like complaining with respect to some of your posts?

Sweetheart, I will make it my mission on here to object to anything I take offense to from you.

So buckle in, and be prepared to deal with it - if you wish (you could put me on ignore if that's a better option).

As before, I will try to refrain from derogatory remarks, and if I do cross that line, I promise I will sincerely apologize, but I'm not gonna let you get away with some of your comments without "complaining" about them.

Far too many people are already victims of the decades of biased propaganda towards CERTAIN drugs, and I will do my best to not let others fall into that category because they decided to take your assumptions and opinions as fact.

If it sounds like I'm trying to personally attack you, well, forgive me because I'm not. It's your views and opinions which I find to be disturbing.

 

[pmoseman]

So someone using illicit drugs does not automatically make them a drug abuser. Great. Got it. You don't like the real definition, so I used drug abuse the way you would like to see it used.

So now I am talking about drug abusers and you think it means I am talking about anyone who uses illicit drugs. Make up your mind.

Your complaints are meaningless. Prison and rehab left you with a full time job, a post-secondary education, paid bills, zero debt, good credit, good long-term relationships?

Sounds rough. Someone get me a box of tissue.

 

[ro4eva]

So someone using illicit drugs does not automatically make them a drug abuser. Great. Got it. You don't like the real definition, so I used drug abuse the way you would like to see it used.

So you admit that you believe a "drug abuser" is anyone who uses illicit drugs - got it.

So now I am talking about drug abusers and you think it means I am talking about anyone who uses illicit drugs. Make up your mind.

In America, the term "drug abuse" is typically associated with the unlawful (non-prescribed) use of Schedule II to V substances, or the illicit use of Schedule I substances. This is regardless of whether the person who engaged in such activity is actually addicted to the drug in question.

It's slapped like a cheap label on anyone who doesn't prefer alcoholic beverages or tobacco/nicotine products as intoxicants, but rather, a controlled substance.

Considering your definition of a "drug abuser," it is clear you don't discriminate between addicts and occasional users of these substances. To you, they're all "drug abusers" if they partake in the consumption of illicit (controlled) substances. And it's probably one good reason why there's such resentment towards the term.

Furthermore, the term "drug abuse" is an insult to actual cases of abuse - you know, where the individual who is on the receiving end does not consent to being raped, molested, assaulted, gangbanged, robbed, tortured, and so forth.

A mind altering substance is not a living, conscious, self-aware entity. It doesn't have rights.

When I consume such a substance, there is no voice on the other end which says "I do not consent to this! This is abuse! You're so bad and evil!"

Now do you understand my problem with the term "drug abuse?" Read it over a few times if not.

Your complaints are meaningless.

Really? Is that why you even bother replying, when you have a choice not to?

No. I think you find my "complaints" to have some validity in them, otherwise you wouldn't bother spending your time writing back.

Prison and rehab left you with a full time job, a post-secondary education, paid bills, zero debt, good credit, good long-term relationships?

Haha - you think prison and rehab are the reason I got my ass through college, paid my debts on time, bla bla bla? Wow.

Prison is the reason why:
- I couldn't apply for a student loan.
- I had to spend so much time finding some meaningful employment.
- I have access to any very pure drugs I want, any time, for a price.
- I know how to avoid being taken advantage of by law enforcement.
- I could now resort to trafficking drugs if I ever want to.
- I don't trust prison guards, cops, and the justice system in general.

Indeed, I learned a lot of valuable lessons in prison. Unfortunately, all of them are a means to behavior considered felonious.

In other words, all prison taught me was to not trust law enforcement, and to be a better crook.

My prison experience is that of an actual REAL prison experience - unlike yours, which you attribute to a few nights in a county or city jail. What a joke.

As far as rehab goes, it was forced on me, but that's okay - it further served me to realize how hypocritical and money driven the system is. Plus it wasn't cheap. I could have bought a very nice car for what I had to pay for two months of stay.

Sounds rough. Someone get me a box of tissue.

Seriously?

... Oh ouch?

If I wanted some internet pity, I would have asked for it long ago.

Hate on me all you want, but if you really wanna improve the quality of life for whomever you're trying to help, perhaps you should try to adopt a harm reduction based strategy instead of one of complete abstinence.

 

[Crankinit]

When I consume such a substance, there is no voice on the other end which says "I do not consent to this! This is abuse! You're so bad and evil!"

It might be the sleep deprivation, but the mental image of little squeaks of outrage and pleas for mercy emitting from my spoon as I hold a lighter under it cracked me up

 

[pmoseman]

So you admit that you believe a "drug abuser" is anyone who uses illicit drugs - got it.

In America, the term "drug abuse" is typically associated with the unlawful (non-prescribed) use of Schedule II to V substances, or the illicit use of Schedule I substances. This is regardless of whether the person who engaged in such activity is actually addicted to the drug in question.

It's slapped like a cheap label on anyone who doesn't prefer alcoholic beverages or tobacco/nicotine products as intoxicants, but rather, a controlled substance.

