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Health Syrian Rue for medicinal purposes

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green_tree_frog

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Hello-

I'm new here. I'm interested in using syrian rue for getting rid of parasites. I don't mind some other psychedelic effects but I have read that it has been used to get rid of parasites, as well.

Does anyone know which chemical components are used for the anti-parasite medicinal effects? Is it the same components that are used for tripping or psychedelic effects?

I'm wondering if it's better to use the whole seeds or the extract? The whole seeds may have some chemical that is useful for anti-parasite usage.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
what kind of parasite are you talking about?

i would suggest talking to a licensed physician before you try using herbal remedies that are steeped in wives tales, myth, or worse-- religion.
 
I'm pretty experienced with medicinal herbs. It's not about an old wives tale here.

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Antileishmanial activity of Peganum harmala extract on the in vitro
growth of Leishmania major promastigotes in comparison to a
trivalent antimony drug

Mohammad Mirzaie1*, Seyyed Jafar Nosratabadi2, Amin Derakhshanfar1,
and Iraj Sharifi2

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I'm sort of surprised someone here would be suggesting going to a licensed physician & insinuating that herbs are about old wives tales...
 
how do you know you have parasites?

how do you know you have the specific parasites that can be treated with syrian rue?

all i'm saying is be careful
 
Thanks. I have been ill for a long time.

The parasites I have may have something to do with babesia. It is a co-infection of Lyme Disease. Most regular doctors have very little experience with parasites & Lyme Disease in the US (& probably in other places around the world). Parasites are alot more common than most people realize - even in the West.

There are many studies on PubMed about Syrian Rue. I'm interested in the medicinal properties of this herb.

I figured people here would have experience with it...
 
I think while you're at it you might as well take ayahuasca. And perhaps mescaline containing medicines.
 
By the way, what are your symptoms? I had a lyme scare last year, but it turned out it was just rheumatoid arthritis (whoopee, right?). So I have accumulated some knowledge and books about treating Lyme with herbs. I also have been leaning more and more toward the perspective of the disease as a psycho-spiritual one, despite the fact that it appears to be an external parasite.

Please PM me if you want some information/personal experience/a book recommendation on this

EDIT: Oops, I realize you're a Greenlighter. We'll talk here.
 
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Thanks RhythmSpring - I tried ayahuasca. I didn't do any purging & I had a very good experience with it. I don't think it effected me physically, though. May be good to try a home brew version... ?I'm not ultra experienced with this kind of medicine, though.

There are alot of parasites around that are effecting people's health. The testing is very poor, so it's really hard to determine which one is causing the problems. My history is kind of long with this illness. I've been ill for over 14 years... I've tried many many things but the thing that helps the most is pain meds.

I would like to get rid of it. I recently found out that babesia/theilaria causes many symptoms that aren't typical. This is why I never suspected it until my doctor suggested I try treating it. I started taking an herb called cryptolepsis which is from Africa & a tincture of quinine. My symptoms got worse which is an indication that it may be killing the parasite (protozoa). It similar to malaria.

I came across Syrian Rue in my studies & thought it may have potential. Typical treatments for malaria usually fall short in treating babesia. It's usually long, long courses of antibiotics with no guarantee of a cure. I prefer herbs...

I believe many illnesses here can be attributed to some kind of parasite, bacteria, virus, etc. I think there's some kind of bio-warfare going on but this is a much longer story & I don't want to scare people off right off the bat.

Any help with Syrian Rue would be appreciated. I'm not sure to start with the whole herb or get the extract. The whole herb would probably give me more flexibility.

BTW - What this greenlight/bluelight thing? I'm new here.
 
If you have under 50 previous posts on the site, then you are not yet able to PM (private message) other members of the site.

So what are your symptoms exactly?

In this book I have: Healing Lyme (Natural Healing and Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis and its Coinfections)

It recommends these herbs for Babesia:

Artemisinin
Red Root
Boneset

Let me know if you want more info on how to use the herbs.

So what makes you think Syrian Rue is good for Babesia? Have you read about other people using it? My advice is use the herbs listed above before experimenting. They have legit scientific evidence backing them up, many of the studies prove the herbs to be superior to the conventional antibiotics used to treat babesia)
 
I'd just like to comment that grouping bacteria and virus in with parasitic organisms is a bit odd - particularly viruses which certainly don't meet the biological definition of a parasitic organism. Also, I'm skeptical of the bio warfare theory for two reasons: 1, why would any government or other group want to create a weapon they had no control over that could easily infect them or their subjects? and 2, if we had that technology to the level of engineering organisms for specific pathological effect, we would be using it all over the place to do millions of other incredible things besides secret uncontrollable weapons. Anywaaaaay...

If there's empirical evidence it works, it's worth a try. I'm assuming your doctor doesn't see any reason it could make things *worse*, right? I don't think "see a licensed physician" and "look into herbal remedies" are mutually exclusive options. It's not like he's asking about homeopathy and healing crystals; he wants to investigate potential pharmacological properties of an herb that's been used medicinally by many cultures (not that the latter guarantees actual pharmacological action, there are plenty of traditional cures that are utter crap, but Syrian Rue is quite well known to contain active alkaloids and I see no reason they couldn't potentially have medicinal benefits).

Beyond that, I've got nothing productive to add, other than wishing you the best of luck in curing your illness. And yeah, Westerners tend to think of parasites as dirty third world things that infect people who drink contaminated water and whatnot - and plenty of parasites do spread that way while remaining uncommon in first world countries - yet plenty of parasites can infect you much like a bacteria or virus, and many can spread airborne which means any assumptions about 'dirty life styles' or conditions of poverty being necessary to become infected are unfounded. From my understanding, virtually everyone probably has parasites to some extent, but most are microbial and not harmful enough to warrant treatment or even detection. Technically they have to be at least a *little* harmful or the relationship is commensalism and not parasitism.
 
