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Tapering off of poppy pods

mlk_2900 said:
Glad the stir-fry helped, salty food will do it every time. My mom has had some issues with low blood pressure (guess that is where I get it from) including fainting spells etc., so she actually carries around a little salt packet and if she feels it getting low has been known to just open it up and take the salt just like that. It doesn't taste the best, but it works.


Yes, it is an outpatient clinic.

Wow, you are already down to 15 mg for one of your doses? That is awesome! You are doing great and will be done with this in no time. These meds were prescribed for pain correct? Do you have any idea what you will do for pain once your get off the meds?
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I have never salted my foods before. I use soy sauce but I can't think of a time I grabbed a salt shaker and poured from it! I don't cook with either though I use it to salt pasta water but I never eat pasta though the family does. I shudder to think about your mom eating it just like it was sugar! My dad had it too.

My husband helps with the baby a bit but he isn't home all the time when the baby is here or lots of time he is sleeping since he works nights. When they are both here though they are inseparable and the baby forgets all about me!

I am a day ahead on the next drop! Yeah I look forward to eliminating that 4 pm dose so I can maybe move the midnight one back to 10 or even 8 pm so I can go to bed earlier! I like to sleep :) A lot actually. Not sure that was all from the opiates either.

Pain? I have spent quite some time convincing my head that the pain is livable. I own it now and have learned to enjoy it. It's not the type of pain one would normally find pleasurable but it's not life threatening either! It's a knee after all. I'm sure I will never take a pain med again. This really just worsened my phobia of all drugs. That's a good thing though.

So do you mind if I ask how or why you started? You are the first woman who has said she did pods. Keep in mind I live in a bubble world :)
 
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I'm curious what your blood pressure would be off the clonidine HEMP. I think they had me on 200mcg for 14 days, and the lowest my blood pressure ever got was like 180/100, which is obviously not low at all.

I've always wondered if my natural disposition to high BP is what also causes my insomnia. Because at that point I was on 200mcg clonidine, 2mg ativan, 4mg klonopin, 80mg inderal and visterol (forget dose) and almost nothing brought my blood pressure down. I mean thats A LOT of meds that cause respiratory depression and to not have my BP come down at all is really making me wonder about this.
I'm really thinking I should get it tested tomorrow, its prob 90% of the reason I can't sleep at night.

Off opiates it will usually hang around 160/85, and the highest its ever gone during wds was 220/120, I was basically hypertensive the entire time. I remember that day specifically because my whole body had started shaking uncontrollably, and I had to flag down a nurse at which point they took my BP and upped all my meds, + made me go lay down for the rest of the day.

This HAS to be whats affecting my sleep. Cause even when I lay down at night my heart is always pounding like crazy. I'm seriously thinking I may just go get prescribed a high dose of inderal, my meds will be here soon enough, but I need it for school anyway (public speaking) so I might as well just go get it now. Than once I have it I can double/triple dose and see if it will actually keep my bp down... which I don't think it will. Cause like I said during wds in the clinic it seemed nothing could keep my bp down. I remember the nurses always making a frowny type face after they gave me meds, then came back in an hour and put the strap on my arm, and I'd answer for them every time "it didn't come down huh?" and sure enough they're answer was always "not really".

I'm not unhealthy or obese, I'm just genetically predisposed, smoke cigs, drink lots of coffee, and have a history of speed abuse. I think part of the reason I run and workout so much is because it brings my BP down a couple of notches and I feel calmer afterwards. Reading this as I'm writing is just really clarifying the fact that I may never really sleep good again untill my bp officially starts coming down. And OMG, thats prob also why Kratom wound up aggravating my insomnia, because Kratom always raises my blood pressure.

Its a good thing you started talking about your BP a lot HEMP because I'm really thinking my insomnia may not be as complicated I was originally thinking it was. I'm gonna go to the supermarket to get it tested tommorow in one of those machines, I know its high but if I'm hypertensive at least Ill have an excuse to go to the dr at that point, and I won't have to tell him I'm in wds either.
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Bo there are times my BP would drop to 90/40 or so if they could even get a reading on me. It never caused me any trouble except maybe once in a blue moon when I would stand up suddenly and get dizzy.

