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Taking Speed while on E

Amphet is cool with pills, I did a load last week when I only had 2 pills and some booze and it made the night alot better, the comedown can smack you in the face though.
 
Kandy K said:
You guys have to tweak FIRST, and THEN drop your pill around 30 minutes later.
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no, you roll first and tweak after your comedown. never use meth before or during your roll cuz it ruins the euphoric MDMA peak.
 
AznRaver said:
no, you roll first and tweak after your comedown. never use meth before or during your roll cuz it ruins the euphoric MDMA peak.
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Have you personally ever tried this? Cause I tweaked beforehand and it produced THE MOST intense roll of my life.
 
uh azn raver dude, here's why meth actually increases your roll...

Serotonin and Dopamine are counterbalanced. Normally when you roll you cap out at a certain point because once your body is flooded with serotonin, the neuropathway that commands your brain to produce more serotonin is ignored. So your brain senses that your body is flooded with serotonin and makes no more.

BUT, when you smoke meth you add dopamine into your system. So with the dopamine to counterbalance the serotonin, your body thinks you're still at equilibrium and that alarm to shut down the production of serotonin doesn't go off. So you by-pass that failsafe and increase your roll.

You will however, suffer severe emotional disturbance and craving afterwards. This is a manic episode from the imbalance of serotonin and dopamine. The craving for meth later is the body telling you it needs dopamine to counterbalance the serotonin.
 
wait a second.......i just realized something..........so does this mean if i kept redosing meth every 4 hours or so i'd keep going on and on and on on a roll? wtf.........
 
well...a few years ago i smoked shit (who knows how much) during the day...went to Knott's got on all the rides and when we went back to our hotel room dropped a pill (i think it was a blue MTV maybe?) i rolled off my ass...but when i was downing, i couldn't sleep for shit obviously! i maybe slept like 2 hours total and when i woke up for good the next day i felt twice as shitty as i would if i normally dropped or normally smoked shit. i don't think the shit affected my roll, maybe it intensified it but i don't think so. anyway, i think if you're careful with dosage and you have someone you trust around you, you'll be ok.
 
Kandy K said:
uh azn raver dude, here's why meth actually increases your roll...

Serotonin and Dopamine are counterbalanced. Normally when you roll you cap out at a certain point because once your body is flooded with serotonin, the neuropathway that commands your brain to produce more serotonin is ignored. So your brain senses that your body is flooded with serotonin and makes no more.

BUT, when you smoke meth you add dopamine into your system. So with the dopamine to counterbalance the serotonin, your body thinks you're still at equilibrium and that alarm to shut down the production of serotonin doesn't go off. So you by-pass that failsafe and increase your roll.

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you forgot the time factor. the huge release of serotonin from a roll is what you want from your roll that can last for many hours before your serotonin stores are used up. throwing in meth or anything to release dopamine to counterbalance the serotonin will "lessen" the roll. you may want to do the meth many hours after your roll, but definitely not before or during your roll if you want the highest and most euphoric peak out of your E. have you used coke with E? the coke lessens the roll as well for the same reason.
 
I think it's important to point out the difference between normal speed and methamphetamine. I'm quite happy to drop a few small doses of speed in the first few hours at a club. Gets the air under my feet and instils in me the urge to dance. Later, as the headline DJ's/acts come on and the music starts to speed up, I'll start with a 1/4 or a half and then leave off the speed until I run out of E's or feel tired and don't fancy any more rushes. I think because Meth is so much stronger and longer lasting it might interfere with my E hit, whereas a small hit of speed wears off in an hour or so.
 
AznRaver said:
you forgot the time factor. the huge release of serotonin from a roll is what you want from your roll that can last for many hours before your serotonin stores are used up. throwing in meth or anything to release dopamine to counterbalance the serotonin will "lessen" the roll. you may want to do the meth many hours after your roll, but definitely not before or during your roll if you want the highest and most euphoric peak out of your E. have you used coke with E? the coke lessens the roll as well for the same reason.
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Coke affects dopamine too, but in a different way meth does (changing the flow of your dopamine as opposed to actually adding in dopamine chemicals).
 
Goddammit FUCK meth with E.

Sure, it's kinda nice to dance or whatever, but then you feel twice as bad the next day (everyone has said so). That feeling bad is a very low level of serotonin, which is very bad for you. Also, has anyone ever heard of the ecstasy "loss of magic"? Take your shit with meth and watch the magic dissappear 15x as fast. Simply not worth it.
 
Kandy K said:
Have you personally ever tried this? Cause I tweaked beforehand and it produced THE MOST intense roll of my life.
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How can you even ask me that? many times baby! look at me, registered in nov/99. look for me on pillreports and archives. i was outta BL for a few years in grad school, but i'm back now.

enjoy and do your MDMA first for 3-6 hours and then tweak if you want to. don't ruin your MDMA high with meth or coke, but afterward is fine except the comedown will be a bitch! i prefer Kitty afterwards myself. nothing like a E+K combo except if you add some NOS and vals.
 
I don't know, from my experience, if you do TOO MUCH meth you won't feel the effects of MDMA. But if you take a small amount, maybe 0.2g's 2-3 hours prior to dropping.
 
personally this used to be a favourite back in my raving days . . . the speed would give me extra euphoria (oh, we had great sulphate back then . . . a dab and you were up for hours) and the energy needed to really really dance like crazy, and the e would help me ease the tension from the speed . . . GREAT combo. And I'd still get loved up as hell and totally chatty from the e. But I do think it takes its toll on the body a lot when you're not careful... overheating, dehydrating, racing heart and way roo high to listen to the signals. I loved it but the comedowns were awful and could make me feel slike shit for several days. I also think I'd probably be more energetic these days if I hadn't done that so often. It does take its toll if done too much.
 
Everybody who has done this mix seems to have a really severe crash post-roll that takes a huge toll on the body, emotion, and mind. Is there anybody out there that has not experienced a manic episode afterwards?
 
i didn't...i just felt like SHIT!!! we went to denny's after we left the hotel and i could barely stay awake. my whole body ached and i felt like i wanted to die. i ended up going to a counter strike place with my BF at the time and then went to my best friends house to try and sleep but it didn't work. i went home that night and slept for 2 days straight. bad experience and even though i had fun the night before i felt like shit the next day...learned my lesson the hard way.
 
Hmm. Sometimes my body aches and gets sore after excessive meth use but it's nothing I can't handle. It's the cravings that really get to me. I love sleeping for 24+ hours and shit after being up so long.
 
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