Synchronicity

[methamaniac]

If you like numbers/geometry you may like this..
RODIN FRACTAL EIGHT ABHA TORI MATRIX: http://youtu.be/unqKSfZfzho

Ihad someone recently make a pretty good argument that randomness doesn't exist.

 

[What 23]

^It would be interesting to see his case.

I've considered the same, based from that it is one, and separation to begin would be kind of an illusion... A necessary one for experience and consciousness to exist as we know it, but still. It just doesn't seem that it can be any other way-- that it all comes from, and is one. That on some level, it always is. From one, is one, will be one. I think as infinite as things are, they are finite. Like a circle bends back into (or, on to?) itself. Circle, spiral?

 

[alasdairm]

^ what do you think what 23:

999983=(((((23*23*23)*(2^3)*(2^3)+(23*23*23*23))-((23*23*23)*(2+3))+(23*((2+3+2+3)*(2+3+2+3)))-((2+3)+(2*3)))))

spooky, eh? how can that number be so mysteriously linked to '23'?

alasdair

 

[What 23]

On the subject of infinite and finite... I just saw this on my feed.

 

[What 23]

Alasdair, I never really use the words spooky or mysterious. Not to say they aren't things I've felt, of. And I'm not a complete dumbass- I understand math, a little. I really wish you'd drop your snide, or whatever (silly) tone.

Though, perhaps, even so. 23, or 2 and/or 3, works (in certain ways) in part because of its certain simplicity, perhaps. I don't know. Don't know what to say.

 

[What 23]

I do admit I'm not great math, though- not that I'm not potentially great it. Not that I cant be. But anyways... I must apologize for my attitude.

How easily, or how can this number (999983) be connected with 47, or 74, or 83? 51?

 

[alasdairm]

How easily, or how can this number (999983) be connected with 47, or 74, or 83? 51?

just as easily. that's my point.

alasdair

 

[sekio]

Something relevant I read recently.

In studying the kinetics of surface-catalysed reactions, the usual procedure is to propose a reaction mechanism based on the Langmuir-Hinshelwood-Hougen-Watson model, derive its corresponding equation, and then fit it to the data at hand. If the fit is good, the researchers then claim that they have hit on the actual mechanism of reaction.

Spoilsports suggest that this procedure simply represents a curve-fitting exercise, and that before one can claim to have discovered the reaction mechanism, one must reject all other plausable mechanisms. Just finding a mechanism to fit the data is not good enough.

In addition, with three to eight adjustible parameters that appear in these models, it is not surprising that one can fit the equation to a set of kinetic data. To add weight to their objections, these spoilsports like to quote the statement attributed to the great German mathematician, Friedrich Gauss, which when translated into English goes something like

"Give me four parameters, and I will draw an elephant for you; with five I will have him raise and lower his trunk and his tail."

Humans are adept at finding patterns and reducing problems to smaller ones; it's thought to be part of why we survived in the wild. People who can't interpret their environment to realize they're being stalked by tigers generally have a lower reproduction rate than people who make the connection and take action. This is also why people have a tendency to find faces in natural forms (wood grain etc)... humans are intrinsically good at matching patterns and interpreting them as things we recognize.

Just because you can fit data to a model doesn't mean that the model is correct. The same goes with finding 23 in things, you may always find 23 but I can equally as easily find 137 or pi or many others. The model doesn't actually prove anything unless you can find some way that 23 is actually special and relevant and isn't an arbitrary constant.

 

[What 23]

For me, I only began to notice synchronicity when I began to notice 23. For me it came naturally. 23 was the first number that I really paid a lot of attention to, certainly.

I still don't think most of you get it, especially with some of these responses. Like your Lincoln one, sekio. You just don't get it. I can try and try to tell it like I see it, but it seems some are just blind...

alasdair, I wasn't asking you to say "just as easily". I was asking for an example.

Some people seem desperate to explain away things. As if they really have a handle. "Oh that's just coincidence!", with no further thought, or implying there should be none. "Humans are pattern recognizing machines"... "Even finding them where there are none". And they tend to believe that it is the part of that that finds patterns "where there are none", that is what is occurring in instances like synchronicity.

