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Taking Kratom after Percocet

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soulstorm_9901

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Hi all, sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

If someone who has moderate opiod tolerance (up to about 250mg per day, about 45-50mg several timesxday) took 45mg of Percocet at 12pm would there be any effect taking a couple of 00 caps of Kratom at say 2pm? First time Kratom user by the way. Are there dangers as far as sending the person into a w/d like taking a sub would? I'm sorry if this is a silly question but I really don't know and would like some opinions from some folks who have some experience.



Thank you for any input.
 
you probably wouldn't feel a thing even if you had no opiate tolerance from a couple of 00 caps, unless it's an extract. 00 caps hold about .5 grams IIRC of kratom, generally i have to take 12-16.

250mg of oxycodone a day is a fairly high tolerance, i doubt you'll get anything from kratom unless you are in withdrawal. You won't get put into withdrawal from it but it may kill your oxycodone high. Kratom doesn't mix well with other opiates really.
 
Thank you for the response. I picked some up because I'm planning on stopping the Percs. I've never used it before so was going to experiment with a capsule or two just to make sure I didn't have some reaction to it or something. I'm kinda scared. I've also got a bunch of Loperamide and I'm ready to use that to help with the W/D symptoms. I don't want to go into a detox and be given Methadone or Subs to trade one for the other. I actually did the detox inpatient for 5 days a few months back and thought that maybe I had made a bad decision since I've only been using the percocet for several months even though I'm taking a lot of it lately. I felt fine while in detox and when I got out I felt fine too.. so fine that I went right back to taking some percocets (albeit much less than before the detox) and now I'm back to taking way too much again. I'm ready to be done and looking to take the edge off of the w/d.

I also wanted to maybe stretch the recent perc dose I took a little longer so I wouldn't wake up tomorrow morning with the chills which has been happening for the last couple of weeks. :(

Thanks for the reply again.
 
The stuff I have is just Thai Caps.. I won't post the source since I'm not sure if it's against the rules. But again, just hoping to take the edge off w/d for the few days when it will be rough. I've also got a couple of Clonadine patches and some kpins if needed.

Thank you
 
^did you buy the caps at a headshop or online? if you bought pre-filled capsules id assume your shit is fake. all the good vendors, and vendors online, usually sell bulk powder, and not just a few caps like you are describing. you got ripped off bro...
 
Yeah I bought them online. The place I used seemed to be recommended by some others. Is it forbidden to speak about these sites?

If I did get ripped off it wasn't for much. I bought a small order to test the waters just in case heh.
 
^Yes it is but don't buy capsules online. Here's how to do it, buy 300g (it's pretty cheap, thai's are stimulating, bali is sedating, maeng da stimulating) buy several thousand capsules (pretty cheap) and make your own. Doses range from 8-12 grams for most people and you can use different strains to treat whatever symptoms you're feeling, for me fatigue is a big issue so i use stimulating strains but also had sedating strains as well. Kratom and loperamide always got me through opiate dependency/addiction, from poppy seed tea, to oxycodone or hydromorphone.

The combo of the two is enough to eliminate the large majority of withdrawal symptoms. Eventually you'll become dependent on loperamide and kratom but the withdrawals are easier to deal with for various reasons, so as you start to feel better on them, start to taper them slowly. It was relatively painless for me except for the PAWS (post acute withdrawal symptoms) which mostly included fatigue, feeling like shit in general, bit of restless legs, insomnia, anxiety, bowel issues but overall it was much better than quitting cold turkey, by far.

The hard part is getting down that much kratom especially in acute withdrawals, but those only last like a week, after that kratom is great, you'll feel a ton of relief with loperamide.

good luck on quitting; it sucks really bad but there is a light at the end of the tunnel and i'm glad i'm out of the opiate cycle now. I still crave opiates badly and if they were right in front of me they'd be in my body but i know that it just sucks being an opiate addict and i don't want to go that route again.

the capsules are probably legit but they are just insanely over priced.
 
