Teenage brains and the harm of cannabis

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Carolyn Moynihan
Friday, 27 November 2009
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Is the outlawing of marijuana driving people to drink and a fate worse than getting stoned? That is the claim of one liberal pundit following a recent high-level row in Britain over the legal status of the drug that the British always call cannabis.

It started last year when the government, responding to public concern over links between high-strength cannabis, or “skunk”, upgraded the classification of cannabis from Class C to Class B -- reversing what it had done only four years previously. The move went against the recommendation of the official Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which was also thwarted in its view that ecstasy should be downgraded from Class A to Class B.

This annoyed council chairman Professor David Nutt so much that in July this year he gave a public lecture, and last month published a paper, in which he accused ministers of devaluing scientific research and maintaining an “artificial” separation of alcohol and tobacco from illegal drugs.

The government, understandably, did not take kindly to having its tough line on drugs sabotaged by its own advisory body (which, incidentally, has up to 40 members and must cost a pretty penny to run) so it sacked Professor Nutt. He was followed out the door by several colleagues who resigned in sympathy.

But is the professor -- a scientist, after all (a neuropsychopharmacologist to be exact) -- right and are the politicians wrong? Are we making too much fuss over relatively harmless drugs and not paying nearly enough attention to the demon drink and that common weed, tobacco?

One expert who has absolutely no time for this argument is New Zealand drug counsellor and educator Trevor Grice. “It’s true that alcohol abuse is bad and needs attention, but let’s not argue about which is worse,” he says. “They both have catastrophic effects on teenagers.”

Grice can tell you a lot about the ways in which alcohol, cannabis and other recreational drugs do their destructive work in the developing adolescent brain: how they are metabolised, which neurotransmitters they deplete, which brain sites they affect and what their acute and long-term side effects are. He has co-written a popular book about it, The Great Brain Robbery, for the information of teenagers, their parents and anyone else who cares.

He could even tell you that, dose for dose, cannabis is more harmful than alcohol because alcohol is metabolised more quickly than cannabis, although both pass through the body of an adolescent more slowly than in an adult. Cannabis, especially in today’s more potent forms, suppresses the short-term memory and makes kids unable to learn or act purposefully. “They are locked in chemical handcuffs.” If they persist in regular use they may wind up schizophrenic.

What Grice really wants to talk about, then, is the kids themselves, and saving them from chemical damage as they enter adolescence. “From the day a girl or boy enters puberty they have a seven-year journey of manufacturing the neurochemistry for adult life. Any interference during those years is a disaster. I know, because I am dealing with 29- and 35-year-olds who are still emotionally 17.”

So the message has to be a strong one, he says: “Don’t do it,” from parents, teachers and the law.

Harm minimisation

But doesn’t Professor Nutt care about teenagers too? Yes he does. And he knows the neuroscience; in fact, he specialises in research on drugs and addiction. But his approach is a little different. In his briefing paper he said: “We have to accept that young people like to experiment -- with drugs and other potentially harmful activities -- and what we should be doing in all this is to protect them from harm at this stage of their lives.

“We therefore have to provide more accurate and credible information. If you think that scaring kids will stop them using, you are probably wrong.”

Well, it’s true. Kids today are not easy to scare, and we should never tell them lies. But there are ways and ways of telling them the truth, and Grice maintains that Nutt’s way, which he calls “harm minimisation”, gives a mixed message and masks the truth.

“They’ve been following this approach in the UK for more than 20 years. It’s behind the free needles for addicts and methadone maintenance programmes, which cause huge problems -- basically, the government is providing the means to keep the drug trade going.”

New Zealand, which, according to Grice, has just replaced Jamaica as having the highest per capita consumption of cannabis, has followed much the same route, he says. He cites a district health board that has just released a harm minimisation brochure advising kids not to sniff a substance like nitrous oxide (laughing gas) straight out of the can, but to use a balloon, and to make sure they are lying down in a well-ventilated area so as not to fall on the concrete… “It’s written by people from the social sciences who think they are teaching children how to use dangerous substances safely.”

As if they would. In the field of sex eduction, this ideology has given the UK the highest teenage pregnancy rates and abortion rates in the whole of Europe -- nearly 222,000 and 48,150 respectively in 2007.