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I was messaged one night on POF. A girl liked me it said- wanted to meet. I told her, considering- giving thought to how I said it- not wanting to say "you look like...", I said "You and Moon Bloodgood resemble each other". She didn't know who Moon Bloodgood was. I asked her her birthday, and I found that her moon phase at her birth could fit with mine at my birth- the shape of them- the lit portions, to make a "full" shape. This is rare to find (for me, in asking/discovering). It happened with one of my exes, I think, and also on my 23rd birthday (but not before... and I don't know when after), just to say.

Anyways, she stopped talking to me, falling asleep. I let it go. The next night though she messaged me, excited, saying that a woman at her work was saying how pretty she was, taking a picture of her and sending it to her husband, who then sent a message back saying "She looks like Moon Bloodgood!".

I became curious about Moon Bloodgood, and found she was born on a full moon, just to say.

 

[What 23]

Indiana 1 is exit/at mile marker 137 on the closest interstate to my home town, 1 leading to it. I've liked that one.

 

[alasdairm]

alasdair, I wasn't asking you to say "just as easily". I was asking for an example.

journeyman already picked a number 'at random' and i demonstrated how it's possible to show a relationship between the two numbers easily.

so it seems (to people 'like you') that it's crazy weird when you're hung up on 23 and you can demonstrate that:

999983=(((((23*23*23)*(2^3)*(2^3)+(23*23*23*23))-((23*23*23)*(2+3))+(23*((2+3+2+3)*(2+3+2+3)))-((2+3)+(2*3)))))

but it's not. at all. because you can do it with just about any number and any other number.

yet again, that you have to ignore (deliberately or otherwise) a lot of very mundane occurrences to shoehorn the 'meaningful' ones into their meaningfulness. but when you don't selectively view these cases, you can see that they are, actually, quite mundane.

my point is that you (plural) don't see it because you don't want to see it.

and you do it while calling everybody else 'blind'.

alasdair

 

[What 23]

He asked you to relate said number to 23. I'm asking you to do the same, with said number (999983), with other numbers. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[What 23]

So, is it shoehorning that I might say my first girlfriend had my birthday (the following year), was named Kristen, and was born on a day that the sun was blocked by the moon?

I hate to resort to this.

Is it confirmation bias... That my first girl neighbor was Christina, when I was little, and first boy neighbor had my name, Jeff, which means "God"? And she was the first to show me her naked, and the first to see me?

That Chris was the first direct sexual experience, him insisting to let him put his mouth around me, also when I was little.

That I have a Christ complex.

That the first time I came I was watching a show called Emmanuelle. That my first time to come in a girl was with Elsa- a name that means Gods Satisfaction, at a church (parked outside), listening to a 23-track album of Nine Inch Nails, track 23 is what I remember (before paying attention to 23), and she ended up marrying a Roman.

That my first friend at college was Chris.

That my mom went into labor with me at church, and I grew up in that church, where the closest I became with someone was with Crystal (and had sexual contact- her being the only one from church).

Yea I'm ignoring stuff. Stuff that isn't first. Stuff that wasn't seemingly in my attention, naturally.
And I guess maybe I'm ignoring my first kiss. That was with Heather... I'm not sure how I'll fit that one. I tackled her in church and planted one on her.

...ignoring all the other girls. For the ones whose names all together have 23 syllables and spell "M.A.S.K." when aligned certainly. Those I was serious, certainly, with. Thought of marrying. Just ignoring stuff in favor of who I loved. Ignoring all the other movies watched with that last one, to complete that- I remember the first movie because I felt compelled to show her, bringing it with me when I met her. It was about a guy who falls in love with a girl who wears masks, and likes people who wear masks, and the guy wears a mask (Vanilla Sky), and finds out he is dreaming in the end. And it does continue.

Just ignoring so much... To fit a pattern. If I am, there is more to it than you can know.

