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Benzos Switching from Aprazolam to a longer acting benzo, temazepam?

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talk to your psych about a monitored tapering schedule, you're digging a dark hole

the longer you wait, the colder it gets

daily exercise, sunlight and maintaining a healthy diet will make things much easier
 
so purplekush are you attempting to come off benzos, are do you simply wish to find a long acting one that is effective for you?

If the latter, I would suggest klonopin (even if though you say your supply is drying up I bet you could get a script). I find klonopin more similar to Xanax than diazepam, but I think there might be something to the idea that most long lasting benzos are more muscle relaxing then hypnotic. So perhaps klonopin supplemented with Xanax when the anxiety attacks become to much? Play around, I am sure there is combination of short acting benzos to control the attacks, while long lasting benzos will allow you to sleep and cover up the most severe of benzo withdrawal, the hot flashes and convulsions (and whatever other symptoms you may experience while you let your levels adjust to the long lasting benzo with less short acting benzo, for me, I experience diarrhea, head aches, high blood pressure, and a racing heart, but the muscle relaxing benzos will stop these symptoms even if you still experience anxiety).

Before I go on I strongly recommend whatever you want to do, you should immediately begin doing it under a doctors supervision. It does not need to be a shrink, it can be your family physician (but I would suggest maybe keeping a more open mind to therapy, it really is unfair to cast them in a black and white, drug peddling, good or bad narrative).

if its the former you are trying to accomplish my answer probably isn't what you want to here but it is my answer nonetheless. I would say if you are at the point where you are taking 6 mg or more of Xanax a day or more, experiencing hot flashes only 2-3 hours after your last dose, and only getting 4 hours of sleep a night (I believe that it what you said, apologies if I'm wrong) or require a zdrug for sleep (remember that benzos, zdrugs and alcohol all act on the same GABA receptors, albeit they are all more selective for particular types of subreceptors) then you are in a bit of hole. It's not the end of the world, many on these forums have been in the same hole before (including myself 3 times, in fact in the last week I recently completed a taper from 6 mg of Xanax a day successfully and have begun "phase two" of benzo detox, the post taper several months of feeling shitty phase). I'll talk a little more about that later. But what I'm getting at is that is it is possible, no matter how unlikely it may seem, to come off benzos.

Most of the current literature on benzos is beginning to say that long term placement on benzos is completely inappropriate in most circumstances, more destructive then the disorders doctors would prescribe them for, or like me and you, self medicated (I believe that is what you said, again, apologies if I misread). This is because of the rapid tolerance build up, requiring ever increasing dosage to achieve minimal returns, the rebound effects of what you are trying to cover up with benzos and the devastating (read: deadly) withdrawal syndrome. The current literature is coming to reflect that benzos should really only be used in the short term, under the supervision of doctors who know how to taper on and taper off effectively, until you can find a more appropriate medication to take and development of appropriate coping skills.

Anyways that's all kind of irrelevant if you are only using benzos to get high, but I believe you said you both like to get high on benzos and use them to self medicate. If that is the case then you and I are in a pretty similar boat. I began using benzos to get high, but discovered almost instantly that these were medicine I had been searching for my whole life, while doctors gave me completely ineffective ssri's and adhd medication. Benzos allowed me to breathe, to calm myself so that I could take a step back and look at the world without manic or depressive tendencies, to be able to handle my own thoughts like I never knew I could. Since childhood I suffered from insomonia, benzos allowed me to sleep. They allowed me not to be ruled by emotions for the first time in my adult life. I truly believe I had found a miracle medicine. The first time I became addicted to benzos, I knew nothing of the withdrawal syndrome and in fact I reasoned that since doctors prescribed benzos so much it would not be all that bad to begin taking them daily to self medicate. Not to mention, I loved getting high off them. Opiates were more euphoric, but benzos became my baseline, an all day drugged up serenity that I had never imagined. They allowed hours on my clock to fly by no matter what I was doing, I was never bored no matter what I did. It was heaven.

