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Harm Reduction Tapering help: Klonopin, Seroquel, Auvelity. Which first?

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Hello, first time posting. Advanced apologies if not posting correctly. I am currently on 100mg Seroquel XR, 2mg Klonopin (1mg 2x day) and Auvelity 100mg/night. I have suffered from severe treatment resistant depression and anxiety along with loss of appetite for the past 4 yrs. Klonopin prescribed for past 15 yrs., Seroquel 1 yr., Auvelity 6 mos. I am also receiving regular Ketamine infusions for chronic pain and mental health. Ketamine has done wonders. Ketamine has helped with mental health and appetite. Have gained 20 lbs since beginning Auvelity despite still struggling to eat a lot of the time. Not as concerned about weight as I am about keeping appetite and keeping myself balanced so I don't end up in a tailspin again.

My psych nurse wants to work towards weaning me off of these meds, especially the Klonopin. I have had previous horrific experience in weaning down from Klonopin, even at slow taper. I was down to 1mg for years and then increased again to stop uncontrollable anxiety and inability to eat. When I spoke with her about tapering, she just said to maybe start skipping a dose here or there and build up to stopping! This is absolutely NOT the way to get off benzos and it seems that most of the doctors I talk to have no idea about this. I understand how to taper from Klonopin.

TL;DR: MY QUESTION: Considering the three medications I'm currently taking (and the regular ketamine infusions), which medication would be the best to start tapering first? I'm hoping that maybe the other meds will help with tapering if I do them in the right order. I understand that diazepam can be helpful in Klonopin taper as well. As for the Seroquel, it is XR, so no way to break down to less than 50mg. The Auvelity should be the least of the problem, but even that will be a challenge.

For reference, I have successfully weaned myself down from 4mg Klonopin +PRN 15 yrs. ago (down to 1mg) and last year I decided to wean myself off of 15 yrs. of 40mg vicodin/day. It was brutal, but I did it alone at home.

Sorry so long, I'm hoping one or more of you can help me with my plan. Medical staff just don't seem to believe or understand the reality of weaning off of these medications. Thank you in advance.
 
Seroquel first, as I think itl be easiest? Then whatever room that frees up stop the benzos, but if ur not go a fit just grind it out there's things like replacement drugs that aren't benzos I think
Sorry for the addiction, I'm stuck myself
 
Hello, first time posting. Advanced apologies if not posting correctly. I am currently on 100mg Seroquel XR, 2mg Klonopin (1mg 2x day) and Auvelity 100mg/night. I have suffered from severe treatment resistant depression and anxiety along with loss of appetite for the past 4 yrs. Klonopin prescribed for past 15 yrs., Seroquel 1 yr., Auvelity 6 mos. I am also receiving regular Ketamine infusions for chronic pain and mental health. Ketamine has done wonders. Ketamine has helped with mental health and appetite. Have gained 20 lbs since beginning Auvelity despite still struggling to eat a lot of the time. Not as concerned about weight as I am about keeping appetite and keeping myself balanced so I don't end up in a tailspin again.

My psych nurse wants to work towards weaning me off of these meds, especially the Klonopin. I have had previous horrific experience in weaning down from Klonopin, even at slow taper. I was down to 1mg for years and then increased again to stop uncontrollable anxiety and inability to eat. When I spoke with her about tapering, she just said to maybe start skipping a dose here or there and build up to stopping! This is absolutely NOT the way to get off benzos and it seems that most of the doctors I talk to have no idea about this. I understand how to taper from Klonopin.

TL;DR: MY QUESTION: Considering the three medications I'm currently taking (and the regular ketamine infusions), which medication would be the best to start tapering first? I'm hoping that maybe the other meds will help with tapering if I do them in the right order. I understand that diazepam can be helpful in Klonopin taper as well. As for the Seroquel, it is XR, so no way to break down to less than 50mg. The Auvelity should be the least of the problem, but even that will be a challenge.

For reference, I have successfully weaned myself down from 4mg Klonopin +PRN 15 yrs. ago (down to 1mg) and last year I decided to wean myself off of 15 yrs. of 40mg vicodin/day. It was brutal, but I did it alone at home.

Sorry so long, I'm hoping one or more of you can help me with my plan. Medical staff just don't seem to believe or understand the reality of weaning off of these medications. Thank you in advance.
You should request a change from Klonopin to either diazepam or Librium.

They are much longer acting and longer half life and are more disposed to tapering.
 
Thanks, both of you. I'm actually now tapering off the Auvelity as it has severe and moderate interactions with the other two meds and I've only been on it for about 6 months. Auvelity is a new antidepressant with dextromethorphan and buproprion. It has done nothing for my depression. Psych nurse said just cut dose in half (two xr pills) and take half in morning, half at night. I'm taking whole in morning, half at night. 25% taper is more than my body wants. I can't even consider getting off the seroquel or benzo until after I level off.

Seroquel is going to be a beast as it cannot be cut (XR) and it's two 50mg pills. Lowest dose 50mg.

Thanks for the info on the benzo, I didn't realize diazepam had such a longer half life. That would be helpful.

