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Tapering with bupe, need help now!!

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GarageFlower

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Hi all.

Up untill around 7-8 weeks ago I was on methadone maintenance and had got down from 70mg/day to 40mg/day.

A few things happened and I ended up having to move out and this messed with my script and I was missing appointments and pick up's due to other stuff that was happening.

I ended up unscripted and weaned myself off the 40mg/day methadone down to 1 bag/day of H which I am currently maintaining.

I saw the doctor and told him as I had all the methadone out of my system that I didn't want to go back onto it and would try bupe.

He gave me 4 x 2mg tablets with the instructions: Take one as late as possible, one an hour later and two before bed

Then the next day to start 2 x 8mg supervised.

That seems to me a high dose for just 1 bag a day? I don't want to end up stuck on a Bupe script like I was methadone.

My question is if I have my last bag today, will the 4 x 2mg tablets be enough to wean me off insufflated as late as possible and what would you suggest I do?

If I was to pick my script up then I would precipitate withdrawl as I would have to get it in the next couple of hours and it hasn't been long since I used.

Seems excessive to go from one bag a day to 16mg bupe a day for 'x' ammount of time.

What would you suggest?

My use now is the lowest it's been for a long time and Im so glad to not be tied to methadone any more, and I dunno seems excessive to go to a 16mg a day bupe script from just a bag a day, should I just suck it up and do my H rattle whilst Im on a low dose of opi's.

My heads in 2 places!
 
I thought 16mg seemed high for my current habit, it would seem stupid to go from 1 bag a day up to a 16mg a day bupe habit which I would then have to taper down from again when my habits the lowest it's been now for years!

Like I said I have 4 2mg Subutex tablets and after today I'm just gunna use those to wean myself off the 1 bag/day.

I will get kicked off treatment for not picking up but I refuse to take a dose 8x more than the amount I actually need...I want my habit coming down not going up, just because it's prescribed doesn't mean I want to be taking a load of it!
 
What would be the best way to go about using them to their full advantage then?

I will use my last bag later on today.

Then should I just leave it 24-36 hours till I'm feeling rough as shit then just insuflate as needed till gone?
 
Yeah that is a mental dose. I was mainlining 5-6 bags a day and I was on 24mg so 16mg seems a bit much.

Incidentally that never really gave me a full 24 hours comfort.

If you're going to be on supervised you might as well just go sublingual and use them as intended. Waiting 24 hours should be more than enough, just make sure you're feeling pretty rough before you take it.
 
The stupidity of some of these clinics is mind blowing at times.. It was a major factor in my decision to leave the services and go it alone..

16 mg is way over the top for that kind of habit. The first day is always rotten no matter what the dose ime.

I'd go with what 5 star suggested, maybe 4mg for a couple of days and when you halve it you'll barely notice it due to that handy half life it's got.

Are you detoxing or going for maintenance on the Subs?

Rapid tapers with subs are pretty easy in the scheme of it really.
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I had a small habit, 2 bags a day.. Here's what I did..

Day 1 - 6mg
Day 2 - 4mg
Day 3 - nothing
Day 4 - 2mg
Day 5 - 2mg
Day 6 - Nothing
Day 7 - 1 mg
Day 8 - 1 mg
Day 9 - 1 mg

Day 10 - jumped off

Don't get me wrong, I'm ill from it and it wasn't and still isn't very pleasant, however I still got myself to work every day. All throughout I'd be occasionally using diazs and ketamine just to soften it a little..

I slipped up a few days back so that set me back a little but I'm getting there, not long to go go. I'm going to use the handful of lofexidine over the next few days and I'm hoping that'll be the worst over with. Then it's just a month or so of lethargicness and misery and ill be golden.. =D

Good luck anyways mate ;)
 
the days u used nothing scotch u must of felt like shit and had no sleep, subbies just dont do it 4 me i still feel rough, althoigh it may be phsychological i swear i still felt like shit
 
Honestly it wasn't that bad, when I say not bad, obviously I felt pretty shit but it's to be expected. When I say nothing I just meant no subs, I was taking diaz and ketamine pretty much throughout, forced a few beers down me and id get a couple of hours of broken sweaty sleep if I was lucky. Sleep was had albeit virtually pointless and restless. Im suffering with my sleep more now than last week.

