Opioids tapering off of Oxy with Heroin.. Madness?

[Dngr:Wildman]

basically.. ive been doing 30mg of oxycodone a day (snorting)or so give or take for a couple months now... previously i was more of a weekend warrior off and on for ~ a year and i began to feel some ill effects by the 2nd day sober and it would be relativly minor WDs(cramps nd some sweats meh). recently, as my usage has become pretty regular...i would start feeling pretty crappy by the next afternoon. anyway ive been looking to quit/take a break to save some money and break the cycle. my last dose was 15 mgs on like saturday, however, i have not been sober lol. the following 3 days ive split a 10 bag of H(snorted), a whole 10 bag the next two days including today(snorted as well)... i know thats probably not the smartest thing to be doing but it is cheaper so it at leasts satisfies one of my goals by saving some cash.

my question is do you think this will curb some of the WD effects becauase my body is not used to the H and all of the Oxy is undoubtably out of my system by now or are opiates just opiates haha? furthermore i have a 1MG piece of sub to help too. i was wondering when would be the most strategic time to take this if i am in fact in store for a rough detox? fwiw prior to this week id snorted H a handful of times several months ago

i know everyones bodys are diff and mayb this is a noob question but im curious and cant find any info concerning this elsewher.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I think this is better suited for Other Drugs, so I'm going to move it over there...

BDD --> OD

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

my bad.. /sigh...i nver pick the right forum

 

[Limitbreaker]

I'm not judging you, but it reminds me of something someone I used to know was doing.

What he did was to rail way too much amphetamine in order to "study". He didn't realize how much lying he's doing to himself.

While indeed he needed to study, he used that as an excuse to get high, and using too much amphetamine, thus not being able to study.

Make sure you're not using "taper off oxy" as an excuse to get high on H. You might not even realize that. I've done that before with some other, different drugs, less dangerous, and it still frightens me when I think about how I could lie to myself that easily.

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

I'm not judging you, but it reminds me of something someone I used to know was doing.

What he did was to rail way too much amphetamine in order to "study". He didn't realize how much lying he's doing to himself.

While indeed he needed to study, he used that as an excuse to get high, and using too much amphetamine, thus not being able to study.

Make sure you're not using "taper off oxy" as an excuse to get high on H. You might not even realize that. I've done that before with some other, different drugs, less dangerous, and it still frightens me when I think about how I could lie to myself that easily.

valid points and i appreciate the advice.. im not doing this for research purposes haha... my "last day" just keeps getting pushed back coz ppl keep buying me stuff and i was wondering if it might be of some benefit at least... i guess i will kno in a few days either way haha

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

Substituting H for the oxy, will not make anything easier. In fact it will be just the same or possibly a smidgen worse withdrawal when all is said and well; done. The two are pretty much the same when coming off: the more you do and the longer, the more intense withdrawals will be.
When u start feeling medium withdrawal symptoms, you can take the piece of sub. I can't say when that wears off you won't feel wd's again, because that is one dose of a small amount. If you can get your paws on anymore suboxone, that would help you greatly -would be an almost certain safe landing...

yeah i feel like ill be looking at around 3 days of feeling like crap.. so i was planning to use it on day 2 and hope it carrysover to day 3. im probably over simplifying.. but in the past it hasnt been too rough, but also i hadnt had this long of a habit previously either. im just not sure what to expect and uncertainty sucks lol

 

[MrNaptown]

That's not even a habit and your asking about w/D's wtf dude

 

[F1n1shed]

Maybe not compared to yours but 30mg of oxy a day still brings some shitty withdrawals, its never fun to go through withdrawals even if it is pretty low dose. Show off

 

[MrNaptown]

Your a pussy if getting off 30mg oxy man up

 

[Znegative]

Others have pretty much said it, but opioids and opiates are all cross tolerant. Dope is dope, and you're brain cannot distinguish heroin from oxycodone. Depending on the quality of heroin you're getting, you're probably either maintaining your tolerance, or raising it.