I really don't know anything about BP and what causes it or what is bad or good. I know when the patch kicked in I felt it. My head is very able to feel things when they change in my body. I can tell if my glucose is too high or low...shit I can tell you when my monthy will start the day before it does and that's without a calendar. Maybe as we age we get more in tune with our bodies.

You told me before you have high BP but had not been taking your meds and had headaches. You know you need to take those BP meds for life unless something changes. If the BP isn't due to physical things that can change like weight and I know you are not overweight and tend to be muscular but maybe some of those supplements you use to build muscle causes high BP? Look at the labels and check all the stuff. Genetics probably plays a part as it does with my low BP. No clue about speed. Smoking probably causes issues as does coffee. Do you eat a lot of salt?

You need to get that BP under control. Oh the patches can cause sedation and also cure RLS. I am only on the 0.1 mg (not mcg) and that is the lowest dose there is.
 
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Hey all!

I'm off opiates! Now i just gotta STAY off of thm. One day at a time...

MLK: Keep on doing what you're doing cuz you're doing GREAT! I took my supplements with toast and cheese and they sat in my belly just fine. Hope they help. Do they take time to start working or should I feel it right away? Will I actually feel anything at all? Any ideas what I can expect assuming they "work"?

Same to you Hemp: You're kickin' butt! I'm glad the BP settled in for you. Still, though, you *might* want to check into the deal with cutting a patch in half. Theoretically they should not start out strong but you never know. Read up and when you start the next patch if you need to cut it you'll know if it's doable.

Bo- you sound good. Go see the doctor and get that BP squared-away! I dont' know a damn thing about BP but I'm willing to bet it affects all of the body's systems. Lets hope you get it down where it belongs and hopefully you'll get some sleep and the RLS will subside. Crossing my fingers for you over here.

I hope all are doing well. I feel halfway decent. Depression/old emotional wounds are raging but I'm fighting it. I write in a journal a LOT and and I'm just trying to keep moving. Cleaning the hell out of my house. It's gonna be looking good eventually! It's not gross "dirty" but there a lot of things that I let go. Hell- as soon as the humidty is outta here I'm gonna shampoo my worn-out carpets just to spiff 'em up. Today I'm going to get groceries, burn trash, and clean like crazy.

That's it. I guess cleaning house is the start of my new old life. That's okay- it's a start.

Hang in there everybody!

Peace.
 
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Morning Ham. I am stumped about cutting the patch. I just posted in the basic drug discussion so maybe someone will have an answer.

You did so well coming off the pods :) I am confident you will stay off them too! It's true that we get smarter as we age. We learn from all the mistakes we made over the years.

Carpet shampooing? Uh, that's my thing Ham...I do all mine about every two to three weeks because I enjoy doing them and I love the way the house smells afterward.

Oh yeah...my BP was low a bit ago so I grabbed the soy sauce out of the fridge and filled a tablespoon up and downed it. That was just awful. Did the trick though.

Have fun today. Purging things you don't need in the house is very therapeutic Ham!
 
You guys and your low BP! I'd kill for it! Mine hovers around 140/85, but it's been steady at 155/90 over the past week.

I'm trying to kick pods, too. It's been hell, but I think I've reached the top of the mountain and this thread has been lots of help!
 
Mister Fiddy-Fiddy!

Hey- welcome. Don't be shy- If you've got something to say or just need to vent or have questions or anything just post it up!

How long have you been doing pods? Tea or grounds? Just curious. Always good to contrast our experiences with each others.

Glad you made it. Hang in there. You're not alone.

Peace.
 
The great group of people here has kept me from being shy! You guys are awesome!

I just posted a thread here in the Dark Side, so the gory details are there. But long story short, I've been on pods for almost 8 months. Dosing 2-4 times a day. I quit cold turkey after my supplier flaked on shipping. I haven't had any tea in over a week, but I had some Lortabs that lasted me until Thursday.

I've been having some pretty nasty symptoms since Friday morning, but I think the worst has passed. This is WAY worse than the time I kicked a 9 month Hydro problem! Everyone's advice has really come in handy. Immodium, melatonin, and Ambien have made it tolerable, and today I'm feeling much better so I hope the worst is over!
 
And have you considered doing a chargeback? I highly recommend it. Its one thing to order and get 1/4 of what you ordered (my second to last experience) its another thing to order pods that basically have no goodies in them (very last pod order) its another thing to outright make an order and not have it shipped.

