Synchronicity

[What 23]

i don't believe i've ever said any different.

i'd argue that a lot of the 'patterns' he's seeing aren't patterns - we've been round and round this so i'd just direct you to some of the discussion earlier in the thread for why i believe this to be the case.

You seem to assume everyone is going to assume your view. Very well most might be more compatible at the least, who might post. I don't know. I'm not sure I'd call them all patterns. Or I don't know how some might connect to others. ...Resonance. Reflection. Repetition. Relativity. I'm feeling another arrrr.

further, even if he is seeing patterns, my point of discussion is that maybe they're just that - patterns - and maybe there's nothing more to it than that. what 23' position seems to be that there has to be something more at play.

Well, as it has unfolded, it has built upon itself, and it has expanded, certainly. As I have grown, it has. Before I was 22 or so I had no concept of this. But it is not as if it hadn't been there. I think life moves in ways that do involve more than we know. I doubt a bee understands what we do about it. I doubt cows really get why they exist as they do... But there is a reason. And there is a reason a bird fails to digest some seeds. But also why it eats the seeds in the first place. Why the fruit is sweet. There is more to it.

apparently, because i have a different opinion, i'm a fucking idiot. i'm still not sure what that's the case...

alasdair

I apologized. I even said I called myself an idiot, and that we are all idiots, at least sometimes. I'm probably an idiot for calling you an idiot, and maybe for other reasons (but the same) at the same time.

I don't know, did I not apologize? Maybe I didn't, for that. So I am sorry I called you a fucking idiot. There are multiple reasons I shouldn't. But I do imagine you are in ways. Haha. I am. I think even enlightened people must have been idiots. Buddha, I think said that we are always making mistakes. That even him saying this was a mistake. But I imagine we aren't in other ways, idiots. And I think we can try not to be idiots.

 

[What 23]

In this standard alphabet, the 23rd letter, W, is the only letter pronounced polysyllabically (with 3 syllables). It can be written by connecting two of either of the previous two letters in the alphabet. UU. uu. Double-U. VV. vv. Double-V. W. w.

From our nearest neighboring star system, Alpha Centauri, this is where about we would be:

The constellation is Cassiopeia.

 

[swilow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

At the very least, What 23 is seeing a set of patterns that, according to the posts, has been occurring for a long time. If it ISN'T synchronicity, one should posit a reason for WHY he is seeing the pattern.

Perhaps he is inadvertently trying to create a more exciting and meaningful life for himself, and has a bias towards seeking novelty to affirm his expectation. I truly think that is the most likely reason. At least, it has been the reason behind my own synchronicity experiences.

Escaping a tiger never really relied on seeing 23's and numbers are hard to put into any survival scenario that may have benefited from pattern matching.

Numbers and mathematics are important to life forms who can use them to symbolically 'predict' the future. If I am scanning my environment for any form of threat, which I compare against past experience of the behaviour of said threat, accuracy of summation is not as important as speed of summation. Its no good if I say, "After detailed analysis, I can confirm that that murky shadow behind the tree's is not a sabre toothed tiger"; it is better if I react completely as if the shadow is a tiger. I lose nothing by doing so and gain everything if my prediction is correct.

Humans, as masters of symbolism and language, do this same thing but we have perhaps mistakenly formed the view that numbers and patterns are inherent, and not merely the models we have created to describe a deeper reality. We are scanning our environment, looking for patterns to predict a future event. Because we are utilisers of symbols, it should not shock us that we perceive them when parsing the environment; but because we know that they are simply models, we should be aware that the pattern probably isn't there outside of that model.

Put it this way; if we used a base 60 counting system, I'm quite sure we would not "see" the number 23 in our environement.

And yet we have numbers hard-coded into the brain.

Yes, thats true, but I guess that the symbols shouldn't be mistaken for the real thing.

Or something

 

[What 23]

An gel

I posted (on Facebook) the image of the girl, below in this picture above- who is Donna, playfully saying "God did it" because of how bad I have it for her. Then I noticed my friend, Stephanie, posted a grammar post that has an angel with a girl. I liked the resonance. And color.