Flash forward several months later and I was using 8 mg of klonopin a day. I decided to come off them, mainly because I was frustrated at how slow my brain had started working and I wished to regain the full cognition that I had once had, and since I knew nothing of the withdrawal syndrome, or that it even existed I just cold turkeyed. 2 days of sweating, complete insomnia, muscle cramps, blood pressure through the roof, a heart pounding so fast I was scared of a heart attack, and throbbing headaches later I had my first benzo withdrawal seizure. Anyways without giving you my life story I read up online, realized how addicted to benzos I was and how seriously you need to take benzo detox if you decide to come off. detoxed off benzos safely, then got addicted again the 2nd time believing I would control my usage to keep from developing a physical dependency, but those plans quickly went out the window.

The second time I came off benzos my withdrawal syndrome was so severe, even under a pretty prolonged detox, that I had to begin betablockers for my blood pressure and heart and anxiety attack induced hotflashes. I took 25 mg of metoprolol a day as my betablocker, and I truly believe this was an essential and life saving medication necessary to complete my detox, and many who have been in a similar situation agree. To deal with the insomonia I was prescribed mirtazapine (another holy grail type medication, for me anyways. Let me sleep and gain back the weight I loss. I forgot to mention that when I become addicted to benzos, for whatever the reason, my whole digestive system is thrown out of whack and I become a 6 foot male weighing 130 pounds, no matter how much I eat), and trazadone (another sleeping medication). Anyways got through that, and a few months after I had completed my 2nd taper, my body had returned to homeostasis and I was able to discontinue all the medications. However a few months after that, I found myself in perhaps the darkest place I have been in my entire life, completely at the point of willing to throw in the towel so to speak, and became addicted to benzos for the 3rd time. Once again though (with the help of some one I could talk to and who actually gave me concrete advise) I was willing to come off benzos again. For the 3rd time I entered the benzo taper, and I will briefly mention that in benzo/zdrug/alcohol withdrawal there is a process called kindling, which I believe no other class of drug shares, that means each time you get addicted and go through another withdrawal the withdrawal symptoms will always be more severe by several factors. This time I was put on, and am still currently taking and probably will be for at least another 6 months before I am willing to see if I have returned to somewhat of homeostasis and coming off these life saving medicines: 50 mg of metoprolol to control withdrawal induced heart palpitations, hot flashes, night sweats and ceiling high blood pressure. I have worked up 200 mg of trazadone (for sleep, 4 times then what I was taking during last detox) 30 mg of mirtazapine (for sleep, 2 times more then in last withdrawal), 0.75 mg of hyoscoamine daily (to control withdrawal induced irritable bowel syndrome and diarrhea), 200 mg of omeprazole daily (to help control withdrawal related acidic puking), and 300 mg of Seroquel a day (to help with bi polar, this is a medicine that has nothing to do with the withdrawal, except to say that it helps deal with some of the things I was self medicating, however many people do not find this medicine no where near as helpful as I do and I consider myself lucky). I mention all this of only so that you can see how necessary having a doctor assist me in this process was. I don't see a shrink, just go to my family physician once a month, but it is a life saving god send.

I know just giving you my story might seem irrelevant, and perhaps it is but it was therapeutic for me and maybe if you see any similarities you might be interested in trying what has at least helped me a bit, when I at one point legitimately thought I would be on benzos for the rest of my life and that there was no other option, something I truly do not believe today.
 
Ah, youve hit the root of the matter for me mate.lol I get panic attacks from weed, thats how my anxiety problems started.
I had to give up smoking weed in the daytime entirely. Now I smoke it at night when im in bed to relax and sleep (ive smoked it for too many years to be able to sleep without it.
My current regime is 300mg of pregabalin split into two doses of 150mg, one in the morning and one in early evening. About three hours after my pregabalin (about 9pm-ish) I take 45mg of mirtazapine (another wonderful med) and 90mg of codeine (under-rated for its hypnotic properties imo). About 10pm im ready to have a smoke without fear of anxiety. I know its fucked up to take drugs in order to be able to take another drug...but I still love weed!.
So, to recap, I have to take pregabalin, mitazapine of codeine to control my weed anxiety.
Zopiclone is really nice, mixed with mirtazapine, the high is unbelieveable.
Zopiclone is amazing for anxiety but I wouldnt take it in the day, like the flunitraz it will end messy.
Etizolam isnt really an RC, it has a fair history of use in other countries (its popular in India and Japan) and is produced to pharmaceutical standard in India. You just need to find a vendor who stocks Intas or Etizest brands, my vendor is awesome and the quality of the product and service is superb, so good vendors and products are out there.
I see i actually tried to smoke some weed again i took 4 mgs of xanax at once bfore and i took around 3 mgs a day then and from 3 hits i had a panic attack on the benzos can you imagine lol. Im pissed off because i love weed more then any drug. I did loads of drugs but i always needeed my weed haha. So basically you found a waay to treat your anxiety whitout benozs, but with mritazapine,zopiclone and lyrica?