Considering your definition of a "drug abuser," it is clear you don't discriminate between addicts and occasional users of these substances. To you, they're all "drug abusers" if they partake in the consumption of illicit (controlled) substances. And it's probably one good reason why there's such resentment towards the term.

Furthermore, the term "drug abuse" is an insult to actual cases of abuse - you know, where the individual who is on the receiving end does not consent to being raped, molested, assaulted, gangbanged, robbed, tortured, and so forth.

A mind altering substance is not a living, conscious, self-aware entity. It doesn't have rights.

When I consume such a substance, there is no voice on the other end which says "I do not consent to this! This is abuse! You're so bad and evil!"

Now do you understand my problem with the term "drug abuse?" Read it over a few times if not.

That is not my belief and I was not using the definition of drug abuse that you dislike, which I had picked up on from reading studies. Contrariwise, heeding your complaints and using the term to mean one who uses drugs without regard to their well-being has confused you profoundly.

Use the normal definition and stop complaining.

Really? Is that why you even bother replying, when you have a choice not to?

No. I think you find my "complaints" to have some validity in them, otherwise you wouldn't bother spending your time writing back.

That is so twisted.

Haha - you think prison and rehab are the reason I got my ass through college, paid my debts on time, bla bla bla? Wow.

Prison is the reason why:
- I couldn't apply for a student loan.
- I had to spend so much time finding some meaningful employment.
- I have access to any very pure drugs I want, any time, for a price.
- I know how to avoid being taken advantage of by law enforcement.
- I could now resort to trafficking drugs if I ever want to.
- I don't trust prison guards, cops, and the justice system in general.

Indeed, I learned a lot of valuable lessons in prison. Unfortunately, all of them are a means to behavior considered felonious.

In other words, all prison taught me was to not trust law enforcement, and to be a better crook.

My prison experience is that of an actual REAL prison experience - unlike yours, which you attribute to a few nights in a county or city jail. What a joke.

As far as rehab goes, it was forced on me, but that's okay - it further served me to realize how hypocritical and money driven the system is. Plus it wasn't cheap. I could have bought a very nice car for what I had to pay for two months of stay.



Seriously?

... Oh ouch?

If I wanted some internet pity, I would have asked for it long ago.

Hate on me all you want, but if you really wanna improve the quality of life for whomever you're trying to help, perhaps you should try to adopt a harm reduction based strategy instead of one of complete abstinence.

I see prison has literally destroyed your life.

 

[neversickanymore]

I see prison has literally destroyed your life.

And this is the benchmark of what? pmose your reasoning is so different from mine that its amazing. So its alright, as its not ruined his life utterly.. so its ok, does this thinking come from some hair brain religious thinking that all misery and increased struggle means nothing or possibly promotes entrance into some pearly gated paradise through suffering?

But just to keep this on track, I find it amazing that the root cause of all evil things, DRUGS, was not found at fault for these peoples poverty. Wonder how many other things its not to blame for?

 

[lcrlover]

Pissing in the cup is such a scam. I have to do it at my Mmt every month. I can't I.agine how much it costs to send out like hundreds of samples and they def do. BC once I smoked some rock before a surprise test and it came back for coke. I kinda figured they just did it for show lol its a Mmt. At least at mine all the counselors staff and everyone else esp the clinic dr

doest give a shit about anything. When my PCP cut me off my xanax I went to the clinic dr asking if he could detox me and he said go buy the xanax on the street lmao...seriously. I toldy new drs who gave me my old meds, they almost didn't believe me.

Many years ago I had the semi common junkie plan on joining the military and getting my life straight AMD all that shit, but the night before the army administered physicals and drug tests, I shot a huge blast of coke and raw and they said there was nothing wrong with the drug test, no way they actually tested it.

Soany ppl make so much bank off drug testing and pissing in a cup. Its insane. And basically everyone gets piss tested. I hate it, its dehumanizing lol, you, piss in this cup and we are going to analyze it for anything we want and no one can stop us mhuajahaha

So become self-employed, then You get to make up the rules at work.

 

[Shadowsblaze]

Another good post NSA. I see your homepage as this ticker type with these news articles running across the top, maybe the bottom too. We have the same stupid laws in Florida, it's a shame. Murderers and child molesters can get food and funds but druggies are restricted. Well I ate too many mushrooms today and I'm pretty sure I just ate three 350 soma's so before I can't type or walk I'll say goodnight to all of BL. See you all tomorrow, God willing.

I didn't eat the somas they were next to me but there down now. Thanks for a good night. Peace and prosperity.
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[pmoseman]

And this is the benchmark of what? pmose your reasoning is so different from mine that its amazing. So its alright, as its not ruined his life utterly.. so its ok, does this thinking come from some hair brain religious thinking that all misery and increased struggle means nothing or possibly promotes entrance into some pearly gated paradise through suffering?

But just to keep this on track, I find it amazing that the root cause of all evil things, DRUGS, was not found at fault for these peoples poverty. Wonder how many other things its not to blame for?

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