Wow that would have peed me off. These sellers KNOW damn well that they are messing around with addiction by just not sending product out, thats just so effed
 
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Picked this up late, so this may all be said so I'll be brief. My spin is this is very similar to nicotine. Well, x 10 maybe. The first 3-5 days you think will be the worst. They are the most intense, and usually the alkaloids from both are pretty well washed out of your system by then, but it sure as hell ain't over. You have a number of neural systems that have been rewired by the drug(s), and that takes varying degrees of time to straighten out. Colonidine helps with the adrenal dump, (that knotted stomach) till that system settles out, but you've tweaked more things than it may seem at first. Lope helps because it does not cross the brain/blood barrier like real opiates, so it leaves your head alone but helps plug receptors in other parts of your body that are bitching long and loud. Bupe has a good long half life, but it is absolutely shameful what they charge for it as a detoxing med. And with those 8 mg. horse pills you can become dependent on it too. It is sold in some parts of the world as Temgesic, in little .2 sublingual tabs. Very easy to titrate off of, and so much cheaper than Sub pills. The sleep disruption can last along time, and is very debilitating without help. If you've never gone 5-10 days without sleep, you really can't imagine. The auditory hallucinations will scare the shit out of your spouse or people listening to you babble as they try to sleep, knowing your having some serious conversations with absolutely no one. Try to counsel them you know whats going on, your not psychotic and they are safe, and it will pass. If they panic and call 911 your going to end up in a psyc ward, (and involuntarily I might add),which never looks good on a background check. Once you find you have all this madness behind you, and you think your alright, something stressful will happen, or you find yourself in surroundings that were very familiar to you when you were dependent, and your brain is going to start dumping all kinds of shit like it used to under those conditions. Environment is incredibly reinforcing. They have done brain scans of people who are chemically clean, shown them pictures of activities they partook in when getting high, and their brain activity lights up like a Christmas tree, in the same areas it would if they had just reupped their drug. Never underestimate placebo effects ability to cause you to relapse. I know, sounds weird, but if you start jones'in for no apparent reason, months or even years later, look around.
Yeah, I said this would be short. But those films you watched in high school said after 3 days of cold turkey you'd be just fine, no more problems too. Good luck. Its very do able. But 3 days it ain't.
 
ehh yeh this is like my 3rd edit lol.

I really thought you overreacted at first HEMP but the truth is if they need to find out they will on their own.

I was however not liking the fact that the one seller left is the same seller ripping everyone off, and either way they'll find out if they plan on going back.

Not to mention the people who only started these tapers to get through the shortage, everyone here isn't doing this by choice fyi. I am, hammy is, but there are still people who are gonna go right back whenever the shortage ends. Too bad that may never happen lol.
 
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I just wanted to pop in here and say that I think most of this thread is wonderful!

But please remember the point of this thread is to support and help each other taper off of Poppy Pods-

If you are wanting to continue use there would be other places to take those types of posts. There have been a few posts here that walk the line of our Guidelines and also the BLUA.
I just want to remind everyone that there are rules that should be followed and to post accordingly. :)
 
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Bojangles69 said:
And have you considered doing a chargeback? I highly recommend it. Its one thing to order and get 1/4 of what you ordered (my second to last experience) its another thing to order pods that basically have no goodies in them (very last pod order) its another thing to outright make an order and not have it shipped.

Wow that would have peed me off. These sellers KNOW damn well that they are messing around with addiction by just not sending product out, thats just so effed
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I'm still in contact with the seller. I've been with the same supplier since day one, and the shipping has been literally next day until 2 months ago. Then they started sending an email with your order confirmation saying that they are overloaded with orders, and that shipping will be a little slow. He's responded to all my emails, so I haven't done a chargeback.

And as for me getting clean, it's been on the backburner for months. I've been researching how to taper, and this situation has just been encouragement to stay sober now. I'm seeing it as another giant sign that I need to get this under control, and do it ASAP.
 
Clonidine patch possible solution

Ham just wanted to let you know that someone suggested that I might try and place tape under half of a patch to keep that part from delivering any meds. He hadn't tried it but said so long as I make sure the rest of the patch is secured to hold against the skin it might work.