Thanks for the info bro! I'll go ahead and order some. I did some snooping and think I found a decent source. I've got a plan and the things I need for the Lope. I'm feeling pretty positive and I'm honestly not a shivering mess even the day after I take Oxy but the last couple of weeks I've had night sweats and been cold in the morning so I know I've got some W/D headed my way. I'm confident in the lope alone to take enough edge off to be able to cope. I have no desire to get myself into a Kratom habit after this heh.. I did enjoy the Perc buzz but I've gotten my tolerance too high and need to chill a while. I've done lots of research on the lope and it should be just the ticket for me.

Also got plenty of B12 liquid, DL-Phenylaline etc.. feeling pretty good about it. I'll keep posting my status as it goes. Maybe there's a different forum for that if the mods decide to move this post there. Should be interesting to document the process as it goes. I'm gonna keep close track of what I take and when.. etc. Maybe it'll be of some comfort to someone else going through a similar situation.

Have a great weekend!
 
usually a blog is best suited for documenting such things but since you're still a greenlighter i don't think you have access to one. Nevertheless we could use more stories of people coming off opiates successfully around here, so do let us know how things pan out.

In case you didn't know you can order loperamide online for insanely cheap. Lope will help with the physical withdrawal the most and kratom is more for the time after that as it really helps suppress opiate cravings, and you can use it for a few weeks without fucking yourself over. Just beware that lope and kratom will prolong the withdrawal but at the same time make it much more bearable and easy to adjust to your new opiate free life. I'm hoping you can get through it as painless as i did. Good luck and stay positive.
 
Thanks again for the encouragement. Tomorrow will be Day 1 of the lope. Does anyone know if they sell it in liquid form that doesn't contain a bunch of additives that I don't really want? I'd had to chug a bottle of the liquid Immodium and comsume all of the extra stuff they may add for suspension etc. OR am I wrong and it's the same deal as swallowing all of the caps? Finding a way to get the required dosage without having to eat 25-40 pills would be great, although I'll be stuck doing exactly that at least at first.

As far as prolonging the w/d, I'm ok with that and I'm planning on a regimen which includes a taper from the lope after about a week or two when the Perc demons should be at bay.

Thanks!

PS: Also have a question about my liquid B12 and DL-Phenylaline and vitamins. When should I take these? Morning before my lope regimien? I'll likely take them twice a day so I'm assuming AM/PM but I'm wondering if it makes any difference when I take them in relation to the cimetidine and the lope?
 
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Psychedelic Jay said:
Be carefull, kratom does have antagonist alkaloids in it...
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Forgive the silly question but what does that mean for me? What should I be watching out for? Thanks for the info. I know little to nothing about Kratom and at this point will be doing this with just the lope and vitamins/supplements.
 
it means you may feel shitty as kratom has some alkaloids that do the opposite of what an opioid does. However, in kratom, there's a good balance between opioid agonist and antagonist alkaloids, generally doesn't cause any issues. If anything that's what makes kratom special and keeps tolerance at bay and stops people from overdosing on it or having respiratory depression.

Whatever's in kratom is not strong enough to cause precipitated withdrawals, so in general, it's not a huge concern but something to keep in mind when mixing kratom with other opiates at the same time.
 
RobotRipping said:
it means you may feel shitty as kratom has some alkaloids that do the opposite of what an opioid does. However, in kratom, there's a good balance between opioid agonist and antagonist alkaloids, generally doesn't cause any issues. If anything that's what makes kratom special and keeps tolerance at bay and stops people from overdosing on it or having respiratory depression.

Whatever's in kratom is not strong enough to cause precipitated withdrawals, so in general, it's not a huge concern but something to keep in mind when mixing kratom with other opiates at the same time.
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Oh yes it is... Dose ridiculously like an amateur and watch what happens. Full blown precipitated withdrawal...
 
Ahhh so that's what he was warning me about.. precip w/d. Yeah would be bad. I think I'll honestly just stick with the lope and vitamins for a while. If I end up having crazy cravings I'll start thinking about the kratom but I genuinely don't want any pills! And I'm just now having some w/d coming on. I'd still rather suffer with them than take any perc.

Thanks guys
 
This thread is actually turning into a lope for opiod w/d thread, or it will shortly. Not sure if the mods want to, or can, rename it.
 