About codeine 90 mg does nothing for me. I dislike codeine. I need alot of it to get an effect and the effect is just drowsiness,nausea and itchiness whitout any euhproia. I think pregabaline + a stable dose of benzos would be great.

I heard apparently ssris if taken for 6 months or more can completely erase the anxiety ant not just bandaid it like zanax does. Problem is im scared and hateful towards ssris and antipsychotics and absolutly refuse them.
Bromazepam was found more effective than diazepam in a small case study but it has a lower potency than diazepam does.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6132936

It may well be worth investigating.
Ill investigate but i need to take it at night because i ll need to take 4 pills to match the 1 mg xanax i take at wake up. Its worth trying imo too.
Temazepan's used more as a hypnotic than an anxiolytic.

Try Klonopin (Clonazepam) tried and tested longer lasting anxiolytic, but more potent than Diazepam.
I can deal with dysphoria and excessive agressivity i get from kpins but they are going to be cut out of the benzo market where im at in a few months so not really a solution.
You need to switch to a long-acting diazepine if you ever want to stop the constant ups-and-downs. Valium may "suck" for you, but you will be safe from seizures or anything physical happening. The easiest way IME to switch over to a long-acting is by supplementation. If you're at 10mg xanax/day, take 9mg and 10mg of valium instead, etc.
It is going to be hard to switch over to a long-acting benzo, and even harder to quit them entirely, but you can do it. It will only get harder the longer you stay on xanax.
I see what you mean,. but like i said numerous time, diazepam does fuck all for my anxiety. I would need to eat 30 pills a day to be okay. It sucks as far as anziety goes. Rectretionally with alcohol okay but it just doesnt cut it for anxiety,
temazepam is really not going to help you here, it's hardly any longer acting than alprazolam, they are both fast acting benzodiazepines.
Fuck temeazepam then lol. I just kept people praising temazepam but apparently it isnt as great as its made to look.
I love bromazepam. That was what i took for 11 yrs/
What was the dosage you took daily?
I've been taking alprazolam, temazepam, and other benzos for more than half my life, each has a good purpose but they are all bandaids for gunshot wounds, and treating the underlying conditions do 100x what any benzodiazepine could.

I agree that benzos are a bandaid. What do you suggest then as far as treating the underlying condtion?
 
I agree that benzos are a bandaid. What do you suggest then as far as treating the underlying condtion?

See I disagree with this.

I've been long diagnosed with both clinical depression and general anxiety disorder. I live a very privileged life compared to most. Wealthy parents, very educated, nice house, nice car, nice job, amazing friends, amazing family etc... etc...

When talk of medication for depression and anxiety pops up I do take it quite personally when people suggest that medication is just covering up an underlying problem. I've had many types of counselling in the past but I would say that for me, there is no underlying problem. I turn up to counselling and they ask what's wrong with me, and I tell them nothing - my life's perfect and I have no worries. I don't have any underlying condition that can be addressed without the use of medication.

I do believe that antidepressants and anxiolytics are way over prescribed, because it's an easy option for both doctors and patients. And for most people, they probably do have some underlying cause that can be sorted with talking therapies.

But I don't believe that everyone can simply have their medication dismissed as a bandaid to an underlying problem that can otherwise be treated.

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

Since all of the suggestions, what are your current thoughts on a different benzo now?
 
This. ^

Clonazepam is the best choice for GAD and Social Anxiety Disorder, imo. It lasts an extremely long time, and has a longer duration of action than diazepam, even though its half life is indeed shorter. Plus, it has the same potency as Xanax on a mg per mg basis. Sure, it might not be the most recreational or "fun" benzo, but it does the job, and, like the EnergizerBunny, it keeps on going and going, demolishing any mild-moderate anxiety in its path.