Figured I would post that here since MLK may be getting some clonidine at some point and she also has low BP.
 
Clonidine patch should NOT be cut

This discussion was for use in infants but it tells how to reduce the patch dosage:
http://www.ispub.com/journal/the_internet_journal_of_pediatrics_and_neonatology/volume_10_number_1_11/article/clonidine-withdrawal-in-a-3-month-old-premature-male-infant.html



In order to deliver 50 mcg/day (1/2 patch), we occlude one-half of the patch adhesive surface using one-half of the product’s polyester protective peel-away slit liner. Likewise, we use one-fourth of the liner when attempting to deliver 75 mcg/day. The patch can be held in place with an appropriate clear adhesive dressing (e.g. Tegaderm®) applied over the patch backing. The patch is changed once-weekly but should be checked each shift by the baby’s nurse to confirm continued placement.

We do not cut the patch. Cutting the clonidine patch will damage the integrity of the semipermeable patch membrane, possibly resulting in leakage of the patch’s drug reservoir contents and imprecise drug delivery.18
 
Well, I used up a gram of H over the period of a few days and I spread out the hits as long as I can, I also wasted quite a bit at first, "chasing the dragon" is quite an artform (some people would take pottery classes during the summer but what do I do? Learn how to smoke H on tinfoil....never was one to enjoy "normal" activities)

Anyhow, I spaced out my doses pretty far apart and when I ran out I thought I was alright and wouldn't need to buy more, WRONG! Damn, H withdrawals hit QUICK and are extra unforgiving, I had to score again today to make it to my gig on time and not sick. However, the head change from sick to well after just one hit off some foil was one of the most relieving moments of my life.

My friend who has the H is also fed up with opiates and we're both going to quit at the same time, within a week or two, I'm going to call some sub doctors tomorrow. Then it's just a matter of waiting for one more paycheck and I'll be able to afford the subs and doc appt.

I realize time is of the essence. H is way too expensive, and also way too functional, more so than pods because it doesn't make me as tired, it's deceiving, people see me on it and say I look good. I saw my family the other day and they remarked how nice it was to see me in such a good mood. My tolerance was high enough from the pods then subs that I can smoke a fair amount and get a good high but still go about my business and no one is the wiser to my opiate buzz. Although I've had an opiate buzz going steady for the better part of the last year.

Anyway, subs for me, I've bought a total of 2.5 grams of H so far and it's disgusting how much it costs and how hard it is not to just smoke it all at once (now that I can chase that dragon like a fucking zen master)....

I have no desire to go back to drinking regularly or smoking pot or any other recreational drugs except an occasional Adderall when I have a lot of work to do.... but opiates oh opiates, it's like they choose you or something. I know with enough sub I can keep my cravings under control and get on with my life (which is actually going very well, all the more reason to get this taken care of as quickly as possible)

Anyone who is thinking of resorting to H during a desperate moment, DON'T! there's something about it that will suck you in faster than any other opiate I've ever experienced. I feel thankful that of my two opiate addict friends, one is on subs and the other is sick to death of the whole game and wants to either go to a methadone clinic or sub doctor. There is no more romance left in this silly game.

Cheers Everyone! Keep On Keepin' On and Stayin' Strong!

P.S. The support on this thread is amazing, I'm so very thankful that I can come here in times of weakness, or strength and know that I'm not alone.

I'm also thankful that my general life circumstances seem to be pushing me along towards a more balanced and sober life.

Addicts do need to hear from other Addicts, I do believe we are wired differently and it's very therapeutic to hear from other people fighting the same battle you are.

Thanks for the support HamClamp! And thanks for starting this thread!
 
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Wow! This thread has taken on a life of it's own. Tons of activity- that's great!

I want to make something clear: This is not "my" thread. It's OURS. The title is not "Hamclamps tapering off of poppy pods" it is "Tapering off of poppy pods" so make no mistake- it's wide open.

Actually I'm the one who should not post here becasue I'm NOT tapering off any more! So there- have at it!

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Unsettled! I'm worried about you. All opiates sink their teeth in but as you're finding out H has some fangs. I went from zero to having a gorilla on my back almost overnight way back when. And as you're finding out it's got no legs and leaves you wanting more right away.

