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Synchronicity

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no doubt. I'm glad we're finally seeing eye to eye.
 
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no doubt. I'm glad we're finally seeing eye to eye.
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I think it's great that you see patterns in so many things, but synchronicity is not just intellectualized pattern recognition, it's events and circumstances colliding in a way that seem inexplicable yet serendipitous, and is beyond the scope of mind.
 
What do you mean beyond the scope of mind, exactly, in this regard?

I'm pretty sure that you just described what I do experience. Maybe I'm failing at explaining it.

You're saying that my bringing a movie with me when I first met my ex, where the guy has a disfigured face when I felt disfigured because my face had been swollen from an allergic reaction (and had body issues, not knowing I was suffering from an allergic reaction, for years), and in the movie he decided to wear a mask through much of it, and with this girl's name added to the others (other ones I had serious relationships with), they can spell mask (first letter first name), that it doesn't qualify? It's not that I was aware of it at the time. It's not as if it has to be viewed this way, or is the only thing there, but it's there, in certain alignment.

You're saying that that I was building a fence at a defense training facility for military, police, and homeland security, and got stung by a bee, having an allergic reaction (defenses over-reacted), and then going and building a fence the next day at my exes house, then having a fight about black and white (race, differences)... That there is just nothing "inexplicable yet serendipitous", there? Beyond what I might be able to plan, as I know myself (or knew myself)? Then we broke up. The fence to me was symbolic, in a number of ways, perhaps.

More, I had this number 23 that was special of course, to me (or seemed that way, as many of you know), and we broke up 2300 days until a date that I was looking forward to, as possibly something special (12/21/2012, as it would be read, here), and on that date, 2300 days later, my paycheck came out to 1221.52. That when that girl (the ex) gave me a watch, on Christmas, the same girl who's birthday we met on, I'd meet 161 weeks later from the watch, which is how many days (161) had passed when I was born, in a year, and that girl (Donna), resonated with my birth mother, in various ways, including her name having the same numerological sum of 184 (23x8 ) and I met her on the 23rd of the year of 2009, and I was born 23 weeks into the year, and after her and I split, only a week later, 203 weeks would be until 12/21/2012, when I'd get a paycheck for 1221.52 (at my birth 203 days would be until the end of a year). Life seems to reflect in ways. I seem to get lucky. In ways, it's comforting, to know that I'm in a fold. Like a baby might derive comfort from being wrapped up in a blanket (sometimes).

And Donna was the first one to talk about angels, so excitedly, among other things. And before her I slept with Michelle (she was the last I met, before), and after Donna, I met Gabrielle, on her (Donna's) birthday, at a Nine Inch Nails concert (or saw her, met her after). Michael and Gabriel are prominent angels, for one detail.

Maybe I should stop trying to make sense. It doesn't seem to be working. I hate to get that attitude.

I thought about Lauren one morning- a girl who worked at Trader Joes, years ago. It had been about 4 years since I saw her, and I hadn't thought of her. I thought about her because I was going through old pictures on my computer, and there was a screenshot that I took of her, as she fell in a search on Myspace. I remembered that day feeling love for her. And next to her when I searched, a name with Love in it. And below her was a name, Angela. Each name beside her also had similar sounds- similar parts (Rene, meaning born again). So I stumbled on this image, and anyways, later that night, I saw her, after four years, there she was- at Whole Foods, at the checkout near me. I went up to her and asked her, making sure, "Is your name Lauren?", and she said "yes, I remember you!". She was back for her brother's wedding, she said (she's now living in Arizona) She had a guy with her- Gabriel. Earlier in the morning, I was contributing to the angel thread (one of them), and angels were on my mind. And I'm leaving some out, such as the rain/water, but is this just... "these posts have letters. these posts have numbers. these posts have numbers that when subtracted or added can become other numbers"? Really?
 
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sarcasm detector you. though amazing, at least like Einstein says, of miracles.
 
I'm hardly familiar with Jung but synchronicity to me is an improbable phenomena brought on through various patterns viewed by the individual and depending on how obsessive or intense this person experiences patterns results in a mathematical improbability insofar as the brain can comprehend; which, leaves only an unconscious explanation or no explanation.
 
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I'm hardly familiar with Jung but synchronicity to me is an improbable phenomena brought on through various patterns viewed by the individual and depending on how obsessive or intense this person experiences patterns results in a mathematical improbability insofar as the brain can comprehend; which, leaves only an unconscious explanation or no explanation.
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This man has gone back to the source of this highly misunderstood term. Thank you, Shrooms.

Anyone who rejects the concept of synchronicity on the grounds that external arrangement of that beheld is highly unlikely, misses the point. Synchronicity is not a property of the external world minus you, and I've never had the sense Jung proposed this idea as a tool for observing and predicting the natural world. Rather, synchronicity is something that occurs at the border between the external world (sensory input) and the observer's internal world (perception and cognition). In the creation of your sentient experience, the outside world brings something to the table and you the self-aware beholder bring something to the table. I think even Jung would agree that any given person's experience of synchronicity says as much (probably much more) about what the observer brings to the table, and how s/he integrates sensory experience present with sensory experience past. Jung was a psychologist, not a philosopher. His main concern was what motivates people to do what they do, not why is the world the way it is. The subjective experience of the beholder doesn't fall out of the equation like it does in the natural "hard" sciences.
 