Miprocinadmirer, sorry to hear you're suffering too.
 
I hope all is well. I believe a major issue we have, and could destroy our nation, is prescription drugs. The dependence that is developed with these meds is truly damaging and dangerous, as withdrawals are dangerous and the medical "professionals" have no clue what it's like and the severe mental collapse that will occur. Work and any real activities are impossible during withdrawal. I've experienced it with effexor and suboxone. I lost medical coverage a few years back and had to cold turkey both. I wanted to die on multiple occasions. Living for my children was all that kept me alive. I lost my mind after my 16 year old daughter passed. Was taking Norco 4yrs for a knee surgery that had complications. I wanted to stop as I did not need them, and thought I could just stop. No. Thus I was put on suboxone. Effexor was prescribed. Lost medical and almost took my life. I'm still struggling mentally due to my daughter's passing, so I've been prescribed Paxil, Wellbutrin and gabbapentin. I know I'm in serious trouble, knowing one day, the doctor will want to change something and then all hell breaks loose. They are not equipped to handle tapering properly and have aided in creating a world of medicated mental patients. Meds have caused much of the mental disorders today, we turn to doctors if we feel a certain way, and then dependency develops. They know what they are doing, just like big pharma! $$$$ We are useless eaters to them. Walking science projects. Vaccines, chemicals, meds etc...data is all they seek for the algorithm. I am pissed off and depressed after each dosage. Now they want to switch wellbutrin for Auvelity? I'm freaked out. The psychiatrist do nothing to help. Most of my phone appts last less than 10 mins!!!!! "How u doing", stable for the most part", "OK, how are your panic attacks", "less frequent, now a couple of times a week", how are your meds etc....Literally my last 10 appts have been just over an hour if I would to detail each appts elapsed time. I could be a psychiatrist! All education is today, is memorization! A bunch of morons with no real life experience! Bunch of progressive freaks, pushing meds,vaccines etc...we are in serious trouble if China decides to stop manufacturing our meds!! Yes, China manufacturers our meds!!!!! 2024 is going to get wild soon! If the grid is attacked, and power goes out nationwide, withdrawal will add to societies madness!! Those of us on meds are walking a thin line, with the current administration and their desperation to win the election. We the people are expendable and are being replaced by illegals that will work for less, and not push back. Wake up folks, 2024 will go down in history. All will blame white supremacist, that don't exist, but they want to divide us! We must unite and fight! Screw all the political nonsense, screw Trump, Biden, DEI, racism and kids being indoctrinated by the perverted education system. If you are on meds pay attention to the climate around you. Not the fake climate change, but how things are going in your city and political decisions made. We can't trust doctors or bullshit science. Read people! Research! Stay away from mainstream news. Look into the trials, results etc...real life is right before us and things do not look good. We will have some major events occur. Look into the CIA etc...Truth matters people and the truth is what will wake people up! AI is manipulated by the developers and is slanted politically. It's madness! AI will aid in replacement. I'm fearful of there being an issue with meds this year, and the potential for mass withdrawal. If it occurs desperation will shatter this country! People in the streets, in withdrawal?! Imagine that. If you can taper safely do it now! Start tomorrow. Please, get off meds if you only just started, and refuse them if offered by a quack doctor that does not know how it feels, and does not care. We are all future rehab patients to them, and always a source of data and revenues!!!! We all fucked up folks. Trying to find help, but we found a nightmare instead. Godspeed everyone and stay safe but be prepared and mindful of the goings-on. It's an election year, and historical evidence shows, madness will ensue. Power and control means everything to these globalist, and they are going to cause chaos soon. If possible, get storage foods, water, first aid kit, candles, solar chargers, guns, etc....be prepared for martial law. I know what I'm talking about and sound insane in my rambling, but I warning you, be prepared for anything. Mark my words. We live in dangerous time due to the political climate and those that seek power and control. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, WHO, CDC, Blackrock etc...the globalist agenda is the "Great Reset". Look into it.
 
If it were me - id want to do the mental health medications one after another, whichever one I liked the least i would start with. the reason for this is - id want to be in as clear and stable a place as possible in order to make it through the benzo withdrawal, which i would do last. i would also switch to diazepam or librium over the klonopin, both for everyday use and especially for tapering as it has a much longer half-life
 
Thanks, both of you. I'm actually now tapering off the Auvelity as it has severe and moderate interactions with the other two meds and I've only been on it for about 6 months. Auvelity is a new antidepressant with dextromethorphan and buproprion. It has done nothing for my depression. Psych nurse said just cut dose in half (two xr pills) and take half in morning, half at night. I'm taking whole in morning, half at night. 25% taper is more than my body wants. I can't even consider getting off the seroquel or benzo until after I level off.

Seroquel is going to be a beast as it cannot be cut (XR) and it's two 50mg pills. Lowest dose 50mg.

Thanks for the info on the benzo, I didn't realize diazepam had such a longer half life. That would be helpful.