The schools go along with this sort of thing, says Grice, with the result that parents are disenfranchised. “The school can counsel them about drugs, or even arrange for a girl to have an abortion, and the parents are not allowed to know.”

The clash of studies

Yet it is not only strategy that is debated -- prevention versus harm minimisation. The truth about how much actual harm cannabis does is also contested thanks to conflicting research on virtually every problem linked with the drug. These include cognitive impairment, car crashes, respiratory diseases, depression, suicide, psychosis and use of other illicit drugs. The very idea that the drug has become more potent is disputed.

Professor Nutt contends that there is a very small risk of cannabis causing psychotic illness and he puts last year’s reclassification down to a “skunk scare”. He says skunk has been widely used for about 10 years but there has been no upswing in schizophrenia. To quote the BBC: “He accepts that cannabis can sometimes cause mental illness, but argues that it is safer than tobacco and alcohol and, overall, does not lead to major health problems.”

You might come to the same conclusion about the “overall” harm of the drug from reading a recent Lancet article, “Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use”, based on a review of the research. It summarises the effects thus:

“The most probable adverse psychosocial effect in adolescents who become regular users is impaired educational attainment. Adolescent regular cannabis users are more likely to use other illicit drugs, although the explanation of this association remains contested. Regular cannabis use in adolescence might also adversely affect mental health in young adults, with the strongest evidence for an increased risk of psychotic symptoms and disorders.”

But the study then concludes:

“The public health burden of cannabis use is probably modest compared with that of alcohol, tobacco, and other illicit drugs. A recent Australian study estimated that cannabis use caused 0•2% of total disease burden in Australia—a country with one of the highest reported rates of cannabis use. Cannabis accounted for 10% of the burden attributable to all illicit drugs (including heroin, cocaine, and amphetamines). It also accounted for around 10% of the proportion of disease burden attributed to alcohol (2•3%), but only 2•5% of that attributable to tobacco (7•8%).”

Only 0.2 per cent of the total disease burden in a high-usage country? What on earth are we worrying about?

But what looks modest (“not much to worry about”) from a lofty public health perspective, looks much more significant in light of the fact that cannabis is predominantly a young person’s drug and often the first, the gateway to more harmful drugs and habits. There is also its overlap with other drugs -- by suppressing the vomiting command in the brain, for example, it allows much more serious binge drinking -- and with general crime. A case in a New Zealand court this week concerns the death of 14-year-old cannabis courier.

Naturally, the boy was from the wrong side of town, as drug offenders and addicts often are. Obviously there is a huge social problem to be addressed in such urban ghettos, but does the harm minimisation school really believe their rationalistic approach (“take precautions”) will help these kids?

Trevor Grice says it all comes back to one question: “Who cares?”

A society that cares, he suggests, will have strong anti-drug messages coming from parents, schools and the law. That’s how Sweden has done it, he notes. It will have proper testing of all the so-called recreational drugs. It will sack the army of civil servants engaged in harm minimisation exercises and appoint in their place a drug czar and drug courts geared to treatment and rehabilitation -- in treatment centres built to replace the ones that have been closed.

As for the harm minimisers, Grice says: “They can change the classifications if they like, but the chemistry of the drugs will never be altered by their legal status. They can legalise the drug market and tax it, if they want, but we are still going to deal with what the drugs actually do to people.”

And in the case of cannabis, it’s no small amount of harm.

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/teenage_brains_and_the_harm_of_cannabis/
 
"He could even tell you that, dose for dose, cannabis is more harmful than alcohol because alcohol is metabolised more quickly than cannabis "

WTF? The speed with which the body removes some chemical isn't the only factor in how harmful it is. It is a small factor. LSD is metabolized much more rapidly than alcohol - does that mean he believes that LSD is safer than alcohol?

" “They are locked in chemical handcuffs.” If they persist in regular use they may wind up schizophrenic."
Same old scare tactics. "Locked in chemical handcuffs." LOL What about caffeine, which is actually really addictive? Are coffee and tea drinkers "Locked in chemical handcuffs"?

This is ridiculous.
Stop trying to be my babysitter.
Allow me to life my life the way I want to live.
If I want to take chemicals that take a while to metabolize, your job is to go back to examining your navel and pretending you are doing scientific research.
Leave me alone, sucker!
 