I see, it's sort of a phenomena that exists before we create the language to describe what it actually is.
 
^ Definitely. Jung was drawing attention to a pattern he sees in human cognition, because he hypothesized that this pattern speaks volumes about the beholder and how he conceives of his place in the world.
 
My certain obsession... I have an aversion to this word. Obsession. It has a negative connotation to it. As if I'm doing something wrong.

She's a girl. Donna.

I looked at her profile today, on facebook. She's about a thousand miles away from me, now. She had quit facebook, attempting to do a "99 Days of Freedom" protest against facebook's manipulating of users emotions for science. I wasn't expecting her back on there until October sometime, but I decided to look at her page today, anyways, and she had uploaded new pictures within about 7 hours.

Just prior to leaving in protest, she had been displaying an image which was the only image she's displayed, with obvious numbers. 23, the primary number I shared with her, about, is where her hands are in the image, and of four numbers, 23 is the mean sum.

Today is my sister's birthday.

After meeting Donna, I got a job where the only females working there were named Donna, and Raven. Donna at this work had my sister's birthday, and my mother's middle name, Faye. Faye means fairy. Donna, my certain focus, here, resonates with my mother. Donna believed in fairies, angels, demons, aliens, spirits, and was the first person I met to have this energy.

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Donna was the first Donna I met, as close, that I remember, besides my cousin Gary's wife, Donna. The Donna at work was the second.

Raven's birthday, 1/22, was the day before I met Donna, and when she moved into her house, and had ordered food from the place that I got the job soon after I met her. Dominos.


Today, after seeing her new images, I with intention typed in indianapolis.backpage.com, and then clicked escorts, and 'Angel' was at the top of the list. The title of the post, simply Angel.
 
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No she didn't. She left about a month ago, for protest. Her profile image then became "99 Days of Freedom", which meant she was signing off for 99 days.

As for posting her images. They are public.

I guess I can see how you think there might be something wrong with this, and if you think I should, I'll take them down. I can make the post without pictures. I think she likes attention, though. She dances mostly naked on a stage around men and women she doesn't know.

Edit: Taken down.
 
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today is? saturday.

2nd letter in saturday? a.

1st letter of my first name? a.

7th letter in saturday? a.

2nd letter of my surname? a.

coincidence? i think not...

alasdair
 
It seems unlikely that synchronicity is a 'thing' so to speak. It is just solipsism. There is no real mechanism to explain these phenomena besides bias and observer effect. Constantly seeking meaning behind non-meaning and randomness is pointless and reflects an incorrect view of reality on behalf of the observer. To assume that the universe exists in a way that takes YOU into account is incorrect. What is really happening is the human pattern seeker making mistakes and not even knowing this. I love to find hidden symbolism in the world but I know that it is arbitrary and subjective. What happens when I am the chess-piece behind someone else's experience of synchronicity, where I am apparently being shunted around to create some sort of message to another person...? Where has my will gone? It is SO implausible and is usually merely a stage that seekers go through. I think it is wise and intelligent to discard these sort of erroneous beliefs.
 
I don't believe in free will quite the same as I might have.

Why would it take me into account? If it takes itself into account, how am I separate?
 
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On topic now though: I would have to assume that, for synchronicity to be meaningful and real, it would need to exist objectively. From there, it could be considered that synchronicity is as inherent and eternal and unchangeable as something like gravity. Surely it didn't pop into existence about 200,000 years ago at the dawn of humanity- there is no evidence that the laws of the universe and reality have changed that dramatically ever, moreover as recently as that. So, synchronicity has probably been a part of the universe since its first moments. Prior to the existence of multi-cellular life, I'm not sure that synchronicity would have been evident at all; I feel its effects are most manifest by that which can observe- so complex organisms such as animals and plants with senses to experience with were probably observing these odd coinciding events and phenomena. But this conjecture would suggest that this force manifesting synchronicity is essentially mundane, ubiquitious, banal, automatic and ultimately meaningless; the exact opposite of everything held as true by believers in the phenomena regarding the information being conveyed. If synchronicity is occurring to a rock with as much regularity and purpose as it is with me, what does that say about it?

To me, this line of thought makes me feel that synchronicity is simply not real in the way some would propose.

I can, however, imagine some mechanism for explaining these phenomena by drawing on barely-understood notions of extra dimensions and higher entities existing in these dimensions and manipulating our reality for some arcane purpose, but it strikes me that beings as powerful as that could probably be slightly less oblique if they really wanted our attention... Or perhaps a more anthropocentric view could work, that synchronicity requires the human mind with its self-awareness and heightened self consciousness to be made manifest, but that would mean that it is entirely subjective and could not then be proven to exist objectively and thus one could only really confidently say that this stuff is happening in my head and its imagination- which seems pretty much like what most sceptics are actually saying.
 
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