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Switching from Subutex to Morphine for faster withdrawal...bad idea?

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herb0i0

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First of all I'm new to internet forums like this and I apologize if this has already been covered and I just couldn't find it. I really need some advice here. First a little backstory as it may be useful in answering my question.

Ok so I've been an opiate addict for about 5 years now. The last 2 and 1/2 years I have been on Subutex after swit in my opinching from OC/heroin. The bupe did make me functional but in my opinion it has just postponed the inevitable, fearsome, loathsome WDs. I've tried a couple of times to come off the subs but I guess I'm just a huge pussy. It just lasts sooo long and I always end up rationalizing myself back onto the subs or relapse. But now I have to get off as I'm moving to China in a few weeks and don't want to deal with this bullshit there.

I weened myself down to a small 1-2mg of subutex a day (usually 2). I know it's no original idea but I decided to switch to doing 60mg of Morphine a day, 30 in the morning, 30 at night. My thinking is that by doing this I can get some significantly more intense WDs out of the way in a shorter time than less intense long term WDs. Plus I HAVE to get off all opiates soon for my move.

- Is this a bad/dumb idea?

- How long would it take to get hooked on real opiates again and off the sub? - (I got about 3 days into the Sub WDs before I started taking morphine, which I have now been on almost a week.

- How long are morphine withdrawals? (I have little experience with morphine. I chose it because I never cared for it much compared to everything else and thought I'd be less likely to relapse into the lifestyle too.

So am I making a mistake here or what? Advice, suggestions, whatever will be appreciated. I just don't know what to do anymore, I can't tell the difference between addiction rationalizing and reason.
 
I think this was a really good move.. morphine has an incredibly short half life. you will be done with you acutes before you know it.. since you have only been taking it for a week try raking only 15 mg when you regularly dose 30 and see how you feel, if you can stay there for five days then you can cut back half again.. When you switch from bupe to another opiat you are just feeding the same physical dependence.. to avoid getting in trouble with a harder opiat antagonist like morphine then i would continue to tapper, rite away, and jump off as soon as you can.. asap, asap.. very nice work, I really look forward to seeing the results of this attempt.. your doing great, keep it up. AND PLEASE POST WHAT REGIMENT YOU USED TO SWITCH SO THAT OTHERS KNOW AND KNOW THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE thanks OiO.

Welcome to BL.. I like the SYF=D
 
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I did a similar method. I was taking 4mg of suboxone a day and switched to 20mg of methadone for about 4 weeks before I kicked. I saved one sub to split up for the worst parts of withdrawal. The post acute withdrawal has lasted forever. Clean for 33 days now and still exhausted all the time, but getting a little better every day. I suspect the PAWS is worth because of the two years I was on suboxone but I don't know for sure. I would hope that morphine with its shorter half life would be even easier. I would try and taper down a little more before kicking
 
Thanks guys, I was really starting to think I'd just duped myself into relapse. I will taper down soon but I wonder if it matters if you withdraw or how much you withdraw before you taper. For example, at the moment my day goes like this: wake up around 2pm, eat then take 30 mgs. Time passes and I start to feel bad, usually around 12pm I dose again. I'll pass out at 5am and wake up with restless leg syndrome and all that fun stuff. Rinse and repeat, what a life, ha. I'll keep you all posted.
 
Haha well I'd feel pretty spectacular...but I'm not that optimistic. I assume the withdrawals will get far more intense as I let more than about half a day pass. And I know morphine has a short half life but surely the withdrawals will last longer than a couple days?
 
Alright.. you absolutely b=made the correct decision.. I as well as many other people here at BL will attest, really you can only feel so bad.. lol.. your doing great.. I came off a huge habit last august, after a three week taper, starting from 150mgpd methadone, 260mgpd oxy, 6 mgpd xanax, and 40 mgpd methylphenidate.. I actually jumped just about straight off the damn methadone, think i had decreased my dose a couple of days before to 120 or 110.. if i had it over, and i never ever will, I would have done just what you are doing, i would have cut to morph, waited two weeks and stait jumped, i would rather detax morphine, or anything els three times in a row, as opposed to methadone or subs.. so you are doing great.. if i were you.. you can cut those pills into two and take them every six hours.. this will most likely help you a bit for the time being.. if it doesn't and gets worse then just go back.. but in the mean time you will need to see a physician and get prescribed clonidine and discuss a non opiat drug for the RLS.. the dosing on the clonidine should be for every four hours.. SO MANY DRs flail on this.. so ask them to explore a detox clonidine dose to be administered every four hours, you should start to feel it at about 3.45 hours.. and something like gabapentin or look up medications for RLS.. you can explore a benzo to be taken short term, and please only take it when you are kidding yourself that you may sleep, as it really wont make that much of a difference... zofran or another antinauseant.. than all you need a a little block of time, and dont make the mistake of sitting in bed and thinking about how awful you feel, if I can go to water parks, pro baseball games, pfo football games, catfish fishing, swimming (yeah with the hot cold thing idk about that one) the zoo (yeah zoos are terrible and all i wanted to do was let the animals out, but yeah i was having enough of a time carrying my car keys and they would have been shot.. lol) etc etc.. plan things to try and keep your mind occupied, believe me its much better.. you can do this!!!!!!!!!!!! but as we are preparing for the future, what are you going to do to stay clean, as what we talked about is the terrible uncomfortable part but it really is the easy part???


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Haha thanks for your advise neversickanymore! Sorry for the extremely late reply but I'm just not a regular internet sort of guy. Everything worked out great. I may have stretched out the detox period being on morphine and xanax but the end result was the same...freedom! It wasn't even really all that bad. Just about 4 days of moderately mild WDs. And yes you're absolutely right, staying clean is the hardest part. Of course I never want to return to the lifestyle and disfunction that was opiate addiction but there is one major thing that I didn't account for before that is way different than on opiates...sex. Being on opiates from my teenage years on I never really had sober sex and maan...let's just say I'll have to practise some eh endurance exercises. At the moment that's the only time I take sub. I know I shouldn't but I don't really feel tempted to continue. So I'm not at 100% sobriety but I am satisfied for the time being. Any step in the right direction is a good thing at this point. Thanks for the help man.
 
HAHAHHHAHAH FREEDOM=D

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oh and about the sex thing.. the more orgasms you have the less the paws will kick.. so i say have practice sex in the morning and afternoon and then go for the real thing at night.. lol

such good news<3.. remember to stay in today as it is one of the most powerful weapons against the psychological addiction.. nice path out you chose!!
 
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