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Taking LSD when terminally ill

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Ismene

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Been reading a book called "The human encounter with death" about giving LSD to terminally ill people back in 1972 to try and relieve their pain and anxiety. However, most of the people seem to be inexperienced with psychedelics. How would you feel about taking LSD when close to or actually at the point of death like Aldous Huxley? Do you think it would be a positive thing or would you feel regret that this was the last time you would ever get to trip?
 
There is some research going on with psilocybin mushrooms about dealing with anxieties and accepting death... But if I understand correctly, you're talking about actually physically dying.

This is my personal opinion and there's not much research done on it, but there is speculation that large quantities of DMT are released when a person dies, or is close to dying. I would tend to find these speculations quite reasonable, since DMT is present in the body.

Also, DMT trip reports will quite often bear the imagery of NDEs, alien abductions and similar powerful events that some people claim to have experienced.

I guess, taking LSD to your death? I don't know, I'd probably ask you, do you want to mix those two experiences into one?
 
I thought there was some recent research that disputed whether there actually was DMT present in the human body, I have seen this statement that DMT is found in the brain referred to by the alternate community for years now but seem to remember reading somewhere in the last few months that said it was all hogwash.

does anyone know about this ?
 
i think theres some current research using mdma to help terminally ill patients come to terms with their mortality also..

personally i probably wouldnt want to trip too close to death.. but ive tripped enough in my life. perhaps if i had never done it before i would be opened to it, but at this point i dont think it would be that useful to me on my deathbed..
 
Well, it's not about doing it when they're going out, but in their time of dying... which means over an extended period of time. I guess the idea is for people to come to terms with their death and embrace it, having those last moments on Earth as peaceful and positive as possible, instead of drenched in fear and panic.
 
but at this point i dont think it would be that useful to me on my deathbed..

You wouldn't want your final taste of life to be psychedelic?

Also, DMT trip reports will quite often bear the imagery of NDEs,

I think the whole "DMT released at death" theory is a load of shit that Rick Strassman dreamed up. NDE's are nothing like DMT trips. Most NDE's are about "Floating in darkness to a single tunnel of light". DMT trips are a psychedelic maelstrom of intense colour.
 
When I die I want to be on ketamine and LSD

If I found out I was dying now, and then had one last chance to take LSD, I would probably have a bad trip. However, if I was somebody who had never experimented with psychedelics and was going to die, and tried it, I'd imagine it would help me come to terms with death and I believe (as it already has) it would show me that there is more to everything than what we see on a normal day to day basis.

I think that in the right setting it would be a positive thing for terminally ill patients who go into it with the mindset that it's going to help.
 
webbykevin said:
does anyone know about this ?
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It's an oldy, but as far as I know has not been discredited or anything...
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I think the whole "DMT released at death" theory is a load of shit that Rick Strassman dreamed up. NDE's are nothing like DMT trips. Most NDE's are about "Floating in darkness to a single tunnel of light". DMT trips are a psychedelic maelstrom of intense colour.
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You should do the research mate, or have you actually experienced multiple NDE's?
In all of our (I'm speaking for the whole group now) DMT trips, there was a lot of white light, energy beings, out-of-body experiences, visits to other universes, etc.
All stuff that is mentioned in The Lancet and other respected scientific journals that actually did some real research into the phenomenon of NDE's.

After diving in a little deeper, THIS abstract really makes me wanna know more about the subject...
Never knew that 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT are also endogeneous compounds.
Anyone got access to the full article by any chance? :)
 
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After 2 close calls with the grim reaper, I'll just ask to leave me alone and let me sleep.


The last close call (bacterial meningitis) I could hear the doctors telling my wife "if theres anybody he needs to say goodbye to now the time to call them".

5 days later, of the 3 people admitted to hospital with bacterial meningitis that night only 2 walked out the door.




So I really have little fear of dying, just limit the pain is all I ask.
 
Woah, wellDuh... Thats quite a crazy experience. Congratulations on battling it.
 
Wikipedia's reliability depends. You should check the sources.

I honestly couldn't say if I'd want to be tripping when close to death or just before it. It sounds good, but how could you know? You can't go back and do it again.
 
You should do the research mate, or have you actually experienced multiple NDE's?


The book that started the NDE thing was called "Life after life" by Ray Moody. I read it years ago and I can't remember any of the NDE's sounding like a DMT trip.

In all of our (I'm speaking for the whole group now) DMT trips, there was a lot of white light, energy beings, out-of-body experiences, visits to other universes, etc.

I think the main feature of a DMT trip for just about everyone with their eyes closed would be an explosion of colour and complex geometric patterns. Not floating down a dark tunnel to a single white light. Most researches think Ketamine is more like a NDE than DMT but to be honest I wouldn't say Ketamine is much like one either.
 
ok guys, here is the deal.

With the whole DMT in the brain stuff.....

It was simply a hypothesis that strassman came up with.

It has not had much of anything done to prove or disprove though.


What happenned is that over the last few years lots of people have started to point out to people that "DMT in the brain" IS ONLY A HYPOTHESIS/THEORY that strassman hypothesized based on NO physical proof other than that the chemicals / and process required to produce DMT all exist in the human brain.

it has not been disproved, we are just trying to stop a hypothesis from becoming talked about as FACT.

Thats all, hasnt been proved one way or another, hasent even tried to be proved one way or another to my knowledge....
 
I thought it had been proved that DMT was present in the human body but as for Strassmans theories that "It's the pineal gland that produces it" and "It's produced at death" - all that was supposition with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
 
Ismene said:
I thought it had been proved that DMT was present in the human body but as for Strassmans theories that "It's the pineal gland that produces it" and "It's produced at death" - all that was supposition with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
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As far as I know, this is the full story.
 
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