Synthetic drugs send thousands to ER

Bardo5 said:
I wonder how many people have smoked JWH/K2/Spice and haven't done anything drastic because of it?

Millions worldwide maybe?
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Me. I smoked JWH blends from August-DEA Ban on 018/073. Just switched to smoking plain ole damiana with no effect except "damn I want a buzz"
 
Mora Fiend said:
Yea that's news that needs 3 days of coverage. Wonder what the hell happened that caused him such a horrible reaction.
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You have to step look at it from their point of view. There are milloins of concerned parents that eat these stories up. Due to this these stories make the news stations lots of money which is the most inportant thing in the world. So befor you bash the media just understand they are only trying to live the American Dream. 8)

szuko000 said:
I doubt it was some kind of conspiracy to sell these to the public. Ah silly stoners and their imaginations. More likely he was doing research plotting and understanding the CB receptors and their activity proved profitable for someone down the road. Like LSD was created for mind control
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exactly

Just like with all of Shulgin's creations. They were never ment to be out to the public. They were synthesized for scientific research perposes and ended up leaking out.
 
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Forgive me for my lack of understanding of cannabinoid receptors, but I'm full of curiosity.

I understand these chemicals were created for "research purposes", but what scientific breakthroughs have been made as a result of their synthesis? What's the point of creating 450 synthetic analogues of THC, yet not taking the next step and actually using some of these chemicals for medical treatment? Is Dr. Huffman's goal to essentially create a pharmaceutical that combats nausea without getting you high, and is this even possible?

From what I have seen, most of Dr. Huffman's analogues are exponentially more active on CB1/CB2 receptors than THC. Doesn't this imply that most of these analogues will get you high? How is Dr. Huffman going to ever know if any of these chemicals can me used medicinally if he doesn't accept the risk and start running clinical trials? He claims the consumption of these analogues is like playing Russian Roulette, but isn't that true with basically any new chemical? Why turn a blind eye and automatically disregard human consumption, whenever it is human consumption that will contribute more research than anything? With people readily buying these chemicals across headshops worldwide, you would assume that if we truly wanted to research and embrace the medicinal potential of these chemicals, we would start yanking these guinea pigs off the streets and running clinical trials!
 
Unbreakable said:
Then the 18-year-old athlete and band standout...
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The well adjusted ones are always the most twisted up inside... by far. Dunno why the media thinks this is not obvious, after Ted Bundy and such. They should be emphasizing that he was a hollow shell about ready to collapse, when RC's precipitated that collapse. But nooooo, it's the bad, evil old white powder... it *made him* do it :p.
 
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I have never seen or heard of a drug that -made- you kill yourself. I mean no matter what, sure you can take a drug and hate the effects and wish you were dead, doesn't mean your rationale isn't going to stop you from doing it.

This kid probably made up his mind to end his life a while ago and figured he would try some drugs before he went through with it. It would be the same as saying someone who smokes a cigarette before they shoot themselves in the head did it because of the cigarette.
 
phenethylo J said:
Just like with all of Shulgin's creations. They were never ment to be out to the public. They were synthesized for scientific research perposes and ended up leaking out.
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Lol, 'leaking out'. He published TWO books full of them.
 
Solide said:
Lol, 'leaking out'. He published TWO books full of them.
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Kind of doubt he imagined Chinese factories making them by the hundreds of kilos when he did, though.

I should be receiving am-2201 in the mail tomorrow. If I don't post again I probably killed myself.
 
phenethylo J said:
You have to step look at it from their point of view. There are milloins of concerned parents that eat these stories up. Due to this these stories make the news stations lots of money which is the most inportant thing in the world. So befor you bash the media just understand they are only trying to live the American Dream. 8)
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I bash the media because they are extremely powerful, and with that power comes responsibility. When they feed the masses this uninformed bullshit it causes a situation that isn't out of control to all of a sudden start a downward spiral. How many news reports from mainstream media involving drugs have you read that are well informed and unbiased? Aside from reports about the violence of cartels and gangs there's none. They constantly misrepresent drugs as these horrible life ruining deadly substances, I have even heard and even met a few cancer patients that are afraid to try marijuana to help combat the side-effects of chemo because they think they'll get addicted.