Why the angel resonates/Why this struck me:
I first made contact with this girl after she posted a bulletin on MySpace, about divination cards that she got- angel cards. This-here is the first time I posted an image of her, and allowed friends to see. This is the first post involving angels that I remembered seeing (not to say it hasn't happened- And I had been off of FB for about 3-4 years), and it did come directly after her image, and viewable within the same frame.

Before Donna, in time, I met a girl with the name, Michelle, just previous to her. The next girl I met after Donna was Gabrielle. These two were certainly met- on an intimate level. The girl in the image above, Donna, was the first person to have such a certain energy, and an interest in angels. I considered them only after her, as I did...

Exactly one year after we met, within the day, a movie was released in theaters about Michael the archangel. First movie about angels that I'd seen since City of Angels... or Clarence, years earlier. It resonated, anyways.

On her birthday, May 30th, 1984, there was an annular eclipse. Searching for this date in Google shows a result for a recording of a news broadcast from Shreveport, LA reporting on it. It's mentioned that some of the first reports of the eclipse came out of a community called Sunshine, which is in St. Gabriel.

[video=youtube_share;niTQrfLdVFY]http://youtu.be/niTQrfLdVFY[/video]

The one song she played directly when I was with her, I remember because I had just gotten back to her place from feeding my cat and showering, was "In your eyes", by Peter Gabriel. She is still the longest I've held eye contact with anyone. It was something she wanted to do. Connect.

The first card she pulled using divination, for me, showed many eyes- eyes everywhere, she said, I seem to remember. That I have eyes everywhere.

Between our names, using only the first for example:

Jeffrey
Donna

Jeffrey has 7 letters. Donna has 5. The letters, that may "stick out", 'ey'- taken from Jeffrey. Using middle names, an 'e' would stick out, or be what would make the names unequal numbers of characters. Last 's'. From these letters- 'eyes'.

This, below is the one single picture that she has posted that has numbers (that I have seen). These are her hands (with 23), pictured from a magazine. Her nails. Rosettes and stripes. Camouflage. Hidden.

22, 23, 24, 23, when summed may come to 92. Average is 23.

A voice once told me she was my wife- that I'm her husband, when she asked me, existentially, who/what I am.
She's the first-only girl I had a vision of her wearing a kind of veil. A mask. Or I understood the custom when I saw her.

Her name could sum to 184 (A=1, Z=26), with my last name, which is 23x8- Same as my mother. After her I went to work at Dominos, and met another Donna, who was the second Donna outside of family that I had met (more detail could associate, I could add). She was the only female driver, at this place. She had my mother's middle name, Faye (meaning Fairy), which was a first for me to meet someone with this name, and at middle, coming directly after ans certainly associated, with Donna, who at least I associated with mother, and she had my sister's birthday- August 9th, also a first by my consciousness, to meet someone with this. I've considered her like a mother, sister, daughter, and lover... Not to say, stranger. I don't know her. But I was taught a lesson in unconditional love.

Raven, was the only other girl to work there at the time that I started. Her birthday is January 22nd... which is the night Donna moved into her place, where I met her that next night (23). Donna ordered Dominos that night of the 22nd.

Domino means Lord, Master. The address that she moved into was 2209 and a half, on a street that means fold, or crease. My name numbered can be 229, using a correspondence of A=1, Z=26, etc, so the address stuck out for this reason. In the building that the Dominos I went to work shortly after meeting there was just one shop with numbers, 413. The sign reads Salon 4:13. Philippeans 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. 229+184=413.

1/31 was a deadline for us.
1/31 the following year I thought I had a heart attack and went to the hospital. Realized later it was a milk allergy.
The following year I rested on 1/31, to avoid certain potential shock. My first day back to work, 2/1, I took one order, to a Hart family, and then went home, as we were not busy. One year after this, on 1/23, I went to court to keep my license. My lawyer's name was Christopher. 1/31, my last remaining grandma/grandparent died, and two girls with "23"-birthdays contacted me, on Cupid, the night/morning it happened. My grandma had stayed in room 207 (9x23, just to mention) for years, and was buried on 2/03. On 2/03 after the funeral, I thought of calling James- a guy I hadn't talked to for ages, to see if he might sell me weed. I hadn't been high for a while. Wanted to be. I didn't call him. He ended up calling me, seeing if I was driving a taxi like I had talked about at one time. And my best-longest friend Richard called me after a long time, and introduced me to his now wife, Laura (his only other serious relationship, that I know of, was with a Lauren). Richard's middle name is Donald. Donna's middle name is Richele, so I have questioned this, or it has piqued my interest, about their names being so similar, and the "amount" of love I had for her. He recommended the book, "The Magus" to me, telling me it was right up my alley. He had no idea my grandma died, or that I was emotional, but I was glad to hear him.

