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I posted a thread about this same incident a while ago, can't be fucked to find it again. But there's been reports of these "K2" blends causing horrible reactions, even resulting in comatose states.

I actually met a friend of one this unfortunate folk and I guess the dude was in a coma for a week after about 2 "bowls" of a synthetic blend. He still hasn't fully recovered cognitive abilities. Apparently after smoking he collapsed and began screaming about how everything hurt, and some other symptoms which honestly just sounded like a panic attack, but then he blacked out and didn't wake up for a week.

I'm encouraging people to boycott these "blends", not because they're evil or anything but because the companies need to stop selling a relatively new and unresearched compound as some "natural herbal high". Yeah clearly people should do their own research but most of the people buying these blends have no idea what the hell "JWH-018" is. I used to think this was a problem of people smoking reckless amounts of the product, but I'm hearing about a lot of fucked up stuff happening from average doses. It appears that these companies aren't trying very hard to evenly dose this stuff.
 
I've also heard reports from friends about people freaking out after smoking some of these blends. K2 seems to be the biggest culprit in this regard.

You can't know what's in the blends: it could be any mix of any of the currently available synthetic cannabinoids. It's probably not just JWH-018, but instead a mix of many different cannabinoids. You can't even be assured that you're getting the same cannabinoid in any two bags of the same product: if they run out of one cannabinoid, they probably just dump in more of another.

Shady stuff, TBH.
 
I freaked out once on K2 citron. But I think for me I just had a sort of panic reaction to getting too high. I had smoked 2 bowls of it back to back and was pulling hard cause I was in a rush...within moments I was freaking out and had to lay down. While I was laying down I had my most significant OBE, floating up to the top of my room and looking down at myself on my bed. This scared me even more so I struggled to get myself up from the bed and into the shower, where I sat on the tub floor for like an hour letting cool water wash over me until I suddenly felt myself snap back in place in my body and was like "whoooa. I'm back."

I wish I knew more of the facts of what happened to that kid. Was he taking anything else? Did he have allergies? Was this his first time using such a blend? What medical conditions did he have prior, any? Also, was it actually K2 blend or some other?
 
Yeah, the companies behind these unlabeled blends are pretty despicable IMO. It's absolutely the moral equivalent of shady street dealers selling DOXs as "legal acid."
 
I'm gonna be trying one of these blends shortly... I'm gonna go VERY slow with it though since panic attacks appear to be the most common side effect. :-P
 
Any news about people going into comas or other really worrisome states from smoking the pure chemicals? By "normal doses" I assume you mean one bowl or so of the blends? I ask because, as you seem to allude to, these companies spray the synthetics onto the leaf, which results in highly uneven distribution. So a normal volume of one of the blends can have an abnormally high dose of a mixture of multiple synthetic CB-1 agonists. I'm also curious if anyone has mixed known normal doses of the pure synthetics and experienced serious health issues (beyond a freakout - stuff like violent psychosis or coma), as that would suggest dangerous synergy.

You might also consider posting this in Cannabis Discussion. It'd be a double post but I think in this case there's warrant for exception.
 
Part of the problem is hotspots - cannabinoids not properly distributed, and so you smoke what looks like a small amount of a blend you're used to, but it turns out to be much, much, stronger than you expect.

Plus, some of these blends are ridiculously potent (intended for people who have really high tolerance) - so if someone was used to smoking mids, and was like "well, this stuff is legal, so it's probably weaker" and then packed two big bowls, that would be a massive overdose. If they hit a hotspot when they did this, well, it could be more than simply unpleasant.
 
DevinTheDude said:
I have experienced "the fear" many times on JWH018. But somehow the fear is so profound that I almost feel like it was worthwhile everytime afterwards. Except for the time that I literally experienced my own personalized hell for an eternity during one trip. I cannot describe how terrifying that experience was.

Am I the only one that actually feels like this substance actually heightens your ability to understand yourself and other's emotions though? I feel like I have honestly learned so much about my worth here on Earth from experiencing the best and worst trips. And some times the "meaning of life" is defined so clearly in these trips that it is frightening.

This is the only drug I have experienced the fear on so i'm not sure if this is normal to experience such vivid glimpses of eternity and life
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Actually, I just read an amazing trip report by someone who smoked JWH-018 earlier today and its nothing short of remarkable how clear minded and detailed it was - not convoluted like marijuana revelations or pretty much crazy like a lot of psychedelic ones. I'd post it but it links to a forum that offers up large amounts of sources and its a googled site so I can't. But suffice to say, it made me interested, even with my propensity for panic attacks from cannabis...
 
I've only smoked K2 twice, I think, but the last time I smoked it I ended up becoming very nauseated for a while. It's quite possible that the nausea was caused by something else, but I did notice that it was not long after I'd smoked the K2. In any case, until more research is done and these cannabinoid blends are better regulated, I'll stick to weed, thanks. :)
 
Roger&Me said:
I've also heard reports from friends about people freaking out after smoking some of these blends. K2 seems to be the biggest culprit in this regard.

You can't know what's in the blends: it could be any mix of any of the currently available synthetic cannabinoids. It's probably not just JWH-018, but instead a mix of many different cannabinoids. You can't even be assured that you're getting the same cannabinoid in any two bags of the same product: if they run out of one cannabinoid, they probably just dump in more of another.

Shady stuff, TBH.
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^ Well said, I'm all for synthetic cannabinoids, but don't buy the blends. I don't even know why anyone does, I mean you get like 20x less cannabinoids for the same price when you buy herbal blends - and it's not hard to make your own blend if the issue is that you prefer smoking herbs to powder. I can understand some people don't know about JWH, or where to get it, or whatever, but it's not exactly hard to find out about, or to find.