Day 1 – Sunday 05/12/13:
• Woke up at 2:30 pm (I was up really late!) I was having cold sweats a bit per usual as of late. I took a shower and then took 400mg of Cimetidine. (I know it says to take 800 but I just wanted to take 2)
• At first I took only 2 Lopes with 50/50 Grapefruit juice and Tonic water (just wanted to make sure I wasn’t allergic) at 3:20pm. It’s funny because I almost immediately felt better so that part must’ve been placebo lol.
• I took another 8 caps at 3:50 pm making 20mg total – another 4 caps at 4:00 pm ( was feeling decent and just wanted to keep upping until I felt good).
• Started playing WoW (which I’ve only felt like doing when on percs for the last 6 months – weird)
• Took another 5 caps at 5:14pm, still trying to find a good comfort zone. It’s not bad at all though. I’m up to 38mg. **currently the cold sweats are gone, I feel the tiniest of chills and I mean barely, could just be cold outside (app says 60 so it’s not exactly warm). Very VERY vague muscle aches. I’m assuming that I should probably take aprox 50mg of lope as my daily dose to feel the most comfort from it. Today is experimental day. Cravings? None to speak of. I’m sure if I took some percs I’d feel more normal than I do now but it’s definitely nothing I can’t deal with until I find the best dose of lope.
• Took 1ML of liquid B12 sublingual at 5:15pm
• So it’s 10:45pm and I don’t feel great but it’s a fraction of what I should be feeling near the 24 hour mark historically...I'm a little colder than I should be but still no shivers or anything that extreme. I will up my dosage to aprox 40-50mg of Lope tomorrow in the morning in hopes that it does a little more for me. My tolerance to perc has been pretty high recently so I’m sure I’ll need more lope to cover all of those hungry little receptors.
• I haven’t had much appetite today at all, ate a little bit but not much. I’ll try to do a better job of that tomorrow. I’ve been pushing fluids like tea and water and I’ve been urinating like mad all day long.
• 24 hours is about in the books. I’ll post again tomorrow.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Oh yes it is... Dose ridiculously like an amateur and watch what happens. Full blown precipitated withdrawal...
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well i've never heard of that happening but i'm not going to experiment myself with it, i'll take your word for it. I would think you would get sick long before the antagonism would be an issue. High dose kratom = eye wiggles, extreme nausea and dysphoria. Not like a withdrawal though.
 
Day 2 – Monday 05/13/13:
(Some random notes about last night… I took .5 mg of Xanax to sleep because I was feeling a little agitated, put me right out and I do have some benzo tolerance, I take kpins about 3 times per week. I slept fairly well, tossed and turned just a little bit and woke up having to urinate multiple times, for some reason I’m pissing like a race horse. But what I DID notice was ZERO night sweats.. not one drop and that my friends tells me that the lope is working while I sleep because it’s been weeks since I’ve slept and not drenched the bed and woke up freezing.)
• Finally made myself get out of bed for good at 11:00am, feeling just a lil chilly, not cold but breezy which isn’t too bad. No cravings for anything other than some more sleep as I’m still groggy. Took my cimetidine and hopped in the shower.
• I took 40mg of lope at 11:50 am. I’m taking a larger dose at once today in hopes that I don’t need to fiddle around with it until this evening. Drinking my 50/50 Grapefruit juice / Tonic Water cocktail. Wish me luck.
• Was pretty busy today and felt pretty decent. I didn’t dose any more lope but I still feel like maybe I could up the dose to 50mg tomorrow and see if it would take just a little bit more of the edge off. It’s 2:00am and I just took a Kpin about 30 mins ago and I’m feeling pretty good and I feel like I’m going to sleep well. And I’m confident that I won’t have the night sweats and cold chills in the morning and that’s a very comforting feeling for me. I’m hoping that tomorrow is that much better than today as today was from yesterday.
• I ate a little more today than yesterday but I’m still not eating much, I have to try and get some more food in me. My liquid intake has been really good and the color of my urine has turned to a more normal transparent color as opposed to the dark yellow/brown that it’s been for months.
• Thanks all! Day 2 in the books!
 
I have been purchasing 50X caps from head shops and have had decent results. However, after seeing your post, I am curious as to what you get...should I be purchasing a certain extract in the store or online and capping it myself? If so, what do you recommend I look for?
 
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