Ok, so this question might seem strange to some in terms of how I do things these days, but here's a brief description of what I do these days in order to avoid using drugs too often:
Basically, my 3 favorite drugs are Kratom, alcohol and Phenibut, and anyone who knows about naltrexone knows that this blocks all 3 of them from having any real pleasurable effect. While I used to binge quite frequently on these and some other drugs, these days I'm practically straight edge like 85% of the time, but the other 15% I like to get fucked up, so over a year ago I decided to get a prescription for 50mg Naltrexone so that I could forcibly induce temporary abstinence in myself, and it's worked very well.
Most days I take Naltrexone, but if I want to use any of these substances I just stop taking it for 3 days so its out of my system, and then I use what I want.
Now with alcohol and phenibut it doesn't matter if the next day you immediately go back on the naltrexone as it will not induce any kind of precipitated withdrawal, but as anyone who knows about this stuff knows, if you are in any way dependent on opioids, of which kratom is one, this will happen.
For this reason I tend to avoid kratom because I don't like to go on binges, just have a day or 2 where I do what I want and then hop right back on the naltrexone, but since that's not so easy with Kratom the only times I'll use it is if I really want to go off the naltrexone for like a week, and then I'll of course use kratom and drink multiple days in a row usually and I don't like that.
So basically the question is: how dependent on Kratom do you need to be to get precipitated withdrawals by taking Naltrexone the next day?
Like, I haven't used Kratom in over 10 months, so I'm obviously not addicted, so could I, for example, take 2-3 gram doses back to back in a day (6 total) and then wake up the next day and even take HALF of my naltrexone, just 25mg, in order to force myself to be sober again and block it, or is that already enough that I'm going to go into precipitated withdrawals?
I mean, 2 doses on a single day doesn't make one dependent right, so wouldn't I be ok?
Or what if we took it one day further and said that I did 2 doses of kratom, 2 days in a row, 12 grams over the course of 2 days: can I wake up and even take half a pill, 25mg of Naltrexone on that 3rd day to end my binging cycle, or would that do something horrible to me and make me feel like I was going through a living hell??
Even 2 days/4 doses wouldn't seem like it would be enough to cause dependence, but I just don't know how this works and if even the littlest bit of Kratom was in my system I'd start feeling horrible.
Note: I also take 2 mgs of Klonopin a day which I KNOW has helped me to not have extremely bad kratom wds in the past so I'd have that to help me.
Normally when I get Kratom WD it lasts 3 days approx., with days 2 and 3 being the worst and I just get very tired and a little depressed with a runny nose and sleep a lot.
And of course, since I know no one can tell me definitively that nothing bad will happen, based on my explanation that essentially at this exact moment (and most of the time) my body is completely opioid naive, if something bad WERE to happen and I felt like shit because after 1-2 days of Kratom use I even took HALF a naltrexone, what kind of symptoms could I expect to happen to me and would it be like, a situation where I'd need to or feel like I wanted to go to the hospital because it felt like I was going through a living hell??
I mean, could that really happen just taking 25mg of Naltrexone after 1-2 days or 2-4 doses of Kratom, or would I most likely just feel kind of shitty, like my usual WD symptoms compounded, which would probably mean I'd just feel really tired??
Cause if anything really bad would happen, as I've always assumed it would, then I either don't take Kratom when I go off my naltrexone if i just want 1 night of drinking or Phenibut, or I would do what I've done in the past when i really wanted to use kratom, which was go off the naltrexone, use kratom for however long, and then I go 5 days in a row without either kratom or naltrexone before going back on the naltrexone, because I know that Kratom really doesn't last in my system more than 5 days, and every time I have done that I've been fine.
Thanks.
Basically, my 3 favorite drugs are Kratom, alcohol and Phenibut, and anyone who knows about naltrexone knows that this blocks all 3 of them from having any real pleasurable effect. While I used to binge quite frequently on these and some other drugs, these days I'm practically straight edge like 85% of the time, but the other 15% I like to get fucked up, so over a year ago I decided to get a prescription for 50mg Naltrexone so that I could forcibly induce temporary abstinence in myself, and it's worked very well.
Most days I take Naltrexone, but if I want to use any of these substances I just stop taking it for 3 days so its out of my system, and then I use what I want.
Now with alcohol and phenibut it doesn't matter if the next day you immediately go back on the naltrexone as it will not induce any kind of precipitated withdrawal, but as anyone who knows about this stuff knows, if you are in any way dependent on opioids, of which kratom is one, this will happen.
For this reason I tend to avoid kratom because I don't like to go on binges, just have a day or 2 where I do what I want and then hop right back on the naltrexone, but since that's not so easy with Kratom the only times I'll use it is if I really want to go off the naltrexone for like a week, and then I'll of course use kratom and drink multiple days in a row usually and I don't like that.
So basically the question is: how dependent on Kratom do you need to be to get precipitated withdrawals by taking Naltrexone the next day?
Like, I haven't used Kratom in over 10 months, so I'm obviously not addicted, so could I, for example, take 2-3 gram doses back to back in a day (6 total) and then wake up the next day and even take HALF of my naltrexone, just 25mg, in order to force myself to be sober again and block it, or is that already enough that I'm going to go into precipitated withdrawals?
I mean, 2 doses on a single day doesn't make one dependent right, so wouldn't I be ok?
Or what if we took it one day further and said that I did 2 doses of kratom, 2 days in a row, 12 grams over the course of 2 days: can I wake up and even take half a pill, 25mg of Naltrexone on that 3rd day to end my binging cycle, or would that do something horrible to me and make me feel like I was going through a living hell??
Even 2 days/4 doses wouldn't seem like it would be enough to cause dependence, but I just don't know how this works and if even the littlest bit of Kratom was in my system I'd start feeling horrible.
Note: I also take 2 mgs of Klonopin a day which I KNOW has helped me to not have extremely bad kratom wds in the past so I'd have that to help me.
Normally when I get Kratom WD it lasts 3 days approx., with days 2 and 3 being the worst and I just get very tired and a little depressed with a runny nose and sleep a lot.
And of course, since I know no one can tell me definitively that nothing bad will happen, based on my explanation that essentially at this exact moment (and most of the time) my body is completely opioid naive, if something bad WERE to happen and I felt like shit because after 1-2 days of Kratom use I even took HALF a naltrexone, what kind of symptoms could I expect to happen to me and would it be like, a situation where I'd need to or feel like I wanted to go to the hospital because it felt like I was going through a living hell??
I mean, could that really happen just taking 25mg of Naltrexone after 1-2 days or 2-4 doses of Kratom, or would I most likely just feel kind of shitty, like my usual WD symptoms compounded, which would probably mean I'd just feel really tired??
Cause if anything really bad would happen, as I've always assumed it would, then I either don't take Kratom when I go off my naltrexone if i just want 1 night of drinking or Phenibut, or I would do what I've done in the past when i really wanted to use kratom, which was go off the naltrexone, use kratom for however long, and then I go 5 days in a row without either kratom or naltrexone before going back on the naltrexone, because I know that Kratom really doesn't last in my system more than 5 days, and every time I have done that I've been fine.
Thanks.