 

[alasdairm]

He asked you to relate said number to 23. I'm asking you to do the same, with said number (999983), with other numbers. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

let's use 47:

999983=((47*47*47)*(4+7))-(47*47*47)-(47*(4+7)*(4+7)*(4+7))+(4^7)+((47*47)+(47*47)+(47*47))+(47*((4+7)+(4+7)))-(47*((4-7)+(4-7)))-(7+7-(4-7))

again, the points you can do this with any numbers. it's not special.

alasdair

 

[What 23]

Just to say this: When I've seen numbers and their prime factors, being 2 and 3 a lot, it isn't something I dwell on. I know numbers can be related in ways. I don't think it is quite the same.

 

[alasdairm]

^ i wouldn't expect you to think it's the same because i believe you're guilty of only selecting 'evidence' and 'connections' that confirm your preconceptions, ignoring others.

just $0.02

alasdair

 

[What 23]

Well, in the sense that you related/connected, perhaps (they are the same, more or less).

And on some level, maybe it is all the same. In some way, maybe it is all "mundane". In some way, it is all special.

 

[Journyman16]

Just want to say, while it may be true that connections between various numbers may be easily performed, it's not really relative to synchronicity. It's not whether the largest prime number under 1,000,000 can be attained in such fashion, but the coincidence of (say) 23 occurring in someone's perceptual space. (BTW, 137 is also a very interesting number - aside)

It may be so that What 23 is pattern matching and a logical analysis may show he is missing many other possible coincidences or maybe selectively seeing 23. But just because sometimes we can reduce the importance of such patterns doesn't mean that in any particular case there is NOT synchronicity happening. It's just a different view.

At the very least, What 23 is seeing a set of patterns that, according to the posts, has been occurring for a long time. If it ISN'T synchronicity, one should posit a reason for WHY he is seeing the pattern. Escaping a tiger never really relied on seeing 23's and numbers are hard to put into any survival scenario that may have benefited from pattern matching.

I can understand maybe seeing faces in patterns like wood might be a hangover survival mechanism - it could have helped to see tigers in the long grass for example. But it ISN'T synchronicity and to propose that mechanism explains What 23's synchronicity experiences needs some kind of connection.

And yet we have numbers hard-coded into the brain.

 

[alasdairm]

But just because sometimes we can reduce the importance of such patterns doesn't mean that in any particular case there is NOT synchronicity happening. It's just a different view.

i don't believe i've ever said any different.

If it ISN'T synchronicity, one should posit a reason for WHY he is seeing the pattern.

i'd argue that a lot of the 'patterns' he's seeing aren't patterns - we've been round and round this so i'd just direct you to some of the discussion earlier in the thread for why i believe this to be the case.

further, even if he is seeing patterns, my point of discussion is that maybe they're just that - patterns - and maybe there's nothing more to it than that. what 23' position seems to be that there has to be something more at play.

apparently, because i have a different opinion, i'm a fucking idiot. i'm still not sure why that's the case...

alasdair

 

[methamaniac]

^It would be interesting to see his case.

I've considered the same, based from that it is one, and separation to begin would be kind of an illusion... A necessary one for experience and consciousness to exist as we know it, but still. It just doesn't seem that it can be any other way-- that it all comes from, and is one. That on some level, it always is. From one, is one, will be one. I think as infinite as things are, they are finite. Like a circle bends back into (or, on to?) itself. Circle, spiral?

yeah, its hard to describe/ visualize.
Infinity is finite in respect to one.
I think about a mobius strip when trying to visualize infinity.
The helps to remove beginning/ending/front/back/chirality.
When thinking about the universe I like to imagine a klein bottle. (Not saying that is its shape)
This helps visualize the increase in dimension with respect to the shape and energy vortex/flow.
You havd to leave perception behind and use imagination. Whats crazy is reality may be far more queer than what we can possibly imagine.
The only boundary may be that there are no boundaries.
Consciousness needs the matrix and the matrix needs consciousness.

One I don't think has been mentioned (seeing What 23 brought up other numbers) is the 27yo phenomenon - the list of celebrity types who die at 27 is interesting... :D

http://www.manbottle.com/original/Interview__The_Devil_and_the_27_Club
(Humorous)