James moved to Tampa on July 23rd- He told me it was occurring when we were in contact a time after the one previously mentioned. Once again, I had thought of him, after many months. This time, I thought he might ask me for help finding drugs, and when I got home, rolling a joint, he called me. This is very rare- People asking me for help finding drugs. Especially what he wanted- a never occurrence besides this once. Wanted to find heroin.
Donna is in/around Tampa. They both moved to be close to their mother/family.

Donna uploaded the above image (22, 23, 24, 23, nails) with the numbers within 3 days of my friend Richard's father dying, which happened 10/23/2012. The church that I saw Richard in, where the visitation was held, was Sacred Heart, in Jeffersonville, located at 1840 16th street (184 being resonant, but also 16... Although explanation is long, and perhaps not quite an explanation other than maybe I associate 16 with P and P with her, but I honestly didn't jump to associate).

After years of not being on my Facebook account, I got back on. Within the week or so that I got back on, two girls that were my friends got married: Amanda, which means "having to be loved", and Lora, which references the Laurel tree, popular in Apollo legend, Roman/Greek, and Christian symbolism. Since then, I don't know of anyone getting married- this being back in September/October. Possibly a friend named Aimee. Perhaps I just made notice.

I noticed Donna then changed her profile photo to this one above with the numbers, and then the next day changed her profile photo and cover photo to black, and then disabled her account, the following day or so, within the day, on 10/13/14.

Then I wanted to look for a girl named Amber, because I felt a connection. I wanted to see her moon phase. I had also just met a girl born on a day of a solar eclipse right before Donna, also born on a day of a solar eclipse, disabled her account- only the third girl I had met born on a solar-eclipse day. Amber, who I saw in Amanda's wedding photos, and who I knew though Christina- the first girl I was naked with as a child- my neighbor, and who I found special... Now also disabled her account. Within the week or so that I am back on. I felt at a loss... I searched for her. Wanted to know that day she was born. Regretted not approaching her. In my continuted search, I found a Donna, with Amber's last name- Templeton, was just added as a friend by one of Amber's friends. I forget who. This Donna is Amber's mother.

Amber then signed back on. Reactivated. I checked her profile- It said she became friends with a Laura. And I see the moon was full on the day of Amber's birth.

"Having to be loved", Amanda's name meaning. Cupid shot Apollo, making him fall uncontrollably in love with the nymph Daphne, who he chased. She pleaded with her father for help, and was turned into a Laurel tree. Lora. Aimee.

Amber is fossilized resin. ...Laurel trees are known for being very resinous.

Hard to find a stopping point.

I have found possible resonance with her, with Isis, and Mary, among others. And there are of course other things I have either neglected to say or have chosen to omit. I know people have a hard time comprehending what I'm saying a lot of times, and sometimes my neurotransmitter levels don't favor even my processing of any of this. If I could only find the right combination of words...

My mother taught me writing. I remember first writing the letter 'e', when I was about 3. On my first date out with Donna, we went to a bookstore, and the first book I picked up was one called Letter Perfect- a book about our alphabet's history. Donna had been looking to find her book that she wanted, on the store's computer, and I remember flipping through the pages, settling on 'e', smiling, remembering my experience with the letter. Then I felt her hand on my shoulder.

She ended up purchasing the book- Transmission (and me, nothing, but later purchased Letter Perfect).

 

[Journyman16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
Perhaps he is inadvertently trying to create a more exciting and meaningful life for himself, and has a bias towards seeking novelty to affirm his expectation. I truly think that is the most likely reason. At least, it has been the reason behind my own synchronicity experiences.