"If they persist in regular use they may wind up schizophrenic."



Oh yeah because not remembering things that happened a few minutes ago and thinking it's fucking hilarious, could drive you to COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING INSANITY!!! YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE!!!

My best friend's dad has been smoking pot since he was nine years old. He's sixty now, smokes pot every single day. Guess what? HE'S FINE!!! He's got a steady job, he's always laughing and happy, he's good with people, he's good at being social, he's a bit of an asshole but in a very friendly way, if you can picture that.

My friend Nathan, he smokes pot, we smoked in his bathroom, and then suddenly his dad came home and I freaked out. Then I realized he wasn't freaking out. Turns out we were smoking from his dad's pipe. Been smoking since he was 16, like the rest of us. He comes in, all happy and prancey, shouting "I BOUGHT BURRITOS!!" and "YOU GUYS ARE STONED OUT OF YOUR MINDS!! HAVE BURRITO IT'S DELICIOUS!!!"

oh no, sounds like somebody needs REHAB!!!


this is fucking stupid. the people who say this shit are the people who have never tried pot, but assume they KNOW that it's dangerous, because it's a DRUG!! and drugs are ALL BAD!!! and i bet you, if you open up their medicine cabinets, you'll find vicodin, ambien, flexeril, xanax, seroquel, all of that fucking shit. why does our world have to be like this? why are we being run by idiot hypocrite know-nothings???
 
Cannabis, especially in today’s more potent forms, suppresses the short-term memory and makes kids unable to learn or act purposefully. “They are locked in chemical handcuffs.” If they persist in regular use they may wind up schizophrenic.

Step 1: Smoke cannabis.
Step 2: Possible short-term memory impairment for duration of drug's effects
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Schizophrenia
 
Everyones always got a story about someone who has smoked pot ever day (or drunk booze or smoked ciggs or what ever) and are fine. They seem to be living in willful ignorance that everyone is different and im sure there are plently of people out there who have stories about friends who have been adversly effected by grass.

Mr Nutt is correct though, the government never listens to science when it doesn't fit in with their politics.
 
Some people actually do get their brains fucked from smoking weed heavily from an early age, I've seen it happen to a friend of mine. People predisposed to mental illness (anxiety/depression) can often have these symptoms exacerbated significantly from heavy weed smoking.

I agree the schizophrenia argument is pointless as it is so incredible rare and it only occurs in people who were most likely already predisposed to the illness.

But heavy use (daily) of weed can certainly lead to increased social anxiety and possibly depression. If your new to smoking weed you won't notice such effects until you've been a heavy user for several years, then you may notice changes to your mental health.

IMO you shouldn't smoke weed until your atleast 18, even though I started when I was 15 which I regret. They've done studies showing that early exposure to weed before the age of 13 - 14 will have a negative impact on your mental development, but they found people who started smoking around the age of 18, that it had very little negative impact.

Heavy marijuana use is no good at all for a developing brain. I believe strongly it should be legalised and sold like alcohol is to only people of the appropriate age. Weed is simply a phone call away, whereas it requires effort to buy alcohol when underaged (fake IDs, finding a person of age to buy it for you etc).

Don't get me wrong though, I love weed and smoke it near daily. But don't be under the impression that it is harmless.
 
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I'll never believe this bullshit, I started smoking at 15, 16 now, I never noticed any negative effects at all, I used to get better grades when I would smoke almost daily, not saying it made me smart, but I was definately more relaxed and able to think clearly.
 
This article is so full of shit, for starters I don't see what how quick the brain metabolises a drug has to do with anything and maybe smoking a little weed takes longer than getting tipsy but many people have a tendency to go on benders with alcohol that last a long time.

Also its pretty stupid to look at classifying a drug based solely on how it effects adolescents, so adults should face higher penalties because it is worse for kids? How does that make sense, not to mention the fact that if you are smoking dope the legal status is obviously NOT an issue to you and therefore whether it is class B or class C has no bearing on usage just the penalty if you are caught.

It is a joke to say cannabis allows you to drink more because it alleviates nausea, it also increases the sedation of alcohol significantly making you more likely to pass out. I know MANY people including myself that smoking weed while pissed has had the opposite effect. It definately has anti nauseating properties and is great for a hangover but I don't think these effects extend to binge drinking.