I got tired of watching the clock waiting for my next benzo dose, so I take 1.5-2mg clonazepam every morning and when I got locked up, I didn't feel withdrawals until I was around day 4 without it. Mix it with White Grapefruit Juice every day, and you probably won't feel w/d's until day 7.



Sadly, this is true, but us addicts seem to take the easy way out far too often. That being said, if the OP is indeed using alprazolam chronically, he might be better off on a medium dose Klonopin script, or extremely high dose Valium script, but I recommend Klonopin for your usage.
Id be willing to do a daily shcedule of clonazepam + aplrazolam but like i said the supllty is going to get CUT here,eaning it wont exist anymore in pharmacies and wont be prescribed. The only way to get it would be toorder online. Just like lorazepam doesnt exist here.

I can deal with the bad effects i get from kpins but no point getting on them when in one or two months they wont be avaible anymore. And diazepam is complete bullshit, it doesnt work on me. What about nitrazepam?
Yeah the thing I love best about being on diazepam now, is that I actually forget to take my doses, sometimes a couple days go by and I'll be like, hmmm, why am I not sleeping so well? Oh shit, I haven't taken my valium since Wednesday!

Never had this with any other benzodiazepine. Clonazepam seems to work for some, but I would strongly advise trying diazepam first, clonazepam has been linked to causing depression and some other less-than-desirable shit. Plus it's ridiculously hard to get off of, most have to eventually switch to diazepam anyways. But to each their own.
Fuck diazepam i ate my whole script when i was black out drunk which nmeans 30 pills and i still needed xanax the next day so you see that it doesnt work. I think im left with bromazepam and alprozlam.
talk to your psych about a monitored tapering schedule, you're digging a dark hole

the longer you wait, the colder it gets

daily exercise, sunlight and maintaining a healthy diet will make things much easier
Thaths the problem, i dont have a srhink. The one i went to see went pSYCHO after half an hour of me refusing SSRIS and yeah. Im self medicating pretty much.
so purplekush are you attempting to come off benzos, are do you simply wish to find a long acting one that is effective for you?

If the latter, I would suggest klonopin (even if though you say your supply is drying up I bet you could get a script). I find klonopin more similar to Xanax than diazepam, but I think there might be something to the idea that most long lasting benzos are more muscle relaxing then hypnotic. So perhaps klonopin supplemented with Xanax when the anxiety attacks become to much? Play around, I am sure there is combination of short acting benzos to control the attacks, while long lasting benzos will allow you to sleep and cover up the most severe of benzo withdrawal, the hot flashes and convulsions (and whatever other symptoms you may experience while you let your levels adjust to the long lasting benzo with less short acting benzo, for me, I experience diarrhea, head aches, high blood pressure, and a racing heart, but the muscle relaxing benzos will stop these symptoms even if you still experience anxiety).

Before I go on I strongly recommend whatever you want to do, you should immediately begin doing it under a doctors supervision. It does not need to be a shrink, it can be your family physician (but I would suggest maybe keeping a more open mind to therapy, it really is unfair to cast them in a black and white, drug peddling, good or bad narrative).

if its the former you are trying to accomplish my answer probably isn't what you want to here but it is my answer nonetheless. I would say if you are at the point where you are taking 6 mg or more of Xanax a day or more, experiencing hot flashes only 2-3 hours after your last dose, and only getting 4 hours of sleep a night (I believe that it what you said, apologies if I'm wrong) or require a zdrug for sleep (remember that benzos, zdrugs and alcohol all act on the same GABA receptors, albeit they are all more selective for particular types of subreceptors) then you are in a bit of hole. It's not the end of the world, many on these forums have been in the same hole before (including myself 3 times, in fact in the last week I recently completed a taper from 6 mg of Xanax a day successfully and have begun "phase two" of benzo detox, the post taper several months of feeling shitty phase). I'll talk a little more about that later. But what I'm getting at is that is it is possible, no matter how unlikely it may seem, to come off benzos.

