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synthetic vs. natural opiates

The_Idler said:
ok but i mean, do people make semi-synthetic or synthetic pills privately to be sold, or are they all from prescription medicine?
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People make all sorts of pills in clandestine labs. I have personally seen heroin made a few times from pharmaceutical grade morphine sulfate and pressed into pills. I believe I also recall reading about fentanyl-containing pills that were made to look like Purdue Oxycontin 80's. See the 9th intelligence alert on this page: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0806/mg0806.html
 
poppy seed tea or poppy pod tea are flat out the best highs i EVER had in my life.
so numero uno #1 would definatly be: the combination of natural morphine and codeine with plenty of grapefruit juice.
that said, here are some VERY close seconds:
#2 for semi-synthetics, hydrocodone just has a beautiful magic until youve built a tolerance to it, it is fuckign TOTALY the bomb.
methadone, rocks my socks for 2 days when im not all addicted like i am now.
third place# 3:iv fent, iv demerol, codeine
4th place: tramadol, ( i actualy sometimes REALLY like this drug, other times i dont)
10th place: oxycodone. i have no idea why people like this stuff it doesnt even get me high. i just smoked 100 mg railed 100 mg and chewed up another 100, and im NOWHERE near as high as i would be off 200, hell, 100 mg hydro. its just my personal chemistry, i have never liked, i have never nodded on, have never been willing to pay a buck a mg for oxy, its just not for me. ive always done name brands too. ive shot up smoked up snorted up eatem whole plugged um.........they just ddont seem to have that MAGIC of opium.
OPIUM for the win, its a slew of morphine, codeine, thebaine, papervine, and several others. nothing is as good as it.
 
^^I am actually quite fond of methadone for getting high. Pod tea is wonderful, and smoking opium is a very unique experience. I definitely like semi-synthetics more though, heroin being my holy grail.
 
xxanxxtwo, that is pretty scary about those Oxy 80's, variation of fentanyl probably various hugely in those pills.........SCARY!!!

good thing unless they are very very good, you can rarely come to a professional quality press job, an exact copy of the pill being duplicated, SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, be familiar with your shit....
 
Klowns??

are you talking about OXYCODONE or OXYCONTIN? Ive never heard of smoking oxycontin!
 
^^high! although they contain (and im sure you know this) the EXACT same drug, percocets and oxycontins only difference is that percs have a bunch of apap wheras oxcontins dont. and, i was talking about smoking oxycontin. i would never smoke apap. i know smoking pills isnt smart, but i guarentee you it works with oxys, it hits fast, and there are so many people i know that wouldnt do it any other way. i dont actualy prefer it i like chewing them up or snorting them sometimes...or actualy like i said, i dont even like oxycodone of any sort, it just upsets my stomache midly and doesnt give me that fantastic high. it gives a light clear head buzz for me, thats definatly not my style.. but short answer, yes you can smoke oxycontins, it does work, its probably not to great for your lungs
peace :)
 
yeah most of my friends either bang them or smoke them, the ocasional snort. they would never even consider oral use of a pill........jesus christ huh? i think they are retarded. thats pretty fucked up i mainly just eat my pills but there are special occasions for other things.................and blowing 3 oc 80s really fast does give me a nice lift
peace
 
LBlake said:
xxanxxtwo, that is pretty scary about those Oxy 80's, variation of fentanyl probably various hugely in those pills.........SCARY!!!

good thing unless they are very very good, you can rarely come to a professional quality press job, an exact copy of the pill being duplicated, SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, be familiar with your shit....
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Agreed, whoever was responsible for those pills should be locked away...
 
It depends on which natural opiates and synthetics.

My favorite opiates overall are morphine and heroin (though really, they are basically the same thing - heroin is actually an inactive/neutral substance, it owes its effects to morphine and as such heroin is a pro-drug). These two are the absolute best IV'd. Morphine is just classic, and when two acetyl groups are added to it, it enters the brain quicker (heroin).

It's always very odd to call heroin a "semi-synthetic", since it's so so similar to morphine in all aspects.
 
To me, heroin and oxycodone, two subjectively very different and yet very similar drugs, were always to be equally preferred. Like a wife and a mistress. Both are technically semisynthetic, but heroin's a good deal closer to the poppy than oxycodone (synthesized from thebaine, a minor poppy constituent, for pharmaceutical use if I memory serves).
 
i dont really see how heroin is synthetic ,its MORPHINE wich is natural stuck in a pot and boiled to become acetylized(with acetic anhydro...damn brain fart)

get what im sayin

ill tell ya some of the best euphoria i have felt was from hydrocodone,and i think thats the only euphoria i have got from a opiate

but as weak as codein is man prob the warmest opiat i have ever used ....and made me nod like no other

but some of the best
 
xxanxxtwo that is a really cool link. Too bad it couldnt have been someone other than the DEA agents (like me!) that found the "abandonded" duffle bag containing 49 "OC/80 tablets that turned out to be Fentanyl. Thats a pretty sophisticated operation, I wonder if there is a lab churning out massive amounts of these pills. Although it sounds cool, depending on the amount of Fent. in the pills, it could potentially cause a bunch of overdoses by people attempting to inject there normal dose of OC, or a dose a bit higher in order to achieve a realy intense high.

But I'd imagine that if there was a decent market for these pills in New Mexico ( i think thats where they were seized) then we might hear about it here from someone.

But anyways... my favorite is heroin (a semi-synthetic) because IMO it has the best of both worlds- a good rush + a good high after the initial rush. Dilaudid has a great rush but a fairly weak high and Morphine has a great, depressive high, but not the strongest rush. Oxycodone, even though its another semi-synthetic, is my least favorite, because it is so stimulating. I really enjoy a strong heroin high that has me nodding all over the place. Whenever I try to take notes or do schoolwork like this I always find myself writing a word, and then ending up with a bunch of incomplete sentences, scribbles and lines, of ink all over the page from nodding out. I will also try and read the newspaper when I'm really nodding, and sometimes I'll get stuck on on article, or even one sentence foreeever b/c i keep nodding out. good times ha. But yeah, I found out the hard way (3 minor accidents, and countless close calls) that driving while in this state is extremely dangerous- worse than falling asleep at the wheel, b/c you can't control it.
 
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medicine cabinet said:
yea, semi synthetic is the way to go. oxycodone and heroin

shit like fent gets you really high and all, but it feels too edgy for me. heroin with out a soul as someone on here once said...
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isnt oxycodone fully synthetic as it is made from thebaine, a poison? Or is thebaine considered an opiate. It seems like a tough call to me.

delta 9 said:
I prefer using opium over any other (semi)synthetic opiate/opioids, although I must admit there is something to be said about the convenience of eating a pill of known dosage and you're done.
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you get authentic opium in chitown other than poppy tea? If so, you are one lucky dude.



thugpassion said:
Heroin is the best.
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Word.
 
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Natural. Though I enjoyed semi-synthetic as well & it's more a bang for my buck, it's something in this morphine & codeine feeling that i prefer even to heroin sometimes.
 
ive never tried heroin,
but no synthetic has ever beaten good raw opium.
and not shitty stuff you get from dealers, i make it myself.
I am tempted to synth heroin one day from my opium (i am chemist in training), but you know.... its risky shit.

so ye Opium FTW!
 
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