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Harm Reduction Tapering Plan Mega thread - community project

sublime143 said:
Hey I have been a long time lurker here and love this website. I have been using between 40-60mg OC daily for the past four weeks.

I plan on stopping this week and was wondering if anyone could really give me insight on the best way to face w/d.

I know I am not using nearly as much as some people here but was wondering if it would be best to taper down or just go CT. If anyone could give me some insight on how bad it will be or even hopefully how bad it won't be compared to others experience it would be greatly appreciated.

Also if anyone has any ideas on how long it will take me to get past the worst parts of it and start feeling better I would be very thankful.

Thanks :)
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Your w/d will be very minimal IMO. The best way to handle this would be to wait about 24-30 hours after your last dose and see how you feel. If you don't think its too bad , then you don't need to taper. You can get some loperamide hcl (Immodium AD) from CVS which will stop any diarreah. However, if you don't feel well enough to handle w/e obligations you have (school, work, etc) I would reccommend taking 5mg when you start to feel like shit. I think 5 should def. hold you but if not, i woudlnt take any more than 10 mg. I would just take 5mg the first 4-6 days when you feel crappy, and then maybe try to take 2.5 or w/e the denomination is of the pills you have. TBH, you will probably be fine w/o it.

I think the best advice is to stay VERY active and try not to think about it.
 
^agreed with these 2 guys. you don't have a huge habit and haven't been using very long at all - your wd will be minimal, just a little uncomfortable for a few days most likely. grab a few OTC aides, a heap of movies, box of tissues (and porn), the necessary food and fluids and ride it out best as possible, the worst will be over in no time.
 
sublime143 said:
Hey I have been a long time lurker here and love this website. I have been using between 40-60mg OC daily for the past four weeks.

I plan on stopping this week and was wondering if anyone could really give me insight on the best way to face w/d.

I know I am not using nearly as much as some people here but was wondering if it would be best to taper down or just go CT. If anyone could give me some insight on how bad it will be or even hopefully how bad it won't be compared to others experience it would be greatly appreciated.

Also if anyone has any ideas on how long it will take me to get past the worst parts of it and start feeling better I would be very thankful.

Thanks :)
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well you'll definitely feel like shit my friend. what i did during peak wd from poppy pods was hit the gym. i was on the elliptical ski machine for almost 2 hours. i had someone drive me there and i was shaking, shitting, and sweating. it did wonders for me. from personal experience exercise (esp cardio) is the best thing for wd. other than that, it's the usual man...

antihistamines for sleep/sweating, loperamide for the shits/stomach cramps, NSAIDs (ibuprofen) for other pain, you could even add tylenol.

now, as far as my tapering goes, i have switched to clonazepam. i find this much more manageable for some reason. i think it has to do with valiums handful of active metabolites, where as clonazepam has none.

during valium taper i would wake up anxious, sweaty, etc. i am not experiencing this with clonazepam taper. the only major side effect is insomnia. i'd rather have shitty sleep than good sleep but waking up anxious as hell. i'm doing skip days with clonazepam now, 2mg every other day.

valium wd for some reason produced such a god awful, gut wrenching anxiety in the morning. depression, too. klonopin is just easier for my body to handle i suppose, though i believe a lot has to do with the number of active metabolites im actually withdrawing from.
 
RFar98 said:
I think the best advice is to stay VERY active and try not to think about it.
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This is huge for tapering. The problem is who wants to do anything when they feel the worst that they ever have...

I know I just posted this but hitting the ski machines at your local gym will do a hell of a lot more than all those OTC meds and jerkin off for hours. You know, the elliptical things, whatever they're called. GYM GYM GYM.

Great for everything from opiate taper, quitting benzos, hangovers...

Beats any other remedy for me hands down. Crank up the ipod and sweat that shit out.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. I figured I should nip this in the butt before it became too big of an issue. I see the potential grasps it can have on a person and it is pretty damn scary.

My only other question is what is a rough estimate of when the worse parts will be over? I heard like day 3 or 4?

Thanks again for all the help.
 
Best way to detox

If possible I would like to stay away from any kind of program. Is there anyway I could just talk to a doctor and explain my situation? or Do I have to go to a clinic? I entered a Detox program awhile back and they didn't do anything that I couldn't of done at home. Other than keep me confined..

-detoxing from 3, 4mg Hydromorphone dailly.
 
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2 8mg pills should do it. Also, they're sublingual which means it has to stay under your toungue until it's dissolved. You have to wait at least 24 hours after your last opiate use or you'll be thrown into precipitated withdrawal which is absolute hell. Totally worse than the normal withdrawal.
 
Dosing schedule:

After you start to feel crappy. (24 -48 hours afte last opiate)

Day 1: 2mg Suboxone under the tongue in the AM. Another 2mg seometime in the PM, but try not to.

Day 2: Repeat Day 1 instructions.

Day 3: 1mg Suboxone under the tongue in the AM. Another 1mg seometime in the PM, but try not to.

Day 4: Repeat Day 3 instructions..

Day 5: If you really feel like you need more, use 0.5mg in the AM. If you need more later that night, try not to, but another 0.5.

After that, don't take anymore, otherwise it's possible if you kept taking it for a few days, you would withdral from Suboxone and I hear that is miserable. If you use it for those 5 days and stop, you'll be alright!! I'm cheerin' ya' on!!
 