Most of the current literature on benzos is beginning to say that long term placement on benzos is completely inappropriate in most circumstances, more destructive then the disorders doctors would prescribe them for, or like me and you, self medicated (I believe that is what you said, again, apologies if I misread). This is because of the rapid tolerance build up, requiring ever increasing dosage to achieve minimal returns, the rebound effects of what you are trying to cover up with benzos and the devastating (read: deadly) withdrawal syndrome. The current literature is coming to reflect that benzos should really only be used in the short term, under the supervision of doctors who know how to taper on and taper off effectively, until you can find a more appropriate medication to take and development of appropriate coping skills.

Anyways that's all kind of irrelevant if you are only using benzos to get high, but I believe you said you both like to get high on benzos and use them to self medicate. If that is the case then you and I are in a pretty similar boat. I began using benzos to get high, but discovered almost instantly that these were medicine I had been searching for my whole life, while doctors gave me completely ineffective ssri's and adhd medication. Benzos allowed me to breathe, to calm myself so that I could take a step back and look at the world without manic or depressive tendencies, to be able to handle my own thoughts like I never knew I could. Since childhood I suffered from insomonia, benzos allowed me to sleep. They allowed me not to be ruled by emotions for the first time in my adult life. I truly believe I had found a miracle medicine. The first time I became addicted to benzos, I knew nothing of the withdrawal syndrome and in fact I reasoned that since doctors prescribed benzos so much it would not be all that bad to begin taking them daily to self medicate. Not to mention, I loved getting high off them. Opiates were more euphoric, but benzos became my baseline, an all day drugged up serenity that I had never imagined. They allowed hours on my clock to fly by no matter what I was doing, I was never bored no matter what I did. It was heaven.

Flash forward several months later and I was using 8 mg of klonopin a day. I decided to come off them, mainly because I was frustrated at how slow my brain had started working and I wished to regain the full cognition that I had once had, and since I knew nothing of the withdrawal syndrome, or that it even existed I just cold turkeyed. 2 days of sweating, complete insomnia, muscle cramps, blood pressure through the roof, a heart pounding so fast I was scared of a heart attack, and throbbing headaches later I had my first benzo withdrawal seizure. Anyways without giving you my life story I read up online, realized how addicted to benzos I was and how seriously you need to take benzo detox if you decide to come off. detoxed off benzos safely, then got addicted again the 2nd time believing I would control my usage to keep from developing a physical dependency, but those plans quickly went out the window.

The second time I came off benzos my withdrawal syndrome was so severe, even under a pretty prolonged detox, that I had to begin betablockers for my blood pressure and heart and anxiety attack induced hotflashes. I took 25 mg of metoprolol a day as my betablocker, and I truly believe this was an essential and life saving medication necessary to complete my detox, and many who have been in a similar situation agree. To deal with the insomonia I was prescribed mirtazapine (another holy grail type medication, for me anyways. Let me sleep and gain back the weight I loss. I forgot to mention that when I become addicted to benzos, for whatever the reason, my whole digestive system is thrown out of whack and I become a 6 foot male weighing 130 pounds, no matter how much I eat), and trazadone (another sleeping medication). Anyways got through that, and a few months after I had completed my 2nd taper, my body had returned to homeostasis and I was able to discontinue all the medications. However a few months after that, I found myself in perhaps the darkest place I have been in my entire life, completely at the point of willing to throw in the towel so to speak, and became addicted to benzos for the 3rd time. Once again though (with the help of some one I could talk to and who actually gave me concrete advise) I was willing to come off benzos again. For the 3rd time I entered the benzo taper, and I will briefly mention that in benzo/zdrug/alcohol withdrawal there is a process called kindling, which I believe no other class of drug shares, that means each time you get addicted and go through another withdrawal the withdrawal symptoms will always be more severe by several factors. This time I was put on, and am still currently taking and probably will be for at least another 6 months before I am willing to see if I have returned to somewhat of homeostasis and coming off these life saving medicines: 50 mg of metoprolol to control withdrawal induced heart palpitations, hot flashes, night sweats and ceiling high blood pressure. I have worked up 200 mg of trazadone (for sleep, 4 times then what I was taking during last detox) 30 mg of mirtazapine (for sleep, 2 times more then in last withdrawal), 0.75 mg of hyoscoamine daily (to control withdrawal induced irritable bowel syndrome and diarrhea), 200 mg of omeprazole daily (to help control withdrawal related acidic puking), and 300 mg of Seroquel a day (to help with bi polar, this is a medicine that has nothing to do with the withdrawal, except to say that it helps deal with some of the things I was self medicating, however many people do not find this medicine no where near as helpful as I do and I consider myself lucky). I mention all this of only so that you can see how necessary having a doctor assist me in this process was. I don't see a shrink, just go to my family physician once a month, but it is a life saving god send.

