Taking both L-Glutamine & GABA

[Reminisant B]

Seems a good place to post this. If I had seen this without seeing who was selling it I would have considered it unscientifc marketing (it still might be) but was surprised it was being sold by what was thought a reputable company. [EDIT] Me thinks my view was slightly wrong on review

Since GABA does not cross the blood-brain barrier very well, virtually all of the GABA found in the brain is manufactured there. This implies that supplemental GABA would not increase levels of GABA in the brain. That appears to be the case with synthetic GABA, but not with PharmaGABA™ which is naturally manu factured from Lactobacillus hilgardii - the bacteria used to ferment vegetables in the preparation of the traditional Korean dish known as kimchi.

Unlike synthetic GABA, PharmaGABA™ appears to cross the blood brain barrier to produce re-laxation. Like L-theanine, PharmaGABA™ in creases brain alpha waves and lowers beta- waves. However, it is more powerful in this action compared to L-theanine, hence, its effects are a bit more noticeable.

On the ingredients it just lists mostly sugars and GABA 200mg. (^apparantely not synthetic though)

Do anyone know what form it might be in? Possibly a protein which contains GABA?

Of course it could all be rubbish. If gaba has been modified in any way (e.g phenibut) it no longer becomes GABA and if in the form of a protein - surely it should be labelled as such. Strange.

 

[jasoncrest]

^^^^That's very interesting....

"That appears to be the case with synthetic GABA, but not with natural GABA in the form of PharmaGABA - a special form of GABA naturally manufactured from Lactobacillus hilgardii – the bacteria used to ferment vegetables in the preparation of the traditional Korean dish known as kimchi."

They say... But I don't see how synthetic GABA would be any different from GABA manufactured from a bacteria...
Unless it is not GABA but a derivative.... Or maybe this "Lactobacillus hilgardii" contains other stuff in it that makes the GABA able to cross the BBB.

Anyway it is very interesting. I wish there was more information available on this.....

is mirtazapine works any good?

I find Mirtazapine is a great medication.
It is maybe the best antidepressant, very fast acting (within 5 days instead of 2 weeks like Prozac); and it is very useful if you suffer from insomnia, and also helps with anxiety, eventhough taken alone, by itself, it wouldn't be enough to cure anxiety.

The only problem is that it makes you hungry all the time...
You can easily gain 10-20 pounds in the first months of Mirtazapine treatment....

 

[Boiling in Acid]

^thank you man!! shit, wight gain is an issue as i already went from 60 kg to 85 kg in a few months without drugs & am fat now, but i probably may\will try it some time or another as i have a good feeling through this anti depressant (i tried it for a few days in rehab, don't remember much from it... until the personal cetched me making a very strong (claimed ubusable tea ''chifir'') & forced discontinued it (motherfuckers.)

i added magnesium +b6 + b complex to my GABA supplementation & it seems to work better btw!

 

[swilow]

The only problem is that it makes you hungry all the time...
You can easily gain 10-20 pounds in the first months of Mirtazapine treatment....

Yeah, I', pretty skinny by nature, but I packed it on with those things. I actually really don't like them, I thought they had that sedating anti-histamine effect to them. Though I may just try them again. What is a good dose for anxiety? I want off zoloft so I can use MAOI's.

BTW, that is weird to get kicked out of rehab for basically drinking black tea...I guess if its strong eneough you might feel a 'hypnotic' effect from the l-Theanine....

 

[Boiling in Acid]

^i didn't say iv'e been kicked out of it. i said they cut me off the medicines (i started to take them being there, as i seeked anything to relax me while\after w\d'ng cold turkey from benzos..), so they cut me off the mirtazapine... they used it just for reason cuz they are crazy motherfuckers which think to take meds is like to use drugs...

the tea is about caffeine, not l-theanine, you boil it in a way that breaks down the ingredients that extend the effects of caffeine in tea (it's kinda SR, in tea, milder & longer, so you make it IR!), you use like 10 grams of tea per cup, & drink it without sugar... the result is mild stimulation...

 

[thebody]

anyone wondering whether to take l-glutamine i say try it, it is one of my favourite of all supplements there is, i do not get colds while i take and feel a lot healthier, you only need 5 grams a day as well.

now if you have trouble with the combo mentioned above, drop the gaba, but still try the l-glutamine, it is really good for health, i do a bit of training and add glutamine to my whey protein shake and it keeps me recovering very fast, glutamine is a supplement i recommend, there are quite a few people who use it to keep away the colds http://bodybuildingforumuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12&sid=fcf50fc59ed3730a1a9f7f8780ab6975

 

[Tussmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfRVCaA5o18

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[Neuroborean]

Seems a good place to post this. If I had seen this without seeing who was selling it I would have considered it unscientifc marketing (it still might be) but was surprised it was being sold by what was thought a reputable company. [EDIT] Me thinks my view was slightly wrong on review



On the ingredients it just lists mostly sugars and GABA 200mg. (^apparantely not synthetic though)

Do anyone know what form it might be in? Possibly a protein which contains GABA?

Of course it could all be rubbish. If gaba has been modified in any way (e.g phenibut) it no longer becomes GABA and if in the form of a protein - surely it should be labelled as such. Strange.

For me 1-2 grams of GABA, without tolerance, creates a very non-placebo relaxation that sometimes ends up in sedation and good sleep, so the "doesn't cross the BBB" stuff seems pretty bogus to me, and even if it's true there's GABA receptors in other parts of the body and that perhaps means that if you have GABA hitting those receptors more endogenous GABA it's able to stay in the brain. Not sure if it works like that, to be honest, but for me it's very clear, GABA does something to me subjectively in high dosages.