I dont know if its due to my small habit or the quality of the gear not being what it was although ive being getting decent gear its still not what it was..

Previous rattles in a time when you couldnt move for plentiful, cheap, quality smack were horrendous and theres no way id of done what I have done.. I dunno??? I didnt really plan it at all, I just started of with the 6mg and just played it by ear by how I was feeling and seeing what bare minimum I could get away with.

As I said the half life of subs is massive so they go a long way, 36 hours iirc, if you were to take an 8mg monday morning, come Tuesday morning when you have your next 8mg you will still have 5/6mg of Mondays dose so now you'd definitely have 10mg+ in your system.

Ive got off lightly and im fuckin grateful... My first detox I was using and 1/8th every 3 to 4 days, that wasnt fun I tell thee, and that was done over 3 weeks starting on 24mg..
 
how u doing 2day owen, i wouldnt wanna be in your shoes today. 24 cut offs a big 1 id be swinging upside down o the ceiling. i remember bringing WDS on from taking subs too soon. Not nice took about 3 bags to feel ok again, remember walkin to score feeling like i was gonna faint, no energy, the achiest legs ive ever had, then a massive boot in some random bogs must of stunk after a very rapid, big smoke. Good times eh. ohh the memorys
 
I cut off from 24mg almost a month ago, just pulled through the other side of the acutes.

I was armed with pretty much everything you could want in terms of meds to pull you through something like that. It wasn't nice but it wasn't too bad either. The first fortnight was easier than expected, the second fortnight more difficult than expected.

I've been using sleep meds pretty heavily in the evening though, I need to deal with that issue in the next couple of days otherwise I'm going to have to come clean to my drug worker.
 
at leasr your through it now so u planning on staying opi free then i take it, good luck hope u manage it, an i hope 1 day ill b ready to do the same
 
I used a few of the 2mg ones but they made me feel like shit even though I waited over 24 hours after my last dose of H, I've only been IV'ing a bag a day as-well so it's not like there's loads in my system....It made me ill as fuck anyway. I was already in WD but these made me feel even worse. They really didn't seem to agree with me.

I didn't end up going to the chemist to pick up and start the 16mg script, really don't want to take the stuff again because of how bad and dirty it made me feel.

I'm on probation and I'm on a DRR (Drug Rehabilitation Requirement) which requires me to be in treatment so I'm back at CDT today to try and get back onto my methadone script, I will be able to get by on just 30mg I'm sure as I've only been IV'ing one bag a day, albeit of good H, but I feel so rough on days when I don't use and I can't afford to keep using a bag a day anyway so I hope to get back onto a script today.

Subutex just really didn't seem to work for me, I waited for more than long enough to take them and they just made me withdraw more than I already was withdrawing.

Anyone else they don't agree with??
 
Like any med really, some just dont agree with folk..

Ive a few mates who've reacted badly to Subs and had to switch to DF's for detoxs..

They work really well for me so I find tapering off them fairly painless. Good luck anyways, hope the 'done works
 
Thanks pal, yeah they just really didn't agree with me.

Managed to get back onto my methadone script. Just sticking at 40mg which isn't much on the grand scale of things, just gunna stabalise for a while as I'm in a bit of a pickle at the moment with a few things including my housing situation as I've been evicted from the hostel I was staying in as I was in rent arrears with them and I'm now homeless. I've got a good bidding number for the housing register so I should be able to get a flat in a couple of weeks but it's just what to do until then.

But at least I've got my script and I don't have to worry about where I'm going to get money from in order to not be rough.
 
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