Can you cop something else like maybe some hydrocodone or even T-3s instead? Maybe I missed something but why aren't you using the weak pods to your advantage right now? I'm not bustin' on you. Not at all. It's just that I've been down the road with H and frankly it just scares the hell out of me any more. I want you to succeed. If I missed your reason for using H instead of something else please accept my apology in advance. You'll be getting on the sub next week so that's cool.

Be careful copping and please remember that the nice comments you're getting because of H's functionality won't last. It would not be long before you'll start looking old and tired. My skin looked GREY when I was strung out on that shit. Rest assured it's a false functionality that won't last.

Keep dosing just enough to stay well and get to the doctor as soon as possible! Keep us posted okay? You matter!

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I'm doing okay today. No deep depression today. This weekend was freaking brutal. Wow. I stayed busy and did a lot of writing to try to purge the emotions but I've got to be honest- it was tough. I keep telling myself that everythng is amplified right now and I'm getting double-servings of emotions right now because my brain/heart has been in a fog for so long. I DO feel a little better inside today and that's a relief. The weather is better and that always makes a difference for me. Maybe the L-Tyro/B6/5-HTP/Vitamin combo is helping too.

Short on time but I never seem to be short on words. Time for work and I'm glad. Too much time to kill this past weekend.

Hope everyone is hanging tough. Take it day by day or even hour by hour but keep on looking forward. Don't pay any attention to my whining about feeling bad inside. Feelings never killed anyone. Opiates HAVE.

Hang in there!

Peace.
 
Hemp, thanks so much for the information regarding the clonodine. At least I have an idea now on how I can use it should the clinic prescribe me some just in case. Is it helping reduce any withdrawal symptoms for you? As far as how I started using, it started innocently enough when I was prescribed vicodin for awhile after a really rough car wreck. I did have some legitimate pain issues at the time, but then after the physical pain subsided I found myself taking a pill here or there to lift my mood. I have a history of depression and at the time was dealing with some bad postpartum depression that went untreated. My vicodin usage carried on for about a year (during which I easily went a month here or there without taking any), then earlier this year when running out of vicodin I had a lot of bad stuff hit me at once in my life. I ran across poppy pods when browsing the internet and here I am. In all my reading since then I have only found a few women who have taken poppy pods. Guess when you are looking to "escape" or self medicate, you are willing to try anything you find. If only I had known then what I know now, thats okay though, I just use everything I am currently going through to fuel my fire of determination to never be addicted to opiates again!

Ham, hope you are doing well tonight. I am glad to hear the depression is letting up a bit today. The down times, weekends etc., are often the hardest for depression. When you are busy with work or other things it seems that your mind is too busy to linger on depressing thoughts. As far as the L-tyrosine and B6, it took a few days before I was able to notice a difference, so it could likely take a few days for you as well.

Unsettled, I will be thinking about you. I hope you find your way into getting and staying clear of the heroin soon, be it subs or whatever else. I have never done heroin, but I have always read how quick the addiction sets in, which thankfully scares me enough to never even come close to it.
 
Hey all!

I *htink* the supplements might be starting to kick in, MLK, as it feels as if my depression IS lifting.

All in all I'm feeling a lot better than I expected. So far no major cravings. Have I had thoughts? Yes. But no craving. I'm grateful for that for sure! Staying busy helps. I'm gonna have to come up with something for the weekends to fill up my days, though, as even with outside work and chores I've got too much time to think about useless crap.

I hope everybody is hanging tough. Just hang in there and keep at it and before you know it you'll be in a different place. It's worth the effort. Even thought I'm fighting depression I feel better all in all. My energy has trippled and I'm not walking around all half-asleep any more. I feel a LOT better- it feels like it was worth it.

Hang tough and hang in there!

Peace.
 
Ham I emailed you this already but felt I wanted to post here as well. Maybe someone else has a clue what is going on too?

Last night I woke up at 3 am and was laying in a damp bed from my own sweat or something. I wasn't hot or cold and my CA is still on too. I went back to sleep after covering the bed and when I got up this morning the bed was damp but not as much as earlier.

I also am having really severe anxiety today. My doses are 30, 15, 30 at 8 am, 4 pm, and midnight. Next drop will be tomorrow at 4 pm to 7.5 mg.

Any ideas? I can't go on like this and it feels like I am headed back to that bad WD I went through in July.
 
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