Chim721 said:
2 8mg pills should do it. Also, they're sublingual which means it has to stay under your toungue until it's dissolved. You have to wait at least 24 hours after your last opiate use or you'll be thrown into precipitated withdrawal which is absolute hell. Totally worse than the normal withdrawal.
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You do not have to wait 24 hours, or even be in withdrawal. Personally I've gone from dope to bupe plenty of times, sometimes just 6-8 hours after, and I've always been fine.

I never go into withdrawals as soon as my jam wore off, always takes a while, but as soon as the drug isn't binding, you'll be fine and won't experience any withdrawals.

You certainly could go to a Dr, explain your situation, and perhaps just get a bunch of scripts to manage the withdrawals. High dosage of nsaids, anti-direaeh, sleeping pills. I've had two primary care Dr's know I was a user, and in and out of withdrawals, and I was prescibed a whole bunch of pills, even benzo's both times. Some people will say you don't get benzos, but it depends on the Dr. I've always had great results with my Dr's, always been honest.
 
If possible I would like to stay away from any kind of program.
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All the advise of the posters about sub will have to be done on a doctors order/rx. So, if you dont want to 'get in a program' you will need alternative methods. There are alot of threads covering this subject, including how to taper- utse and Good Luck.
 
I had a 96mg a day dilaudid habit, the first doctor of course threw me on methadone, awful stuff. I got a new doctor and he told me methadone is garbage and put me on hydromorph contin. I no longer need to chew pills all day, juts one in the morning and one at night. I felt shitty at first but adjusted well, now my doctor retired and this new jerk wants to put me on methadone. What should I do? I am a pain patient who is addicted to narcs. Methadone dosen't aleviate my pain. It just gives me stomach pain, makes me see things out of the corner of my eyes, and severe headaches. I think my only answer is a new doctor.

I take one 24mg hydromorph contin in the morning, and another in 12 hours, it stops my pain (somewhat) and keeps me very level. This new doctor reduced my dose to 18mg, and added 50mg of methadone. Im already having bad side effects at only 50mg..........
and eventually there will be nio hydromorph and only methadone.....
 
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^ Find a new doctor who will listen to you and work with you. You shouldn't be forced to take a medication you don't want to.
 
Tapering down from methadone.switch to ROXY and then heroin?

Ok.. I have my benzos and K, and 8 roxys. I also should be getting 5 bags of great heroin.

so my question is this. after tapering down from 110 mgs of methadone over a long time, I stopped drinking my 3 mg dose per day as it wasnt holding me anymore.
I have NOW not drank methadone for 4 days.

I know the effects will be getting more and more intense as the methadone (which has been in my body for 7yrs) takes its time to fully get out of my system.

MANY people tell me that during this time I should use a weaker opiate to get my body switch fully off of methadone and then allow an easier withdrawal from something milder like roxys or heroin.


hence, the 8 pills of roxy and a bit of heroin.


however the half-life of roxys and the half life of heroin would be good to know to time this right

SO

MY MAIN QUESTIONS FOR A TAPERING/WD REGIMENT


How much benzos/other opiates/K should I be taking while the methadone is still LEAVING my system and WD have not hit the peak of intensity yet ( i assumed that by day or 6 the methadone would be mostly out of my system and I would then do a few days of heroin taper and then strap in for a week of heroin withrdrawl aided with benzos and K.

ANY ADVICE ON HOW MUCH OF THE OTHER OPIATES TO USE (or not use) How much K, and how many benzos (i have klonis and xanax and muscle relaxers) should I be taking per day.

just to let you know, today I took 10mg of roxy with a full klonopin and while the WD EFFECTS ARE GONE, i hardly feel either of the pills. I am a bit uncordianted from the kolonopin but certainly am not feeling an opiate buzz

I HAVE NEVER DONE A home medically aided taper/detox before so any help, threads, advice or support would be great.


One thing I want to make sure of is that I only switch to a second opiate for long enough that it doesnt get me hooked on that new opiatel

I think the roxys will be good for getting the methadone out of my system, then a few days of heroin, then face the music with DXM, K and benzos.


OK....advice?


thanks
 
klonopin taper schedule

i get prescribed k pins 2 mg a day ..........but i also get xanax from ppl on top so i have a somewhat benxo habit . id say minimum i get thru day with is usually 3-4 mg of one or other but i can do way more if i am gettin high .
anyway of course im gonna run out before my script should say i need a taper plan

what do you think of this one ?

this is for each day i have 14 1 mg left
2 mg
2 mg
1.5
1.5
1
1
1
1
.5
.5
.5
.5
.5
.5
 
Good Suboxone Kick plan?

Hello BL,

I'm getting ready to finally quit heroin. Hopefully for good. I have access to suboxone to make things easier. I don't really want to take suboxone for long, I just want to w/d as less as I can. For now, I have 5 8mg/2mg pills but I can get more as needed. I was wondering what a good schedule would be? My last dose would be at 9pm tonight.

My habit would probably be around .5g-1.0g of pretty good quality black tar heroin. IV. daily. been IVing daily for about 4 months now. been using black tar for about 1 year total now. few breaks throughout.
 
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