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Tell us about piperazines. (The Big 'n' Dandy Merged Piperazine Thread)

If your a massive bicky monster then you need to have a tester, the downside for people who hardly use them is the reagent liquid goes off really quickly, like in a month or two I think so for someone like me who only rolls say once every 3 months id only get to use it once before it becomes unreliable and the liquid goes off.

do you have a source for this or is this just from personal experience? I just got my test kit and it doesn't say anything about it.

i have nothing to test and have not opened any of the bottles...how long will they be good for?

maybe this should be another thread...
 
I think i may have taken some mCPP passed as ecstasy. I took 2 of them felt ok for maybe the first hour then everything went to hell after. I was paniking felt like shit, paranoid. I felt like i was going to die and hated myself for taking those damn things. Didnt puke but my stomach felt really bad entire night, hot/cold flashes and 12hrs later just feeling a little better but not by much.

I think I felt good for 1-2 hrs the most and feel terrible for the other 10hrs. Not worth it at all. I think I'm going to stop doing all drugs. ugh

btw i took the first one sublingually and after thinking about it, it did have a strange taste and numbed my tongue alot. Usually if it were mda/mdma is would just burn a bit. but these burned and left me numbed. Horrible taste
 
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why would anyone want to take a medication used to kill worms in the body to get high?

Do structurally related molecules necessarily share pharmacological activity? EG, DXM does a pretty damn different thing from levomethorphan (an opioid), yet they're but a pair of stereoisomers.

if you want an alternative to mdma, try some 2cb or mda.

These are scheduled. Some people have trouble acquiring illegal drugs with known purity. :)
 
I think i may have taken some mCPP passed as ecstasy. I took 2 of them felt ok for maybe the first hour then everything went to hell after. I was paniking felt like shit, paranoid. I felt like i was going to die and hated myself for taking those damn things. Didnt puke but my stomach felt really bad entire night, hot/cold flashes and 12hrs later just feeling a little better but not by much.

I think I felt good for 1-2 hrs the most and feel terrible for the other 10hrs. Not worth it at all. I think I'm going to stop doing all drugs. ugh

btw i took the first one sublingually and after thinking about it, it did have a strange taste and numbed my tongue alot. Usually if it were mda/mdma is would just burn a bit. but these burned and left me numbed. Horrible taste

sounds exactly like what i had on friday

crystalline powder with a nasty taste and slight numbing effect
 
hope this doesn't break any rules...........


so i got some yellow transformers and some orange transformers a while back (both round pills stamped with a transformers face). i can't find the exact description on pillreports, but what i did find sounds like their pipes.

don't want to take them really if they are. any input?
 
For future reference, this particular sub-forum is not for the identification of unknown pills.
When in doubt, please do not take them.
 
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Interesting info; not surprising. How long have animal physiology labs been using McPP for such a purpose.

I don't know if it's universal, but I have heard of it being used for similar research purposes. Personally, I don't like the idea of it showing up in pills. I pretty much stay away from anything pressed without a testing kit of which I am currently without. I think that there are MANY more chems worth while with far fewer possible side effects.
 
I've been a heavy ecstasy user,using almost everyweekend for two years. I think the pills I used to get did turn or get contaminated with pipes(green butterflys) I didn't give my body enough time to recover , so when I did the pipes I thought I was gonna die and I built up my tolerance to much
 
why is it that some poeple are fine with them and others (like me) have possibly the worst fucking comedown of their lives? is it that poeple are getting different amounts of piperazine? or do peoples bodies react differently ?
 
New here, thought I would participate.

In general, I have only had one really "bad" night on piperazines, but I think my fun has more to do with set and setting than the actual drug. If I'm convinced I'm going to have a good time, I will have a good time, even if I feel like I'm going to die in the morning.

BZP, like many have said before, is very stimulant-like. Come-up takes about an hour for me, but it doesn't creep up--it kind of smacks me all at once. I didn't really get a "euphoria" from it, I just couldn't sit still or keep focused on anything for more than a few seconds. I felt like talking, but everything that came out of my mouth made absolutely no sense, and I would confuse myself. The effects do come in waves of intensity, where a few minutes it's REALLY intense, and then it's not-so-intense but you still know you're under the influence of something (sort of like MDMA, I guess... I haven't really taken any other amphetamines before, so I'm not sure what to compare it to.) I think, honestly, that's the only way to compare it to "rolling", but again... that may just be me. Other than that, I don't see any similarity between MDMA and BZP.

The comedown is pretty harsh. Sleep is out of the question and the dry-mouth makes eating impossible (and that's assuming you have any appetite!) These go away about 24 hours after taking the drug for me, and when I'm finally able to sleep, I have to fight for it. I feel really stupid for days after taking it. Short term-memory problems persist for about a week. I also get really paranoid, but that could also just be from sleep deprivation.