Numbers and mathematics are important to life forms who can use them to symbolically 'predict' the future. If I am scanning my environment for any form of threat, which I compare against past experience of the behaviour of said threat, accuracy of summation is not as important as speed of summation. Its no good if I say, "After detailed analysis, I can confirm that that murky shadow behind the tree's is not a sabre toothed tiger"; it is better if I react completely as if the shadow is a tiger. I lose nothing by doing so and gain everything if my prediction is correct.

Humans, as masters of symbolism and language, do this same thing but we have perhaps mistakenly formed the view that numbers and patterns are inherent, and not merely the models we have created to describe a deeper reality. We are scanning our environment, looking for patterns to predict a future event. Because we are utilisers of symbols, it should not shock us that we perceive them when parsing the environment; but because we know that they are simply models, we should be aware that the pattern probably isn't there outside of that model.

Put it this way; if we used a base 60 counting system, I'm quite sure we would not "see" the number 23 in our environement.

Yes, thats true, but I guess that the symbols shouldn't be mistaken for the real thing.
Or something

If we used a base 60, 23 might not be meaningful but the figure replacing it could be. Just saying. IF there are numbers significant in our Reality, what we label it or within which system we assign the label would not affect the meaningfulness of a given number. :D

Mostly what you say could be so, but numbers ARE inherent in our Universe. Ask any physicist or Cosmologist. 137 for example has meaning outside the human realm. There's i, pi, e and others as well as the Fibonacci. We are still trying to figure the quanta measurement for the spacing of Clusters and Walls in the Universe.

And in a reality where nothing seems to be actually real, formulae could be the basis of literally everything we experience - personally I doubt there will ever be a formula for consciousness, but who knows what we might find once we get a grasp of the immateriality of the cosmos?

 

[ebola?]

"In studying the kinetics of surface-catalysed reactions, the usual procedure is to propose a reaction mechanism based on the Langmuir-Hinshelwood-Hougen-Watson model, derive its corresponding equation, and then fit it to the data at hand. If the fit is good, the researchers then claim that they have hit on the actual mechanism of reaction.

Spoilsports suggest that this procedure simply represents a curve-fitting exercise, and that before one can claim to have discovered the reaction mechanism, one must reject all other plausable mechanisms. Just finding a mechanism to fit the data is not good enough.

In addition, with three to eight adjustible parameters that appear in these models, it is not surprising that one can fit the equation to a set of kinetic data. To add weight to their objections, these spoilsports like to quote the statement attributed to the great German mathematician, Friedrich Gauss, which when translated into English goes something like

'Give me four parameters, and I will draw an elephant for you; with five I will have him raise and lower his trunk and his tail.'"

Humans are adept at finding patterns and reducing problems to smaller ones; it's thought to be part of why we survived in the wild. People who can't interpret their environment to realize they're being stalked by tigers generally have a lower reproduction rate than people who make the connection and take action. This is also why people have a tendency to find faces in natural forms (wood grain etc)... humans are intrinsically good at matching patterns and interpreting them as things we recognize.

Good point. I also find your chosen example rather telling, as our human predilection to perceive patterns and hastily arrive at conclusions based on these surmised patterns, allowing for the treatment of speculation as truth to enable action to be taken within a reasonable time-frame, rears its head even in context of scientific investigation. Because there is an arbitrarily extendable number of hypotheses that can fit with any particular data set, one must pay careful attention to basing proposed functional mechanisms in opulent evidence, lest our innate pattern recognition lead us to spurious conclusions.

ebola

 

[What 23]

My dad was kicked out of a study at IU that tested something to do with vision. The guy doing the study said he was cheating.

He was drafted at age 23 for Vietnam. He went to officer training school, and there he broke the then-record for the obstacle-course. They had him run it again for a superior officer, and then again for another officer, each time my father beating his previous score.

By a psych-exam to see how he might potentially do leading, he was shown to have the highest score then-tested. But he jokes about it, that he answered the questions "like John Wayne would".

Due to his high scores in his training, he was allowed to choose what he wanted to do. He chose artillery- it having perhaps the least casualties for the army. There he became an aeriel observer.

Pattern recognition is in my genes . So is running Satan-courses :D .

A king cobra rose in front of him, eye level or about. He said it was not two feet away. He froze, and it went away. They also had a large constrictor that they began feeding, that would sun on the metal runway... Named Bill, or Bob. He recalls many times aircraft would radio in to tell the ground to get Bob, or Bill off the runway, spotting the snake from the air, and it would take multiple guys to go lift it up to carry it off.

