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Synergising Chemistry to find the "MAGIC"

hyroller said:
Iand I simply mean paying more mind toward constructive thoughts & occupations, this whole 'compulsion to use drugs' in order to feel good is getting slightly outdated. at least, from where I'm standing...
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haha. You might be fighting an uphill battle considering this is a drug forum.

However, I am definately at the stage now where living healthy is becoming my prefered method of happiness (ok and drugs now and then - LSD<3)
 
Any chance we can synthesise some MDMA from eucalyptus oil? Phase Dancer??
 
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Eucalyptus Oil?
Do you mean synthesize? If so, no.

I just read a report on erowid while doing some reading and a guy mentioned he was going to try TFMPP(I think that's it, I get confused with all these things) + Blue Lotus to try to get an MDMA like high. Not sure whether this would work, never tried either of them, just though I should post it here.
 
djep said:
Any chance we can synergise some MDMA from eucalyptus oil? Phase Dancer??
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If it could be done, i think there would be a different type of koala around. I know they're always hugging trees, but have you watched them before? I wish i could be that contemptly stoned all the time.
 
Any chance we can synergise some MDMA from eucalyptus oil? Phase Dancer??
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Nope. You may be thinking of mescaline which has been prepared by oxidising eucalyptus lignins to form the staring material syringaldehyde (done by Australian researchers - the army iirc during the 60's). However, this starting material can't be used to synthesise MDMA. The other major constituents of eucalyptus oils are 1,8 cineole and other terpene and terpenoids, all completely unrelated to the viable starting materials.
 
N-methylation as with meth often increases the metabolic halflife, because the primary amine is often a good "handle" for enzymes. This particularly true when comparing amphetamine to methamphetamine. But N-methylation usually reduces psychoactivity, meth and MDMA being notable exceptions.

The N-methylated version of MDAI is known

5,6-Methylenedioxy-N-methyl-2-aminoindane (MDMAI), is a drug and research chemical developed in the 1990s by a team led by David E. Nichols at Purdue University. It acts as a non-neurotoxic and highly selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA) in animals and a putative empathogen in humans.[1] It is closely related to MDAI, MMAI, and MDAT.
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MDMAI can be thought of as a cyclised analogue of MDMA where the alpha-methyl carbon of the alkylamino side chain has been joined back round to the 6-position of the aromatic ring to form an indane ring system. This changes the core structure of the molecule from phenethylamine to aminoindane, and causes the pharmacological properties of the two compounds to be substantially different.[1]
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From a post by Sturnam in the B & D MDAI thread the potency of MDMAI is significantly lower than MDAI
 
Hellohihello, yep, i meant synthesise...a few too many reds!

And the post was tongue in cheek...i realise that eucalyptus is useless for a MDMA precursor but wouldn't Australia be a different country if it was of use!...love the koala comment

Thanks Phase Dancer...one thing I wasn't aware of eucalyptus lignins to produce mescaline...mmm??
 
Would B. safrolifera suffice?
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Hard to say without knowing what the other constituents are, and therefore how easy they would be to separate. I'd imagine from the reported levels, that a lot of plant material would be required.

one thing I wasn't aware of eucalyptus lignins to produce mescaline...mmm??
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Don't even think of it. Unless you're a chemist up to date with modern green chem methods, you'd be forced to use the online synth, which is extremely hazardous.

If that doesn't deter those interested....these entries from wiki hopefully will.

Dimethyl sulfate is likely carcinogenic[3] and mutagenic, poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). Some consider it a potential chemical weapon. Dimethyl sulfate is absorbed through the skin, mucous membranes, and gastrointestinal tract. There is no strong odor or immediate irritation to warn of lethal concentration in air. Delayed toxicity allows potentially fatal exposures to occur prior to development of any warning symptoms.[9] Symptoms may be delayed 6-24 hours.
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Cyanide is a potent inhibitor of cellular respiration, acting on mitochondrial cytochrome c oxidase and hence blocking oxidative phosphorylation. This prevents the body from oxidizing food to produce useful energy. Lactic acidosis then occurs as a consequence of anaerobic metabolism. Initially, acute cyanide poisoning causes a red or ruddy complexion in the victim because the tissues are not able to use the oxygen in the blood. The effects of potassium and sodium cyanide are identical. The person may die within two hours if not treated medically. During this period, convulsions may occur. Death occurs mainly by cardiac arrest.
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Diazomethane is toxic by inhalation or by contact with the skin or eyes (TLV 0.2ppm). Symptoms include chest discomfort, headache, weakness and, in severe cases, collapse.[8] Symptoms may be delayed. Deaths from diazomethane poisoning have been reported. In one instance a laboratory worker consumed a hamburger near a fumehood where he was generating a large quantity of diazomethane, and died four days later from fulminating pneumonia. [9] Like any other alkylating agent it is expected to be carcinogenic, but such concerns are overshadowed by its serious acute toxicity.
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The compound explodes when heated beyond 100 °C.
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All this talk about the objective synergy of brain chemistry. When really I believe the most important factor for that magical high is the synergy of subjective energy amongst a group of people.