It's a very long & detailed topic to discuss bio-warfare & spirochetes. Take a look at this - www.elenacook.org/spirowarfare.html - it may explain some things... This book is also very good - Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory - Michael C. Carroll.

Thank you RhythmSpring. I do have Buhner's book here somewhere. I have read it. I mostly reference Planet Thrive for his comments on herbs. Dr. Buhner is now recommending Cryptolepsis for babesia. I figured I'd try that first. I also have the full Cowden protocol here - so, I figured I'd try the Nutramedix Quina. I have tried numerous things such as supplements, drugs, antibiotics, herbs, many forms of physical therapy, massage, bio-feedback, infrared therapy, etc. I've been to many doctors.

An artemesia derivative is very effective for malaria in combination with a drug called piperaquine. It is made in China. I have not found it anywhere in the US. There are some differences between babesia & malaria - so, there's a chance it may not be effective for babesia even though they are similar & both protozoa parasite infections. The treatment for malaria is about 3 days with the artemesia/piperqauine combo. It's about 96% effective for malaria. Artemesia or it's derivitives can take 6-9 months to work for babesia. I don't know why the artemesia/piperaquine drug is completely unavailable in the US.

I went bankrupt by not being able to work since I'm too ill, having too many doctor bills (& other bills) & not being able to get disability... My doctor is good but he is not an expert on herbs. Also many doctors who specialize in Lyme are extremely expensive including the tests, drugs, etc. Many doctors do not even believe that Lyme exists (no less the co-infections) - so, you have to go to what's known as an LLMD (specialist) - which is Lyme literate MD. They often do not take insurance (not that I have it) so you have to pay for everything out of pocket. You see where this goes...

I've been fighting Lyme for about 5 years. I thought I had Fibromyalgia but it's really Lyme or a co-infection. I've been ill for almost 15 years - so, I've been through alot.

Many people who find out that they have Lyme are also infected with the various herpes viruses, Epstein Barr Virus, mycoplasmas, mercury & other toxins, parasites, yeasts, etc. It sets off a whole chain of events that lead to a downward spiral. Most people think they can get rid of Lyme like the flu but it's not that easy. Some people do manage to get well if they catch the tick bite in time but many people can have it for years without knowing. It can also relapse after treatment. The ticks can be the size of a poppy seed & sometimes you don't see any rash from being bitten.

If you look up Peganum harmala (Syrian Rue) on PubMed you will find about 80 articles about the medicinal properties of Syrian Rue. Not all are appropriate to being anti-parasite but there are some significant studies.

If you happen to read this - be very careful of ticks! It's no joke...

I still would like to hear any experiences with Syrian Rue!
 
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I think you would be very interested in Caapi and Ayahuasca, which is know for it's healing powers (including removing parasites and cleansing the stomach and intestines).

Syrian Rue was also burned as incense in the Middle East.
 
There are additional quinazoline alkaloids in P.Harmala seed that are not present in Caapi, Harmala has as you say, been used to cleanse the body of Leishmania, although its far more effective against certain strains than others.
 
Limpet_Chicken - do you know anything further about the chemistry of Syrian Rue & parasites?

I tried some of the extract & it was pretty harsh. I became ill for days, afterwards. I feel like it has killed something but I'm not sure what happened. It's still too soon.
 
Thanks RhythmSpring - I tried ayahuasca. I didn't do any purging & I had a very good experience with it. I don't think it effected me physically, though. May be good to try a home brew version... ?I'm not ultra experienced with this kind of medicine, though.
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I think the Syrian Rue/Yage antiparasite effect is really only related to the physical effects, aka The Purge.

Many people who find out that they have Lyme are also infected with the various herpes viruses, Epstein Barr Virus, mycoplasmas, mercury & other toxins, parasites, yeasts, etc. It sets off a whole chain of events that lead to a downward spiral. Most people think they can get rid of Lyme like the flu but it's not that easy. Some people do manage to get well if they catch the tick bite in time but many people can have it for years without knowing. It can also relapse after treatment. The ticks can be the size of a poppy seed & sometimes you don't see any rash from being bitten.
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That's awful. You might to try on the advanced drug discussion or helathy living forums for more help.
 
Not to be a buzzkill here, but you're trying to treat an undiagnosed and quite possibly illusionary parasitic infection with the assumption that any negative effects you experience means that whatever "herbs" you are taking work? Honestly, without atleast a proper diagnosis from a medical doctor I can imagine you doing more good than harm.
 
I believe he's been diagnosed as he speaks repeatedly about his doctor, who recommended he try using herbs. Unless I 've read this wrong.
 
I don't have illusionary parasites or a mental disorder.

I have a clinical diagnosis of Lyme Disease & Babesia from an MD... The tests are not accurate in many cases, so, you usually get a clinical diagnosis based on blood test results & symptoms.

I'm really surprised how conservative many of you are in your views. I thought you guys here would be more open minded.

If I said I had cancer, diabetes, heart disease would you still think I had a mental disorder? Syrian rue does have medicinal qualities.

Just wait until something like this happens to you... Hopefully, it won't but the way things are going - many people are going to be ill & not be able to afford proper medical care. If there is medical care - it may not be effective.

Then, what do you do?

If you close your eyes & think that the governments of the world are not experimenting with biological weapons - you are pretty ignorant.

Do some research on the sb-40 virus & the polio vaccine many people received if they were getting vaccinated from 1955-1963. The vaccines were knowingly tainted with a cancer causing virus. Do your research... 1 out out 200 people vaccinated will get cancer from this.

I have no idea how people getting vaccines these days will fare. If they were doing this back then - what do you think is going on now?

Just watch out for those ticks, fleas, & mosquitos!
 
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