He once was responsible for the death of a holy cow of one of the animistic tribes nearby, because he radioed the wrong coordinates for a target and the cow happened to be there. He had to go through a clearing/atonement ritual to appease the the tribe, which basically was a party, with the tribe happy to have him and a few others who went with him.

 

[Journyman16]

Good point. I also find your chosen example rather telling, as our human predilection to perceive patterns and hastily arrive at conclusions based on these surmised patterns, allowing for the treatment of speculation as truth to enable action to be taken within a reasonable time-frame, rears its head even in context of scientific investigation. Because there is an arbitrarily extendable number of hypotheses that can fit with any particular data set, one must pay careful attention to basing proposed functional mechanisms in opulent evidence, lest our innate pattern recognition lead us to spurious conclusions.

ebola

Well. first he doesn't give the source but it turns out there is only one other site where that quote comes from. I have no idea who Octave Levenspiel is but he is self-described as the Dr Suess of Chemical Engineering, so maybe he writes children's rhymes?

One must apparently "pay careful attention" to whom one quotes. :D

Here's the thing. There is bugger all evidence that humans have evolved in the past 250,000 years. That figure may be disputable but you will need to take on the establishment - I could help but, frankly, those who might ask already haqve doubts. :D

"In studying the kinetics of surface-catalysed reactions, the usual procedure is to propose a reaction mechanism based on the Langmuir-Hinshelwood-Hougen-Watson model, derive its corresponding equation, and then fit it to the data at hand. If the fit is good, the researchers then claim that they have hit on the actual mechanism of reaction.

Spoilsports suggest that this procedure simply represents a curve-fitting exercise, and that before one can claim to have discovered the reaction mechanism, one must reject all other plausable mechanisms. Just finding a mechanism to fit the data is not good enough.


In addition, with three to eight adjustible parameters that appear in these models, it is not surprising that one can fit the equation to a set of kinetic data. To add weight to their objections, these spoilsports like to quote the statement attributed to the great German mathematician, Friedrich Gauss, which when translated into English goes something like


'Give me four parameters, and I will draw an elephant for you; with five I will have him raise and lower his trunk and his tail.'"


Humans are adept at finding patterns and reducing problems to smaller ones; it's thought to be part of why we survived in the wild. People who can't interpret their environment to realize they're being stalked by tigers generally have a lower reproduction rate than people who make the connection and take action. This is also why people have a tendency to find faces in natural forms (wood grain etc)... humans are intrinsically good at matching patterns and interpreting them as things we recognize.

NONE of this actually says anything. Or maybe yes it does... it tells us the models don't have any relevance, but the rest is semantically meaning-free.

What are "the kinetics of surface-catalysed reactions"? WTF do Langmuir-Hinshelwood-Hougen-Watson rate equations have to do with this? Considering the search for meaning gives this... "The transalkylation of methylamines over a commercial amorphous silica-alumina catalyst was investigated. Intrinsic kinetic experiments have been performed in an integral plug flow reactor at temperatures ranging from 623 to 683K and pressures ranging from 0.2 to 2MPa."

The thing about "humans finding patterns and reducing problems to smaller ones" isn't actually valid because it misses the end point. Humans find information and investigate and reduce it to tiny bits of data and THEN, if they are allowed, put it back together.

Unfortunately in our world, the politicians have got control of the investigators and the whole "putting it back together" is gone. Now it is all about how we can support the fuckwits who just want our toil, our sweat, our resources and our cash.

And there is STILL no connection between seeing numeric patterns and survival. None. Any attempt to engage the higher levels of intellect in numeric pattern matching WILL get you killed by the tiger. :D Nature is like that - stop to see 7's, 9's or 23's and them there 8 claws on the front paws WILL shred you. :D

Anyone? Please tell me how seeing 11's, 23's, 137's or even 9's might hel your ancestors to beat off the predators?

Seriously - I want to know because the synchronicity thing is being attached to survival patterns. I'd be fascinated to engage in such a conversation. And I am NOT a number pattern person... :D

 

[What 23]

So THAT's what happened. :D

 

[swilow]

And there is STILL no connection between seeing numeric patterns and survival.