A similar thing happened a few years ago when Oprah decided to spout off some bullshit about beef and her cult of followers decided to stop eating beef just because she said so. It is biased media reports that cause people who eat these stories out of the palm of the media's hands that cause such a stigma towards drugs.

So yea, they're living the American Dream, and wholeheartedly crushing mind altering substances in the process.
 
Camorandis said:
Forgive me for my lack of understanding of cannabinoid receptors, but I'm full of curiosity.

I understand these chemicals were created for "research purposes", but what scientific breakthroughs have been made as a result of their synthesis? What's the point of creating 450 synthetic analogues of THC, yet not taking the next step and actually using some of these chemicals for medical treatment? Is Dr. Huffman's goal to essentially create a pharmaceutical that combats nausea without getting you high, and is this even possible?

From what I have seen, most of Dr. Huffman's analogues are exponentially more active on CB1/CB2 receptors than THC. Doesn't this imply that most of these analogues will get you high? How is Dr. Huffman going to ever know if any of these chemicals can me used medicinally if he doesn't accept the risk and start running clinical trials? He claims the consumption of these analogues is like playing Russian Roulette, but isn't that true with basically any new chemical? Why turn a blind eye and automatically disregard human consumption, whenever it is human consumption that will contribute more research than anything? With people readily buying these chemicals across headshops worldwide, you would assume that if we truly wanted to research and embrace the medicinal potential of these chemicals, we would start yanking these guinea pigs off the streets and running clinical trials!
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Most of them aren't, but many are. However, he's said publically that he doesn't believe these have medicinal value. This research is all about understanding the receptors better.

Yeah, it would be true of any new chemical, but most chemicals have gone through animal testing long before they enter humans. That's not true of these, which have virtually no animal testing. Or literally no animal testing in many cases.

These drugs do have medicinal value, but Huffman won't be the guy to study it. Many may have anti-cancer properties (some may prove exceptional, actually) and many other important properties.
 
TheLostBoys said:
I hate RC's, they have some wacked out chemicals in them which make them more dangerous then hardcore illegal drugs, but then again, you can OD & die taking anything.
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If you get pure RC's some will actually be safer than more well known drugs. Don't buy "bath salts" and know your source..
 
I agree. Go for the pure chems from a dealer you trust. They are out there, easily found. Prob cheaper then the bath salt variety too.

I have never had any reactions close to the ones listed in the article( depression, murder, suicide). Maybe just a little paranoia about a fast pulse lol.

These stim rc's to seem to have a more addictive potential then their illegal counterparts, IMO anyway.
 
Camorandis said:
Forgive me for my lack of understanding of cannabinoid receptors, but I'm full of curiosity.

I understand these chemicals were created for "research purposes", but what scientific breakthroughs have been made as a result of their synthesis? What's the point of creating 450 synthetic analogues of THC, yet not taking the next step and actually using some of these chemicals for medical treatment? Is Dr. Huffman's goal to essentially create a pharmaceutical that combats nausea without getting you high, and is this even possible?
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Are you aware that the process of getting novel drugs tested medically isn't as simple as snapping your fingers and putting up a poster asking for test subjects... (at least legally... you could say some current RC companies are doing just this.. at least "bonsai tree" test subjects) Doing clinical medical studies requires serious bank. Not saying Huffman couldn't have done it but perhaps he never say any evidence in the synthesized chemicals that made them appear worth pursuing. He may have guessed at the fact that some of them would "get you high" but that wasn't necessarily his interest. Going from lab synths and computational/theoretical modeling of receptor activity to double blind clinical medical tests is a large leap.
 
Wonder why so few posts on cocaine?? Same reason. The cuts in cocaine are killing people, making others violently ill for months. All of these drug markets are perfect for crooks to exploit. They don't care what it does to someone's health. Anyone using drugs today is a true gambler. Newer users don't catch on for months or years; in the meantime, they've either killed themselves or ruined their health. Beware!
 
K2 did give my ex a grand mal seizure. He wasnt the first case that doc had seen. The doctor said (i dont know this to be true) K2, while growing, is sprayed with various chemical that can cause many injuries including fatality.:?
 
^ K2 is a mix of legal herbs, you take the mix and spray a cannabinoid chemical on them. you can use any plant matter (including oregano) grown from anywhere, and then just spray the cannabinoid (eg JWH018 is a common one, they don't usually have "names" yet)
 
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