taking steroids as a skinny guy to speed up progress

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i've always been interested in getting a bad ass body, and with new years coming around, well, you know it's that time. i did my research and stumbled across this article.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

basically, i can only gain 1.5 lb of muscle a month if I train and diet perfectly.

Then it goes to say that steroids will bypass my biological limit and allow me to gain muscles at a much faster rate.

I lurked these forums and read faqs on steroids, and it seems the general consensus is steroids should be used as a way to push you past your peak, not as a way to speed up progress.

But why? convince me why I shouldn't take steroids to get the body I want at a much faster rate. I don't want to wait 1.5 years just to start seeing the results I want.
 
it's not a good idea because you need to learn how to diet, sleep and train properly first of all. get all the basics down and build a foundation. learn what works best for you. also, if you were to just jump into a steroid cycle untrained, you would probably end up getting hurt because your joints, tendons and ligaments can't keep up with the rapid increase in strength. you can also end up with some big ass stretch marks. you will also probably loose most, if not all, of your muscle gains when your roid cycle is done because now you don't know how to eat or lift without steroids. you will put your body through big stress when it's not even worth it yet.... especially when you first start out lifting you can basically gain muscle as quick as a veteran lifter on steroids.
 
breakeven60k said:
i've always been interested in getting a bad ass body, and with new years coming around, well, you know it's that time. i did my research and stumbled across this article.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

basically, i can only gain 1.5 lb of muscle a month if I train and diet perfectly.

Then it goes to say that steroids will bypass my biological limit and allow me to gain muscles at a much faster rate.

I lurked these forums and read faqs on steroids, and it seems the general consensus is steroids should be used as a way to push you past your peak, not as a way to speed up progress.

But why? convince me why I shouldn't take steroids to get the body I want at a much faster rate. I don't want to wait 1.5 years just to start seeing the results I want.
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All steroids will do is enhance the gains you receive from your routine(diet, exercise). If you have no base to work with, it won't make a difference. It would be like 1x2 vs 10x2. Alot of people have a false notion that steroids are like wonder pills. Take some and you'll automatically get big. It just doesn't work out that way.
 
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You need a foundation to work from and steroids won't work unless you diet and train perfectly.

I guarantee if you use steroids you will see results but as soon as you get off the steroids you will shrink because you don't have the proper foundation and conditioning.

Steroids are for people who are 180-200lbs+ at 10% body fat or less looking to blow up and lean out. They aren't for 150lb skinny guys with little to muscle.

Not trying to sound like a dick but that's the way it is. They are meant to enhance what you already have and if you got nothing you are going to see nothing really. Any gains you make could of been made naturally.
 
-Guido- said:
You need a foundation to work from and steroids won't work unless you diet and train perfectly.

I guarantee if you use steroids you will see results but as soon as you get off the steroids you will shrink because you don't have the proper foundation and conditioning.

Steroids are for people who are 180-200lbs+ at 10% body fat or less looking to blow up and lean out. They aren't for 150lb skinny guys with little to muscle.

Not trying to sound like a dick but that's the way it is. They are meant to enhance what you already have and if you got nothing you are going to see nothing really. Any gains you make could of been made naturally.
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But everyone is different. Some people can't make it to 200 lbs naturally. I've seen little guys that are mighty ripped and big for their size but since they don't weigh 180 lbs they shouldn't roid? I'm not understanding why you have to be a certain weight when everyone has different body types with different plateaus
 
lostsoul.On.E said:
But everyone is different. Some people can't make it to 200 lbs naturally. I've seen little guys that are mighty ripped and big for their size but since they don't weigh 180 lbs they shouldn't roid? I'm not understanding why you have to be a certain weight when everyone has different body types with different plateaus
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This will give you an idea of what steroids will do for you if you have no base to work with. Just search, tons of threads on other forums of people who thought they would automatically blow up once on cycle. Steroids aren't going to improve your routine(diet and exercise). If you aren't getting bigger naturally, your not going to get bigger on cycle.



This guy did 700mg a week/test prop for 14 weeks. 14 weeks!!

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The ever popular 6 week dbol only 50mg ED cycle

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Dont do it because the side effects of steroids are not worth it to go from a below average -> average physique. When you are 35 and your HTPA is fucked you better have a great physique to justify what you did to yourself.
That you wont gain on steroids if you cant gain naturally is bullshit - hormones and genetics are everything. As long as you have at least an average diet and workout a little you will gain something on these drugs. Checkout http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 - the group that took 600mg test and did not work out gained more than those that took nothing but worked out.
But again the side effects of steroids are not worth it for that little gain.
 
As long as you know how to eat and train properly then go for it and use some juice. I say as long as you are training properly for at least 1.5 - 2 years and know what your doing then go for it and juice.
And as long as your not some 17 year old idiot who knows nothing about roids.
Don't start until bf is below 12% too imo.
Low bf, at least 20 years old, 1.5+ training experiance, dedication and knowledge of training and aas is what you need before you jump on the juice.
That's my opinion, and only my opinion, I'm sure some will disagree
 
AlmostFamous said:
This guy did 700mg a week/test prop for 14 weeks. 14 weeks!!