For example, I've recently had some of the most magical moments on only moderate doses of bk-mdma, beyond previous high doses of straight mdma. Simply due to the already existing magical group energy that really only needed a catalyst to grow into a wonderful experience. I feel once the set and setting is right, then a taste of a drug that works for me is all that is necessary. It seems to much emphasis is put on drug combos and doses rather than actually focusing on what really matters, the real emotion of people in a social situation.

My 2cents worth.

:)
 
^ I agree with you with some points - i think the brain chemistry side of things is important, but with the right set and setting even a mediocre drug experience can turn pretty +++ experience...

I find that occasionally, very rarely - when in the right place, i'll experience that feeling like when i was 16 on my first few E's
 
if your really that desperate for the magic why not try taking up a chemistry course.

iv had some good experiences on 4mmc but feels like something is missing. what if u ate a shit load of mdai and had coke???
 
recently i took a large quantity of MDAI (150mg) and after it began to kick in i took around 50-75 mg of MDPPP (which feels a lot like a mellow ritalin moreish type high). before i left the house i noticed that i couldn't stop thinking about people i like i positive ways .anyway when the combo kicked in i had the closing eye sleepy love feeling, and i was at an event where i knew nobody but i got talking to lots of people (in a very open honest sort of way), and i felt very euphoric. i ended up in a pizza takeaway talkin to some random that designs websites. for such a minor evening where the bands weren't that good (i got cd's of all of them, and they sounded a thousand times worse when i wasn't high the next day), in such boring scenario's eveything had a magical euphoric love feeling that to me felt a lot like mdma (no anxiety, very low inhibition of what i say (honest), no sexual feeling, thinking about people i love and how special they are, and just joy to the max). ive tried methylone, 4methylmethcathinone, 4fluoroamphetamine, MDA and this combo felt far more like MDMA than any of those. next day very little hangover and residual sense of peace with the world. the thing that really struck me was how magical this combo felt.

MDPPP is nothing like this on its own (very dopaminergic relative of MDPV) and MDAI is bland sedating serotonin release

together simply beautiful

what a great combo
 
MDPPP never heard of it, but this seems well worth a try. This is the kind of response i've been looking for. I feel that the subjective brain chemistry is half if not more of the battle, with setting providing the end details of a great trip.

sounds like you had a magical experience bud. Do try again, read the trip reports forum and see if you can accurately write a good anecdotal report next time.
 
MrIbis said:
MDPPP never heard of it, but this seems well worth a try. This is the kind of response i've been looking for. I feel that the subjective brain chemistry is half if not more of the battle, with setting providing the end details of a great trip.

sounds like you had a magical experience bud. Do try again, read the trip reports forum and see if you can accurately write a good anecdotal report next time.
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i had a magical experience in what was a series of very drab uninspiring settings. the thing is that mdppp is know as a ritalin type high but even at high doses it can be quite stoning and lacks anxiety and paranoia that are commonly a function of mdpv. though if you eat a lot of it on your own you'll be up for ages, snorting produces a short lived rush and binge pattern which is not worth it.

this was the first time i combined the two and i was very drunk but when i came up on the combo it overrided the alcohol and i felt childlike excitement. the desire to redose with the mdppp was not there to the same extent.
 
Ha ha ha...true. ^

But mixing LSD and DXM is quite an amazing combo. DXM first, LSD about an hour to an 1.30 later..and holy shit. !!!

I was picking up some bunny shit off the floor (have an awsome pet rabbit and cat that play together. Awsome to watch when tripping..) when i suddenly was like "wtf am i doing..picking up shit..im wasting my life pickin gup this bunny shit !!" then BAM next thing i know i look down (im on my hands and knees) and my arms go chameleon colours constantly changing and morphing.

The floor turns to liquid and is like a liquid rainbow on the floor changing through thousands of amazing colours. The lounge morphs and melts and i start laughing realizing that im having the most intense visual trip EVER!! I stand up and look around and i am surrounded by a carosel of colours screaming around and around in circles!! Liquid rivers flying all around my house...absolutly beautiful and amazing!

So im not sure if this thread is about MDMA or whatever..but thats MY magic haha. But DXm doesnt work anymore so its more like LSD + DMT nowdays...IMMENSE!
 
Dude, this thread aint about psychedelic substances. anyone intending to take an MDxx substance with DXM is retarded.. we're talkin about subjective brain chemistry - achieving the right midlevel between DA/5-HT. And therein creating the mdma like high people want - but cant find.
 
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