Miprocinadmirer, sorry to hear you're suffering too.
Valium doesn't have a longer half life, it's a prodrug for active benefits. clonazepam is by far the best benzo I've had
 
I hope all is well. I believe a major issue we have, and could destroy our nation, is prescription drugs. The dependence that is developed with these meds is truly damaging and dangerous, as withdrawals are dangerous and the medical "professionals" have no clue what it's like and the severe mental collapse that will occur. Work and any real activities are impossible during withdrawal. I've experienced it with effexor and suboxone. I lost medical coverage a few years back and had to cold turkey both. I wanted to die on multiple occasions. Living for my children was all that kept me alive. I lost my mind after my 16 year old daughter passed. Was taking Norco 4yrs for a knee surgery that had complications. I wanted to stop as I did not need them, and thought I could just stop. No. Thus I was put on suboxone. Effexor was prescribed. Lost medical and almost took my life. I'm still struggling mentally due to my daughter's passing, so I've been prescribed Paxil, Wellbutrin and gabbapentin. I know I'm in serious trouble, knowing one day, the doctor will want to change something and then all hell breaks loose. They are not equipped to handle tapering properly and have aided in creating a world of medicated mental patients. Meds have caused much of the mental disorders today, we turn to doctors if we feel a certain way, and then dependency develops. They know what they are doing, just like big pharma! $$$$ We are useless eaters to them. Walking science projects. Vaccines, chemicals, meds etc...data is all they seek for the algorithm. I am pissed off and depressed after each dosage. Now they want to switch wellbutrin for Auvelity? I'm freaked out. The psychiatrist do nothing to help. Most of my phone appts last less than 10 mins!!!!! "How u doing", stable for the most part", "OK, how are your panic attacks", "less frequent, now a couple of times a week", how are your meds etc....Literally my last 10 appts have been just over an hour if I would to detail each appts elapsed time. I could be a psychiatrist! All education is today, is memorization! A bunch of morons with no real life experience! Bunch of progressive freaks, pushing meds,vaccines etc...we are in serious trouble if China decides to stop manufacturing our meds!! Yes, China manufacturers our meds!!!!! 2024 is going to get wild soon! If the grid is attacked, and power goes out nationwide, withdrawal will add to societies madness!! Those of us on meds are walking a thin line, with the current administration and their desperation to win the election. We the people are expendable and are being replaced by illegals that will work for less, and not push back. Wake up folks, 2024 will go down in history. All will blame white supremacist, that don't exist, but they want to divide us! We must unite and fight! Screw all the political nonsense, screw Trump, Biden, DEI, racism and kids being indoctrinated by the perverted education system. If you are on meds pay attention to the climate around you. Not the fake climate change, but how things are going in your city and political decisions made. We can't trust doctors or bullshit science. Read people! Research! Stay away from mainstream news. Look into the trials, results etc...real life is right before us and things do not look good. We will have some major events occur. Look into the CIA etc...Truth matters people and the truth is what will wake people up! AI is manipulated by the developers and is slanted politically. It's madness! AI will aid in replacement. I'm fearful of there being an issue with meds this year, and the potential for mass withdrawal. If it occurs desperation will shatter this country! People in the streets, in withdrawal?! Imagine that. If you can taper safely do it now! Start tomorrow. Please, get off meds if you only just started, and refuse them if offered by a quack doctor that does not know how it feels, and does not care. We are all future rehab patients to them, and always a source of data and revenues!!!! We all fucked up folks. Trying to find help, but we found a nightmare instead. Godspeed everyone and stay safe but be prepared and mindful of the goings-on. It's an election year, and historical evidence shows, madness will ensue. Power and control means everything to these globalist, and they are going to cause chaos soon. If possible, get storage foods, water, first aid kit, candles, solar chargers, guns, etc....be prepared for martial law. I know what I'm talking about and sound insane in my rambling, but I warning you, be prepared for anything. Mark my words. We live in dangerous time due to the political climate and those that seek power and control. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, WHO, CDC, Blackrock etc...the globalist agenda is the "Great Reset". Look into it.
The best defense against tyranny is an armed population. I am one of few on here who understands.

Back in the 1990's when I was having my polical awakening, I certainly am not 'Woke'.

I see this, and the mindless attacks on anyone who disagrees. How did nuclear power become green energy. I am not against it. But the same idiots who were protesting it, now think it is great.

Why, because the puppet masters are giving their marching orders to the brain dead idiots who follow this globalist agenda. Money is power( not going to get into a religious debate) but These globalist billionaires are now trying to make more money and therefore the narrative has changed.

I hear you about the prescription drugs.
They are weakening and destroying us.
I have respect for many doctors but most, not mine, don't understand the dangers of all these meds. The opiates are not nearly as bad as benzos, I am on both and stuck. I was told I had a year to live.

That was 2015, no liver transplant, and here I am. I really didn't stop drinking till I got allergic to it. I have cut down on stuff and hesitant to take anything new.
These doctors, I am not talking about opiods, are prescribing all sorts of meds that are nearly impossible to get off, of.
What happens when you can't get any: You know this well from what you wrote.
Also deeply sorry too read about your daughter.

Finally someone on this forum who understands what is going on. I mean in so many areas.
 
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