If you're going to use the 1 mg of suboxone, make sure that you don't Take until it's been 24 hours for, your last dose of heroin/oxy, as you don't want to encounter precipitated withdrawal. With your low tolerance, you can probably get two dosages out of that 1mg of suboxone that you have

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

Others have pretty much said it, but opioids and opiates are all cross tolerant. Dope is dope, and you're brain cannot distinguish heroin from oxycodone. Depending on the quality of heroin you're getting, you're probably either maintaining your tolerance, or raising it.

If you're going to use the 1 mg of suboxone, make sure that you don't Take until it's been 24 hours for, your last dose of heroin/oxy, as you don't want to encounter precipitated withdrawal. With your low tolerance, you can probably get two dosages out of that 1mg of suboxone that you have

thanks for the good info, i have taken 1mg dose of sub before and it def hits me pretty hard. i think i will try splitting it in half

btw is ther anyway to tell hwo good of dope it was? ive never came across it from any other source to compare it too

 

[Znegative]

All you can do is basically compare its weight to the weight of the oxycodone that you've been using to get high or maintain. If you've figured out how much dope it takes to get you to the same place that 30mg of oxy does, than that's all that matters (with this batch of dope). If you're getting much higher off the heroin, than you are definately raising your tolerance. It's pretty important when you switch from prescription opiates to street opiates, that you start off small. One bag of heroin can range from being bunk shit, to being very pure, or possibly not containing heroin at all, but another opioid like fentanyl. Usually when heroin is sold in bundles, one bag has roughly 100mg of powder. So at peak purity, the most heroin you could possibly have would be around 100mg of diamorphine (you will probably never run into heroin this pure in your life, unless you go to a country that prescribes pharmaceutical heroin). Heroin and oxycodone are almost equal in strength, especially if the heroin is being insufflated. So if you want to play it safe, the best thing would be to get a scale, and measure out about 20mg of heroin (leave 10mg or so out for slight inaccuracy), and you have very little chance of running into problems (unless, of course, your dope is cut with something like fentanyl)

 

[Fell]

no reply so deleted question and moved forums

 

[F1n1shed]

Don't over think it dude, just do as little dope as possible until your WD starts dying off. You don't need to mathematically add it up and convert the doses to oxy, come on bra. If you were doing 30mg oxy a day, just do bumps of H so your not high off it but your withdrawals and pains are gone. As the days go by do smaller and smaller bumps until you are completely off, it should only take a few days.

 

[ms4104]

Dude... I only read a few sentences but you have to be out of your mind (unless I am jumping the gun here). You are on a very low dose of oxy and wanna combat it with heroin.

Around here a single bag of dope if its fire is like shooting an oc 80...

Why not just withdraw from the 30mg.. you will feel kinda bad for a few day then be great.. 30mg is like what people taper down to when they wanna detox (if they can even taper). Tapering a full agonist in an uncontrolled environment (unlike a meth clinic) is nearly impossible unless you simple hate getting high.

Edit: I see you sniff.. still man you are at a great point that if you quit now you will suffer minor-moderate withdrawals.. actually just minor. I bet by day 8 you feel like 90%. Unlike if you develop a hardcore heroin habit.. and your taper turns into a life long addiction which playing with opiates is like gambling at teh casino. House wins.

Also 1mg bupe is like a jackhammer on 30mg oxycodone. You will probably even get high from the bupe b/c of the low dose of oxy.

Dude just be thankful you are where you are.. I hate people that say just take the pain.,..but bro they are right in the sense that the longer you drag it out the worse it is..unless you are the 1/100 people that can taper using HEROIN. A drug that FUCKS YOU UP AND KEEPS YOU COMING BACK FOR MORE DICK. Seriously rationing heroin is like an oxymoron.

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

Dude... I only read a few sentences but you have to be out of your mind (unless I am jumping the gun here). You are on a very low dose of oxy and wanna combat it with heroin.

Around here a single bag of dope if its fire is like shooting an oc 80...

Why not just withdraw from the 30mg.. you will feel kinda bad for a few day then be great.. 30mg is like what people taper down to when they wanna detox (if they can even taper). Tapering a full agonist in an uncontrolled environment (unlike a meth clinic) is nearly impossible unless you simple hate getting high.