The biggest hole in picking on what drugs do to the young brain is the fact that if it were legal there would be age restrictions and many kids would have a harder time obtaining these substances. In highschool it was always alot easier for me to get bud than alcohol.

This article is so full of scare propaganda and the argument has absolutely no logic to it anyway. Trevor Grice is clearly a fucking moron.
 
Roflmao

Wtf are they writing ?!
"by suppressing the vomiting command in the brain, for example, it allows much more serious binge drinking -- and with general crime" ARE U KIDDING ME?! if u smoke and drink weed at the same time you wont be able to drink as much as you would otherwise or smoke as much as you would!
I havent read any scientific studies anout this but from personal use ive discovered that ethanoland thx boosts each other wich leads to less consumption of both substances.
Thc also seems protects the brain from alcohols effects (cell damage) by protecting the white matter or substance(not sure of the english word)....WHATEVER heres the link: http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=630296
 
^ So true, and I forgot about that study indicating cannabis actually protected the brain from some of alcohols neurotoxicity which is yet another thing that smashes some of the bullshit in that article. This "drug expert" doesn't seem to know a fucking thing other than the general propaganda you are fed in highschool.

Welcome to bluelight buddy. :)
 
When I smoke weed I'm much more content to just drink a few beers, whereas if I'm sober I'll drink alot more to be satisfied. Smoking weed makes me drink less if anything.
 
I'm 17 . I regret smoking weed so early .

My learning capabilitiies have gone down the drain , and I'm now pretty paranoid .
I would reccomend people try it at an later age .... Maybe 18.19?
 
^ I started on cannabis very young and abused it heavily for years. I regret it alot and I think it fucked me up in a good few ways. The thing is that nothing outlined in this article is a solution to adolescents smoking pot. If you don't care if its illegal you don't care if its class B or C, the only difference is how much negative impact the legal implications have on their life aswell as the negative implications of their cannabis use. If it was legal and regulated kids would have a harder time getting cannabis I think.
 
Some people actually do get their brains fucked from smoking weed heavily from an early age, I've seen it happen to a friend of mine. People predisposed to mental illness (anxiety/depression) can often have these symptoms exacerbated significantly from heavy weed smoking.


If they were predisposed to mental illness... and you saw them develop mental illness... exactly what proof do you have that weed had anything to do with it?
 
Yeah smoking is good for people over 21 .

Most people who try it under that age don't know alot about it until they have actually been smoking then u notice the effecs

but mind you I have friends who smoke everyday. . They seem like real fun people ,, not to mention their high grades
 
If they were predisposed to mental illness... and you saw them develop mental illness... exactly what proof do you have that weed had anything to do with it?

I suppose I don't have any 'proof', just going on what they've told me and what I've observed. I think what it really does is mask underlying illnesses, so because your smoking weed all day, everyday you don't notice that your actually depressed/overly anxious or whatever then when you stop or take a break, the rebound effects seem much worse, I don't know though. Don't take my post the wrong way, I'm all for legalisation of weed and love it as a drug. But I just don't think it's the best thing to be using heavily during your school years. Key word there being heavily.

I regret becoming a massive stoner during my last few years of high school because it made me care alot less about school or my future or anything, I just liked getting high all the time. I was immature and didn't grasp what I was doing. I don't blame weed though, I blame myself obviously. But having said all that, most, if not all negative effects I've developed from smoking heaps of weed daily for a long time can be reversed if I just stop smoking for a while, just a week or two even, this doesn't include missed oppurtunities due to sitting on the couch all day stoned though. I started when I was 15, it may be different for someone who took it up at 12-13.
 
You say you were a massive stoner during your last few years of high school.. but since you never had the experience of your last few years of high school sober, you're in no position to be making comparisons. It's illogical to try to learn something about the world based on your own perceptions after the fact. Your personal story about how things played out is bound to be inaccurate.
 
Everyones always got a story about someone who has smoked pot ever day (or drunk booze or smoked ciggs or what ever) and are fine. They seem to be living in willful ignorance that everyone is different and im sure there are plently of people out there who have stories about friends who have been adversly effected by grass.

This. I always laugh when I see how fanatically people try to defend Cannabis as practically harmless when this issue is brought up.
 
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