I think the point is that there is a connection between seeing patterns and survival, and numeric patterns are just another type of pattern. I don't think that the 'software' guiding this pattern-recognition discriminates; its makes less sense for the brain to try and determine what sort of data patterning to recognise and what not too, so it just analyses and sequences many patterns at once, even throwing up false information the way the optical blind-spot or hearing musical tones and loops in white noise or in the shower . Stare at a white wall and the brain will eventually try and create some sort of context for it and create some movement of shadowing and the like, creating 'coherence' out of nothingness. Inncorrect but harmless pattern recognition happens across the senses of vision and hearing and in the realm of thought.

I agree that there is specifically no real use for numerical pattern recognition in the context of immediate possible violent death, but there is a lot more for lifeforms to think about then that, and much benefit to be derived from seeing and working with patterns of time (day/night cycle), the moon cycle, seasonal change, seasonal movement of animals. I think its a byproduct of thinking and memory, and the way the human brain is structured. Learning is an integral and essential part of us, and pattern recognition is another type of learning on-the-fly.

 

[Journyman16]

Well... I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to have such opinions... :D

If they are going to slag you, they might need to bring bigger guns than just a semantically void heap of frogshit. :D

 

[ebola?]

Well. first he doesn't give the source but it turns out there is only one other site where that quote comes from. I have no idea who Octave Levenspiel is but he is self-described as the Dr Suess of Chemical Engineering, so maybe he writes children's rhymes?

One must apparently "pay careful attention" to whom one quotes.

Er...it's a pretty entertaining blog about novelty chemistry (that's still grounded rigorously in fact)...I think this gives sufficient license to quip philosophically occasionally, no?

ebola

 

[What 23]

 

[alasdairm]

^ what is the significance of that, to you?

alasdair

 

[swilow]

Well... I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to have such opinions...

I don't think anyone if trying to stifle his right to an opinion. (whether that is what you saying or not I don't know). However, using that apparent right to stifle others from disagreeing with the conclusions you are drawing is a problem.

Anyway, not much here seems to be about synchronicity as much as what23's unique pattern seeking mind.

 

[What 23]

@alasdair- I was looking at a digital 23, and noticed it could look like a digital 4, if it was looked at on it's right side-- the space between them (numerals 2 and 3). I looked pretty hard at others, to see if I could see numbers between combinations of them-- to see if I could fit another between the space between two, and found none. At least if they come before-after each other, I couldn't find any. I looked at them on the left side, and upside down, and couldn't find any more, other than "4" between 2 and 3.

Between 6 and 7 the 1 could fit, (or a backwards 7) but it's not what I see when I look at it, that way (looking at the numbers different ways). Still. I wasn't thinking about that as exclusionary. 1 definitely fits in that space.

Pardon the rough drafts. I want to get a good illustrator/design program.

 

[ForEverAfter]

The Arabic numerals for two (2) and three (3) are arbitrary, though, aren't they?
(It is best to think of numerals as values, rather than symbols.)

The Roman numerals for two and three are II and III.
And the Roman numerals for four and twenty-three are IV and XXIII.

Unless you can show the same relationship for all numeric systems, what you're saying is meaningless... and there's a lot of numeric systems.
What about Greek numerals or Babylonian numerals? Mayan numerals? Chinese numerals? Egyptian numerals?

You're not proposing mathematical patterns.
You're dealing with numerological symbols.

 

[What 23]

It is the most common number system, one could argue. Its used everywhere. Its simple. I imagine more people know it than any other.

These are just one form of it, though, of course. Numbers can be written differently.

 

[What 23]

1+2+3+4+6+7=23
Nothing else fits this way, that I see.

The heart has four chambers.

 

[ForEverAfter]

They don't fit.

The 234 pattern "works", somewhat, even though it's completely arbitrary.

The 167 pattern doesn't work at all...
You said you were looking at digital numbers and you saw a 4 in the gap between 2 and 3.
But there is no 1 in the gap between 6 and 7. There is, however, a 1 in the gap between 63.
But that doesn't fulfill your agenda.

1+2+3+3+4+6=19

Nothing else fits this way.

See above.