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wow. what a waste.... i almost want to say he got fake test...... but some people are just stupid

i wonder what he looked like after post cycle therapy
 
I would advise as well building a good foundation. If you train for some time naturally and with a good diet, your bones become more dense and strong. Tendons become stronger at stretching and your muscles will follow.
Indeed jumping into a cycle is going to be bad . Plus you probably wont have any muscle memory.

Best thing is to do is be on a high protien diet. Take a good nap every day and good nights rest. Work on form and recovery.
I stopped lifting for almost 5 years and i got back into it. My muscle memory kicked in and gained 24lbs in 3months with only body weight lifting program.

naturally building muscle will make your body produce testosterone as it builds muscle.
build a good foundation otherwise your liable to lose all your gains like that wasted cycle in the pictures posted.
 
-Guido- said:
You need a foundation to work from and steroids won't work unless you diet and train perfectly.

I guarantee if you use steroids you will see results but as soon as you get off the steroids you will shrink because you don't have the proper foundation and conditioning.

Steroids are for people who are 180-200lbs+ at 10% body fat or less looking to blow up and lean out. They aren't for 150lb skinny guys with little to muscle.

Not trying to sound like a dick but that's the way it is. They are meant to enhance what you already have and if you got nothing you are going to see nothing really. Any gains you make could of been made naturally.
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^exactly, they enhance or "amplify". this doesn't mean they're useless in newbs, it just dramatically alters the pro's/con's of a cycle. a majority of such ppl would be disappointed (or worse- injured joints/etc). But newbs will absolutely get enhancement, it's just questions of: what they have to enhance (shitty base condition = not much to amplify off the bat); whether they understand how to not injure themselves ie where their limits are(far less likely to have a clue); how much gains they actually keep.
if $ was no object and someone were dedicated enough, being new doesn't render gear useless or inherently unsafe so long as they have a solid grip on their cycle and what it's doing to them, so long as they have entire cycle + pct on-hand before starting, etc.)
 
AlmostFamous said:
This will give you an idea of what steroids will do for you if you have no base to work with. Just search, tons of threads on other forums of people who thought they would automatically blow up once on cycle. Steroids aren't going to improve your routine(diet and exercise). If you aren't getting bigger naturally, your not going to get bigger on cycle.
This guy did 700mg a week/test prop for 14 weeks. 14 weeks!!
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First of all, I am the guy in this picture. The information you have posted is incorrect. My first cycle was 500mg of Test E for 12 wks and 100 mg of Test P every other day for the 2 more weeks. The picture that you posted is only halfway through my cycle. I dropped quite a bit of body fat the first half of the cycle before I started bulking up. I admit I didnt have much of a foundation, but I did alot of research and ran a proper cycle with a strict diet, even stricter workout routine & YES I did run a proper PCT. Here are some pics of me when I first started and some of the final product.
This is the begining and end before pct.
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This is after pct.
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I hate it when people post about shit that they know nothing about. I have completely transformed my build in the past two years with hard work and yes with the help of steroids. I never worked out until I was 27, so I feel like gear helped me make up for lost time. Anything that is not done in moderation is bad, but even steroids can be done responsibly.
 
If that is your build after using steroids you should be ashamed.

You could of achieved that build in 6 months naturally.

Congratulations on becoming the new laughing stock of SD and proving my point. No foundation = shit physique.

Nice gyno by the way.
 
-Guido- said:
If that is your build after using steroids you should be ashamed.

You could of achieved that build in 6 months naturally.

Congratulations on becoming the new laughing stock of SD and proving my point. No foundation = shit physique.

Nice gyno by the way.
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Couldn't have put it better myself Guido..... lol

500mg of test/week, for 12 weeks + 2 weeks of Prop'.... Either he's not eating correctly, not training correctly, or he's got bunk gear, or a combination of all three..??????
 
settinrecordstr8 said:
First of all, I am the guy in this picture. The information you have posted is incorrect. My first cycle was 500mg of Test E for 12 wks and 100 mg of Test P every other day for the 2 more weeks. The picture that you posted is only halfway through my cycle. I dropped quite a bit of body fat the first half of the cycle before I started bulking up. I admit I didnt have much of a foundation, but I did alot of research and ran a proper cycle with a strict diet, even stricter workout routine & YES I did run a proper PCT. Here are some pics of me when I first started and some of the final product.
This is the begining and end before pct.
dec9jake3.jpg

This is after pct.
14wk.jpg


I hate it when people post about shit that they know nothing about. I have completely transformed my build in the past two years with hard work and yes with the help of steroids. I never worked out until I was 27, so I feel like gear helped me make up for lost time. Anything that is not done in moderation is bad, but even steroids can be done responsibly.
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Lol....
 
^that's about my size now with ~7 months of training and eating right. minus the gyno of course. I've modified my diet a bit to a cleaner diet so weight is slow, but strength is increasing steadily along with fat loss. mind you I'm only 22 so natty test gives me an advantage.
 
Alright, the problem as I see it, you take steroids you gain some mass, end of cycle you go back to eating like a little girl, all your mass gains go down the toilet, and you are back at square one.

And guy with the pictures, no leg pics?

EDIT I don't see any gyno there.
 
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