I know just giving you my story might seem irrelevant, and perhaps it is but it was therapeutic for me and maybe if you see any similarities you might be interested in trying what has at least helped me a bit, when I at one point legitimately thought I would be on benzos for the rest of my life and that there was no other option, something I truly do not believe today.

Damn that sounds harsh. I took benzos in the beggining to get high in summer 2012 mixing them with weed and alcohol and coke and speed sometimes. I then went on a month binge that invovled loads of xanax and H and took some fucked E pill that turned out to be PMA and it left me fucked up. Weed was my benzo before this episode.

No, i actually aprreciate you writing youre story. Im self medicating and just getting scripts here and there because the shrink i went to tried to push nasty ass ssris on me which i refuse thourghly. No thanks. Im trying to stabilise my dose, not come off the benzos thats the goal. Then, maybe ill try to taper off slowly. I Know people whove been on benzos for years and are comeplty fine and functional.

I took seroquel for almost a year and it truely is a zombie pill. I have no idea how you can function on it during the day. I took 200 mgs usually at night to knco me out after heavy speed usage and it got me fucked up really bad. Everybody seems to love mirtazapine, what do you use it for?

And im like you, when i eat i get a panic atttack after so thats lead to more benzos so i dont eat much and lost loads of weight since im on benzos. Thank you for sharing your story it actually brings some insight into the wd and that shit sounds like hell
 
See I disagree with this.

I've been long diagnosed with both clinical depression and general anxiety disorder. I live a very privileged life compared to most. Wealthy parents, very educated, nice house, nice car, nice job, amazing friends, amazing family etc... etc...

When talk of medication for depression and anxiety pops up I do take it quite personally when people suggest that medication is just covering up an underlying problem. I've had many types of counselling in the past but I would say that for me, there is no underlying problem. I turn up to counselling and they ask what's wrong with me, and I tell them nothing - my life's perfect and I have no worries. I don't have any underlying condition that can be addressed without the use of medication.

I do believe that antidepressants and anxiolytics are way over prescribed, because it's an easy option for both doctors and patients. And for most people, they probably do have some underlying cause that can be sorted with talking therapies.

But I don't believe that everyone can simply have their medication dismissed as a bandaid to an underlying problem that can otherwise be treated.

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

Since all of the suggestions, what are your current thoughts on a different benzo now?
I think its a bandaid that can be used long term. Like stay on X dose of X benzo for years. Anti depressants are over prescibed because the doctors are paid under the table to give em out like candy. Oh, you got insomnia, here ya go,take some prozac!. Oh you are anxious, he ya go, take some SSRis! Soon itll be oh you broke your leg, take a prozac itll help lol.

I have GAD,strong panic attacks,OCD,ADD and Borderline personality disorder. And a mild form of Bipolarity which develops more and more if i drink ethanol.

Well to answer your question im thinking of xanax + lyrica + bromazepam. I havent tried the bromaz yet so cant say.
 
Have you tried mirtazapine before? Its the med I credit with being the most benefical for my anxiety and depression. Its pretty much one of the best meds for sleep (short of an anti-psych) and has improved my daytime anxiety. Ive known 45mg (highest recommended uk dose) to dampen down an anxiety attack completely.
 
Well to answer your question im thinking of xanax + lyrica + bromazepam. I havent tried the bromaz yet so cant say.

mmm Yeah I've never tried bromazepam. Lorazepam/Diazepam have always done me well enough to stick with them.

I have had excellent results with Lyrica/Pregabalin though, literally melted my anxiety away and obviously it's much more sustainable as a long term solution than benzos.

Best of luck with it buddy! Anxiety's bloody exhausting to put up with, really takes it out of you.
 