Then again... two of the people I took BZP with had no problems sleeping or eating. They actually passed out 6 hours after taking it. They did smoke a lot of weed and drink a lot of alcohol throughout the night, though.

mCPP is a lot more "trippy", but not really in the classic psychedelic sense. It's a really CREEPY trip, that's the only way I can describe it. Everything you see/hear/experience has a very eerie vibe. I get mild hallucinations, some auditory hallucinations (although, I have these while sober.) My mind goes in a million directions when I'm on it, but not in the speedy way that BZP produces. Music is... I don't know. Weird. Interesting, but not always enjoyable. It definitely doesn't sound "right". The last time I had this, I was listening to a song, and my friend turned on a strobe light. The music started skipping in sync with the strobing... it was kind of cool, but at the time, it was creepy to me.

The come-up is about 45 minutes to an hour for me. This one sneaks up on me. I'll think I'm sober still, and then I'll go to do a simple task, and my mind sslloowwllyy wanders off... then I snap back to reality for a moment and realize that it's kicking in. It's really harsh on my stomach, so I have to force myself to not throw up. Like people have said, it does make a lot of people violently ill.

In my experience, mCPP has a weird body buzz that comes and goes in waves (again, this is probably where the uninformed confuse it with MDMA.) The body buzz isn't always pleasant, though. Sometimes it can feel almost like an orgasm, but the very next wave feels like pins and needles.

Another peculiar thing about mCPP: taste. During one of the body buzz waves, things taste pretty normal (drinks, candy, etc.) When you're not in the middle of one of those, EVERYTHING tastes like salt. Just salt. Nothing tastes sweet, sour... JUST SALT. Again... kind of creepy.

The come-down is a bit harsh, but not as bad as BZP. Sleep is really difficult for me, but my best friend has no problem. My mind becomes really suspicious of itself. I get extremely anxious and paranoid, and I get confused really easily. I feel like I'm still tripping, but I'm not. It's sort of similar to a freak-out from smoking too much weed. This feeling subsides over the course of a week. It also dehydrates the hell out of me. Even if I drink water and gatorade all night, I always feel like I need an IV saline drip in the morning.

The only time I had a bad night on a piperazine was from mCPP, but the reason for it was the conversation my friends and I were having at the time turned very inappropriate, and it really scared the hell out of me. I don't even know how it began, but in my head, I was convinced for a few moments that my best friend had molested my daughter (yeah... talk about a bad trip.) I couldn't shake that feeling and I spent the rest of the night scared for my daughter's life and mine.

mCPP takes me to a really dark, disturbing place. Except for the above, I'm a perverse enough individual that I kind of enjoy that place. Of course, nothing beats the best substance ever created by humans: MDMA <3 .
 
anthenewbie - totally got a ruff come down on some hammers and spanners once. was horrrirbble

we dont like pipes!!! if you buy pills, or are thinking about it, have a search on pill reports first to save yourself the disappointment, youll be suprised about how many people dotn know what theyr talking about (probably including myself :D) but there are loads of people with testing kits on there who knowwwww

buzzzz xxx
 
Pipes and Anxiety

I've seen numerous comments from people that have taken pipes saying that they have had anxiety attacks while on pipes.

I have personally have had 1 experience with pipes....here recently when i decided to come out of my 5+ year X free era. I did have anxiety attacks while on pipes and it sucked. Anxiety attacks are hella freakish. Some are different, but mine were anxiety of the fear of dieing. Like...OHH FUCK THESE ARE GONNA KILL ME!! Anxiety attacks have a huge array of symptoms aside from the crappy symptoms of pipes. When it really kicks in is where you think you are going to die. You get this wierd fuzzy imma die feeling.... Fuck it was wierd, but you know you arent gonna.

But all in all i was just pretty fucked up. If i decide to do E again it WILL be tested.

It was a very bad experience...the high was crap and the come down sucked. But it seems to me that a lot of people experience anxiety attacks on pipes. Anyone else?
 
I actually had no anxiety the entire time I was on it. When I got to about the 5-6 hour part and shit started to morph instead of getting anxious I just thought "fuck I need to get a tester this shit is not e". To show you how shit pipe is even without a anxiety attack I still hated it and had a terrible headache the next day
 
I actually had no anxiety the entire time I was on it. When I got to about the 5-6 hour part and shit started to morph instead of getting anxious I just thought "fuck I need to get a tester this shit is not e". To show you how shit pipe is even without a anxiety attack I still hated it and had a terrible headache the next day

Lmao. It was horrible man.

I knew it was an anxiety attack, but it sucked. I was sick for a couple of days, but i suspect that to be anxiety symptoms also. I will never take an untested pill again.
 
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