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Syringes for Ketamine.

I'll do that. My step-father is a diabetic, so if they ask why I need them, that will be a good excuse.
Thanks!
- Crush 15
I'll be the guy with the phat pantz and glowstix.
 
even better...just steal some of his syringes...provided they aren't prepped up and filled with insulin already...i have a friend who's diabetic and he gets a pack of sterile syringes with the insulin in a seperate vial...insulin syringes are perfect for IM injections...
 
well technically, you need a 3 cc syringe since the k-holing dose is near or above the 1 cc line... you will not be able to do two shots so really 1 cc may not be big enough.
however.. these are not used by diabetics, so the pharmacy will be *much* more hardcore if you ask for a 3cc syringe than if you asked for insulin needles.
i forget what the ones you want are *exactly*... i think it was 28 gauge (ultra fine), 100 units (1 cc), long (needle). you need the right length too, since they come as small as 3/8", which is not deep enough for IM; you need the long kind, which i *think* is 7/8".
remember, these are not for you. get someone who's *sure* to post the exact details. then write it down and say someone sent you to get them. you will not be able to answer any hardcore questions, so pretend that all you know is what you have written down, and if they ask anything more, you have no idea. it's not *that* bad.. we had a diabetic dog, and it never seemed to be problems getting needles...
btw, especially with ultra-fines, when they say 'use once and destroy' they mean it. the tips on those things will get blunted a lot by going into muscle *once* and reusing them will cause a lot more soreness and bruising.
 
and yeah the insulin ones do work but k is much nicer above 1 cc.. and you're not supposed to fill the barrel completely anyway.. you can pull the plunger out easily and it will SUCK..(well not that bad, the liquid actually stays in the barrel)
 
I disagree, 1cc of good K can tear you up. If nothing else, use two and inject the second one before you feel the first one. It takes a few minutes to kick in. I can do it while pretty far gone, but I certainly don't recommend it. The length doesn't really matter, injecting into a layer of fat achieves the same results, but if you don't believe me, I'm sure there's a few places where the muscle tissue is really close to the skin. Remember to inject slow to avoid soreness, and get most of the air out of the needle. Injecting K is much preferred to snorting. Injesting is out of the question.
 
Thanks for the information, everyone.
GoodCorruption, sorry, but I can't steal from anyone.
I'm going shopping today and I'll probably just ask for the insulin syringes. Like posted earlier, a 3cc syringe with a longer, fine gauge needle might be preferable... but I don't want to go into the drug store asking questions. I want to know what I'm looking for. If anyone can post exactly what I should be asking for, before I leave to go shopping, I will get the other syringes.
Thanks again, everyone... I'll try and post how things turned out.
- Crush 14
I'll be the guy with the phat pantz and glowstix.
 
1 cc will tear you up but it's not the most k can give you... you'll need 125-150 mg for that... so.. if you want to see the maximum possibilities you will need something bigger.
but like i said, it's more difficult to get those.
you *might* be able to pre-load two with half the dose (like 65 mg in each) and do them both quickly, right after one another (in different areas, like both thighs)..
 
for IM injection I would recommend a larger gauge needle then those used for IV (commonly 29gauge). Although you can use insulin syringes if you really want to...
However, 21-23 gauge is ideal for IM injections.
I find the best results with ketamine IM in the deltoid muscle. Insert the needle all the way in with a quick jab at a 90 degree angle. draw back a little bit... no blood should enter the syringe. if this is the case you are good to go. then administer very very slowly.
With ketamine I prefer IM injection over IV. Ketamine IV is very intense, but also very short. IM lasts longer.
(100)mg is a pretty standard IM dose. Although depending on your tolerence you might want to do 125-150... or maybe even a little more depending on how far down the rabbit's hole you wish to go.
For the ketastellar cosmonaut who wants to fall in a hole for more then the far too short 30 minute time frame... here is a suggestion.
Inject 100-200mg (user preference) IM
Now, weigh out another 300mg or so. Dissolve this in water. Draw this into a needleless syringe. As you start to feel the beginning effects of the ketamine, lie on your back with your legs in the air, insert the syringe into you anus, and give yourself an enema with the ketamine/water solution. keep your ass in the air for another 5 minutes or so, and then you can relax (ohhh, yeah... dont fart. thats a waste of a perfectly good ketamine)
The results are as follows.
You will get the intensity of the IM injection, and the duration of rectal administration... which is usually 2-3 hours.
Have fun.
-muschi
 
Hold on!!! Stop the truck!!!
There are 2 things in this thread that I really don't like. First of all, be sure to quantify the # of mg/cc you are talking about when you deal with Ketamine. Yes, we usually deal with 100mg/ml vials but that is by no means always the case. It is much more specific to talk about the # of mgs you are injecting, this will insure everyone is on the same page.
Second, this business of NEEDING over 100mg of K to get "A k-whole" or the full effect is just plain wrong and I'm sorry, but an irresponsible statement. I have done a lot of k (and administered a lot of K to others) and when I first began my initial self-experimentation I did something not too many users have the patience to do: I started with a very small injection - 20mg (.2ml of 100ml/mg solution)... then, over the course of many weeks I slowly titrated my dose up by and additional 10mg each injection. So basically my first few experiences with Ketamine contained 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, 50mg, 60mg... so forth and so on respectively up to and over dosages of 120mg.
This proved to be a fantastic approach to the drug as it allowed me to become familiar with ketamine's effects over the full dose range - in a manner few take the time to do. What I found in MY case (and of course everyone's effects/reactions are going to differ) is that I began to fully dissociate around about the 60-70mg dose. At 80mg I was MOST CERTAINLY dissociating in full (As in, I had the distinct feeling of leaving my body, could barely move, couldn't talk, and just sat and stared at my computer screen, until it finally wore off and I was awakened to "Returning" to my body by the sudden sensation of feeling my hands resting on my lap).
Above this dose I continued to titrate up, but now in only 5mg amounts. At any rate, my personal findings were that above 90mg all I was achieving was more of a horrible come down after the "K-hole", and more of a sickning hangover. Even now after building up a considerable amount of tolerance, I never feel the need to inject over 100mg. A good chart to use as reference when planning out your first few IM ketamine adventures is in Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml
Become familiar with these charts, as they represent fantastic guides.
Guys, please be cautious about recommending such high dosages to people, especially when talking to potential IM ketamine newbies. The lesson I learned from my friend who went into a full on state of shock from a mere 20mg IM injection is especially relevant here! (consequently he now HATES even the idea of injecting K, and would not ever consider trying it again). Ketamine is a wonderful drug, but total dissociation can be a very VERY scary thing, especially if you are new to it. Approach IM Ketamine with respect and conservatism, and properly prepare yourself mentally for the experience of dissociation - do this and you will "Discover" Ketamine in a fantastically wonderful way.
Goodluck!
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- Paraphrase on Voltaire
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
- Dr. Johnson
"We do not sense imagination enough to sense what we are missing."
-Jean Toomer
 
I once said this under a different screen name, so I'll say it again. Wasn't that long ago (1998) that ketamine was being used on humans as an anesthetic, or as an induction agent for anesthesia. I recently came across an older copy of a medication handbook that had this to say, "Ketamine should ONLY (that's how it was printed in the book) be administered by a physcian or under the direct supervision of a physcian who is trained and expirenced in maintaining an open airway, and cardioplumonary resuscitation. You should also have resuscitative equipment nearby." Basically, if you do too much too soon, it won't be a near death experience, but a complete death experience. It's totally up to you folks, but I'll just keep on snortin'. It has never failed me yet.
 
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