Have you tried mirtazapine before? Its the med I credit with being the most benefical for my anxiety and depression. Its pretty much one of the best meds for sleep (short of an anti-psych) and has improved my daytime anxiety. Ive known 45mg (highest recommended uk dose) to dampen down an anxiety attack completely.
Im reading about it, apparently its an antidepressant but not ssri right? Id give it a try but i dont i fits prescribed where im at. Does it really help?
mmm Yeah I've never tried bromazepam. Lorazepam/Diazepam have always done me well enough to stick with them.

I have had excellent results with Lyrica/Pregabalin though, literally melted my anxiety away and obviously it's much more sustainable as a long term solution than benzos.

Best of luck with it buddy! Anxiety's bloody exhausting to put up with, really takes it out of you.

I want to try lyrica too but apparently its SUPER expensive here like 70 bucks for 10 pills in the parhamacy lol. And yes anxiety, is very exhausting.
 
I want to try lyrica too but apparently its SUPER expensive here like 70 bucks for 10 pills in the parhamacy lol. And yes anxiety, is very exhausting.

Aah I was going to ask where you were. In the UK it's made by Pfizer and costs about £65 for 28 pills so fairly expensive but well worth it if it works for you. 70 bucks for 10 pills is a lot!
 
Yes mate, mirtazapine really is that helpful!lol
Its not an ssri, I refuse to take any ssri's after citalopram made me hallucinate and sertraline sent me hyper-manic (think I might have mentioned this before.lol).
Mirtazapine is an NaSSa, a noradrenergic and specific serotonergic anti-depressant, its pharmacological action is completely different to ssri's that inhibit re-uptake of serotonin.
Mirtazapine blocks the action of noradrenaline as an antagonist at the a2 receptor, this gives it strong anxiolytic properties as it dampens the fight or flight response.
Its action at the serotonin receptors is as an inverse agonist, basically it binds to the same receptors as an agonist would but instead of causing a release of neuro-transmitters (like serotonin) its blocks release entirely. Its also a potent antagonist at the H1 receptor (anti-histamine)
All the pharmacology stuff aside, mirtazapine has strong hypnotic, anxiolytic and anti-emetic properties.
If like me the anxiety you gets bad enough to make you feel sick, then the anti-emetic properties are a god-send. In fact its such a powerful anti-emetic that ive only had one vomiting bug in two years (and that was because I started vomiting before i took it).
Its hypnotic (sleep) properties are on par with temazepam or nitrazepam etc.
Its well worth a look mate. Saved.me when is was in a dark, difficult place.
 
Mirtazapine is good stuff. Hell I took some as a last-ditch effort when a vendor mixed up 2C-E with 2C-P and benzos weren't working and the alpha antagonism actually brought down my heart rate significantly and I ended up going to sleep. Who knows, that might have actually saved my life.

Its probably the only antidepressant that I would consider taking on a regular basis and its the only one that I ever recommend for anxiety or depression. Definitely check it out.
 
Aah I was going to ask where you were. In the UK it's made by Pfizer and costs about £65 for 28 pills so fairly expensive but well worth it if it works for you. 70 bucks for 10 pills is a lot!
My xanax is made by Pfizer lol. Im in Bulgaria.
Yes mate, mirtazapine really is that helpful!lol
Its not an ssri, I refuse to take any ssri's after citalopram made me hallucinate and sertraline sent me hyper-manic (think I might have mentioned this before.lol).
Mirtazapine is an NaSSa, a noradrenergic and specific serotonergic anti-depressant, its pharmacological action is completely different to ssri's that inhibit re-uptake of serotonin.
Mirtazapine blocks the action of noradrenaline as an antagonist at the a2 receptor, this gives it strong anxiolytic properties as it dampens the fight or flight response.
Its action at the serotonin receptors is as an inverse agonist, basically it binds to the same receptors as an agonist would but instead of causing a release of neuro-transmitters (like serotonin) its blocks release entirely. Its also a potent antagonist at the H1 receptor (anti-histamine)
All the pharmacology stuff aside, mirtazapine has strong hypnotic, anxiolytic and anti-emetic properties.
If like me the anxiety you gets bad enough to make you feel sick, then the anti-emetic properties are a god-send. In fact its such a powerful anti-emetic that ive only had one vomiting bug in two years (and that was because I started vomiting before i took it).
Its hypnotic (sleep) properties are on par with temazepam or nitrazepam etc.
Its well worth a look mate. Saved.me when is was in a dark, difficult place.
Youre amking me consider it. Im going to go see a smarter shrink this week and ill see if he can prescribe me some. How many times a day you have to take it?
Mirtazapine is good stuff. Hell I took some as a last-ditch effort when a vendor mixed up 2C-E with 2C-P and benzos weren't working and the alpha antagonism actually brought down my heart rate significantly and I ended up going to sleep. Who knows, that might have actually saved my life.