Edit: I see you sniff.. still man you are at a great point that if you quit now you will suffer minor-moderate withdrawals.. actually just minor. I bet by day 8 you feel like 90%. Unlike if you develop a hardcore heroin habit.. and your taper turns into a life long addiction which playing with opiates is like gambling at teh casino. House wins.

Also 1mg bupe is like a jackhammer on 30mg oxycodone. You will probably even get high from the bupe b/c of the low dose of oxy.

Dude just be thankful you are where you are.. I hate people that say just take the pain.,..but bro they are right in the sense that the longer you drag it out the worse it is..unless you are the 1/100 people that can taper using HEROIN. A drug that FUCKS YOU UP AND KEEPS YOU COMING BACK FOR MORE DICK. Seriously rationing heroin is like an oxymoron.

lol... i mean hopefully you could tell by the title that im being somewhat sarcastic about it being a logical thing to do. i had just planned to quit and then i came across teh H and i was wondering if using that for the few days that i did would throw off my WDs due to being a diff substance.

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

All you can do is basically compare its weight to the weight of the oxycodone that you've been using to get high or maintain. If you've figured out how much dope it takes to get you to the same place that 30mg of oxy does, than that's all that matters (with this batch of dope). If you're getting much higher off the heroin, than you are definately raising your tolerance. It's pretty important when you switch from prescription opiates to street opiates, that you start off small. One bag of heroin can range from being bunk shit, to being very pure, or possibly not containing heroin at all, but another opioid like fentanyl. Usually when heroin is sold in bundles, one bag has roughly 100mg of powder. So at peak purity, the most heroin you could possibly have would be around 100mg of diamorphine (you will probably never run into heroin this pure in your life, unless you go to a country that prescribes pharmaceutical heroin). Heroin and oxycodone are almost equal in strength, especially if the heroin is being insufflated. So if you want to play it safe, the best thing would be to get a scale, and measure out about 20mg of heroin (leave 10mg or so out for slight inaccuracy), and you have very little chance of running into problems (unless, of course, your dope is cut with something like fentanyl)

what would that mean if it was cut with fentanyl? how would i know.. just curious? one thing i notice is it clogs up my nose the next day like none other.

ive def experienced the variation u are talking about.. everytime ive sniffed it its been a little diff it seems...

 

[Dngr:Wildman]

Don't over think it dude, just do as little dope as possible until your WD starts dying off. You don't need to mathematically add it up and convert the doses to oxy, come on bra. If you were doing 30mg oxy a day, just do bumps of H so your not high off it but your withdrawals and pains are gone. As the days go by do smaller and smaller bumps until you are completely off, it should only take a few days.

im sorry dude... i cant help it, im a very analytical person, i enjoy using various drugs quite a bit and i like knowing what im messing with

 

[Tommyboy]

I have done the opposite and used oxycodone to taper off of heroin. I would never consider doing it the other way around, and one of the main reasons is that you don't know the exact dose of heroin you are getting, both due to not knowing its purity, and because each batch will vary. Another reason is that oxycodone has a longer half-life than heroin, so you would need to dose heroin more often in order to keep the withdrawals at bay.

As others have said, opiates are opiates are opiates etc... Your best bet is to pick an opiate to taper with that you will have control over dosing by knowing the exact amount of milligrams you are taking. Decrease frequency and dosage to taper off. Everything else you will need to know about easing the withdrawal symptoms can be found here.

Good luck, and gods speed.

 

[ms4104]

lol... i mean hopefully you could tell by the title that im being somewhat sarcastic about it being a logical thing to do. i had just planned to quit and then i came across teh H and i was wondering if using that for the few days that i did would throw off my WDs due to being a diff substance.

I didn't really see it as sarcastic my bad... you are asking a question looking for answers for your own well-being. Clearly you know it's not logical or rational to use an illicit substance like heroin to taper a small dose like that.

As far as if it 'threw off' your withdrawals do you mean by using heroin are you escaping withdrawals, prolonging them, making them worse? It's a different substance but withdrawal wise it might as well be the same.. you can't do oxy one week adn heroin the next and avoid wtihdrawwlas.