MagickalKat777 said:
Actually, I just read an amazing trip report by someone who smoked JWH-018 earlier today and its nothing short of remarkable how clear minded and detailed it was - not convoluted like marijuana revelations or pretty much crazy like a lot of psychedelic ones. I'd post it but it links to a forum that offers up large amounts of sources and its a googled site so I can't. But suffice to say, it made me interested, even with my propensity for panic attacks from cannabis...
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More people find it paranoid than not really, at least JWH-018. Even -073, which is meant to be far less paranoia/anxiety-inducing, was quite a paranoid experience for me when I smoked it. However I believe some of the other ones have little/no anxiety or mental confusion whatsoever. I have 1g of JWH-081, one of the ones that is supposed to have no/not much anxiety on the way, so keep checking the TR forum over the next week or so, and I'll have a report up soon :)
 
Well I'm getting a free sample blend... so I'll give it a go. I mean its free...

I heard JWH-250 was probably the best for anxiety?
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Well I'm getting a free sample blend... so I'll give it a go. I mean its free...

I heard JWH-250 was probably the best for anxiety?
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That's my one exception, I'll smoke it if it's free and I trust the source. I'm not really sure as I've no experience with it, but I heard that 250 was more trippy than 018, so it's possible it could be more anxious too if it's similar - but that's just speculation, try it :)
 
people like to trick themselves into thinking they are safer than they are in some situations.

For instance, just because you order a gram of JWH-018 from a retailers, does not mean that what you are getting will be 1 gram of JWH-018. It may be more or less than 1 gram, it may or may not be JWH-018.

I definitely think the blends are a bit less safe than smoking it by itself. But honestly, unless you yourself have the knowledge and equipment to analyze your sample, you never know.

I have never heard of anything beyond a panic attack happenning from any synthetic canabinoids, but of course that doesnt mean nothing wose has happenned though.

Another huge problem with these blends is that there are knock offs all over the place.

there are knock offs of K2, there is something called K3 that isnt even made by the makers of K2, there are just so many variables.

I never thought it would be the synthetic canabinoids that were the end of the RC market, but its starting to look like thats going to be the way it ends.
 
I smoked K2 about 4 times without any problems it just wasn't as strong as something else we could get which was cheaper as well so I haven't messed with it since. Was K2 Summit or w/e but nothing big for real. o_o;
 
i am not against drugs, but i am against k2. i've had 3 horrible experiences with it that stand out. the worst one was with happy hour. im a huge stoner and smoke weed multiple times a day, and i love getting stoned. they girl who sold me the happy hour said one hit got you fucked. i assumed it was like most other spice, and you basically got a weed high, but slightly different. me being the pot head i am, i hurried home and took 3 bong rips of it. it tasted like (pardon my langue) SHIT. i would describe the high as: being shot at continuously for a hour, and just manage to dodge the bullets, but knowing one may hit you. thankfully, i didnt OD but i think i cam close to it. i puked bright green and purple. i was holding onto the tree next to me, trying to not let myself slip into what i think could have been death. i legit had to pull myself back to reality. another bad experience was with k3. i smoked a bowl of it, and didnt feel anything, so i smoke a joint of it. i still didnt feel anything, disapointed, me & my friends got up. they hadnt smoked any of it. they stood up and began walking but i face planted into the ground and could not move. i was so f***ed up. another bad one was with red magic. only 4 hits, and i nearly OD. i was begging my boyfriend to call 911 and i threw up over and over. i couldnt move and i couldnt breathe well and my pulse was very fast. unless you want many experinces like that, dont try synthetics, they may seem appealing, but they will fuck you over.
 
ive had good experiences with synthetic cannabanoids like k2 and such, ive even taken like about 8 bowls worth pr a king size joint, you needa be experienced and not panick.
that being said, just like every drug take it alow first to see how your body reacts
 
Honestly I don't think synth cannibinoid blends should be in the mainstream. Really they're not a replacement to pot, they're a whole thing of their own. Granted there is a niche I guess; from experience I can understand that people who are knowledgable and sensible enough can have some very positive and interesting experiences with them, but they're certainly no everyday pot alternative for the masses and never have been.
 
I've never smoked any of this and I agree with Roger that it's pretty shady and not something I want to consume at all. If I'm going to get stoned I'll just vaporize herb and not any of this stuff.

I have a friend that's smoked JWH, spice, k2, and even just random blends that were sold in headshops in his state where they're not illegal and he told me how some of the smoking blends were OK and some were way too intense and that was just from smoking a hit or two of them. He's also told me how they're sort of like smoking pot but ultimately you don't get stoned like you do from smoking, eating, or vaporizing cannabis.
 
Hmm. Sounds scary. The day before it became illegal in my state I purchased 10 grams pure jwh-018 at a significant discount.

So of course, an overdose was inevitable at some point. Or multiple points, as the case may be.

I dont hardly touch the stuff anymore because its just so strong.

While Im sure there was more at play than just the jwh analogue that your friend smoked, the stuff really is scary. As a few people have mentioned already, its pretty easy to over do it.

Some common side affects Ive had from overdose are panic, tachycardia, hallucination, delusions, muscle spasms... man the list really goes on and on and on.

Its all bad shit.

The only solution Ive found is to drink literally as much water as you healthily can, pee as much as possible.
 
oh and sorry for the double post but this is relevant.

ibuprofen is very contraindacative with jwh-018. or maybe its potentiated by it.

whatever the case, I strongly recommend that you never ever ever mix the two.

it took two times for me to figure it out, and a third to really remember and stop doing it.

All three times I was quite sure that I would die of heart failure.
 
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