Its probably the only antidepressant that I would consider taking on a regular basis and its the only one that I ever recommend for anxiety or depression. Definitely check it out.
I checked it out and its not SSRI so this is a + > And i keep hearing positive stuff about it. Can it be mixed with xanax?
 
Yes. It actually favorably mixes with a lot of things. Hell I rolled while I was on it and found I didn't even have a crash with only a slight reduction in the roll but a massive reduction in stimulation.

EDIT: Here, from the wiki: http://wiki.bluelight.ru/index.php/Anti-Depressants_and_Recreational_Drugs#Mirtazapine

I think im going to give it a try. It sounds kinda good actually and hear it foten on bl being mentionned as a good med. Thank you to you and everybody for the input and and all its really aprreciated!
 
Your very welcome mate. 70 dollars for ten pills? Thats extortion!. How much do you pay for your xanax? Is it scripted?. Im glad I live in uk and dont have to pay for my pregabalin, id be paying over a hundred pounds a month just for them.
 
Your very welcome mate. 70 dollars for ten pills? Thats extortion!. How much do you pay for your xanax? Is it scripted?. Im glad I live in uk and dont have to pay for my pregabalin, id be paying over a hundred pounds a month just for them.

I'm in the UK and have to pay for my own meds every month as the NHS refuses to pay for them:
Quetiapine 28x 50mg XR £95
Agomelatine 28x 50mg £75

Boo :(
 
Your very welcome mate. 70 dollars for ten pills? Thats extortion!. How much do you pay for your xanax? Is it scripted?. Im glad I live in uk and dont have to pay for my pregabalin, id be paying over a hundred pounds a month just for them.
7 dollars for 100 xanax. its ridiculously cheap here. Im going to give the mirtazapine a try but have to get it scripted.
I'm in the UK and have to pay for my own meds every month as the NHS refuses to pay for them:
Quetiapine 28x 50mg XR £95
Agomelatine 28x 50mg £75

Boo :(

Damn. Why do you take the quetiapine? I used it for a year and its a zombie pill for real in dose of 100 mg and higher
 
First post cherry pop. Cheers. Hopefully I can manage to make a post without breaking any rules. Here goes.

I've got pretty bad anxiety. Mainly just a constant anxiety that is exacerbated while I'm out in public. As hilarious as it is, when I'm not medicated, my "attacks" come in the form of me feeling like I'm shitting and pissing myself. No lie. Shrinks chalk it up to a triggered PTSD response from being in a prolonged state of fight or flight while overseas. Ever hear someone say they get a warm sensation that feels like they're pissing themselves when their stoned? Yeah that's me, except I'm completely sober and asking someone for directions.

Anyway, I think the key to benzodiazepines is finding one that doesn't completely kill your anxiety and get you high, but brings it down enough that you can then mentally work yourself through the rest. Otherwise, In my opinion, if you truly have severe anxiety, there is no pill that is going to completely rid you of it and still allow you to be functional. Go that route and you're lookin at a potentially serious addiction. But I'm not chairing an NA meeting, so the last thing I'll add in that regard is just make sure you're not confusing your unalleviated anxiety with what is actually withdrawal.

With that being said, I've tried pretty much every state side benzo there is. Temazepam wasn't bad but certainly didn't live up to it's hype. Plus, if I recall correctly, it's considered a "hypnotic" benzo, so idk how helpful it would be during the day time.

I'm currently on clonazepam and find that it works well for me. It is definitely subtle, but I purposely try to keep as low of a dosage as possible, just enough so I can actually function. The rest I curb with meditation, mindfulness, exercise, etc. Getting rid of at least your physical anxiety by burning yourself out at the gym really helps. If you're anxiety is truly that bad, I'd ditch the alprazolam as soon as possible. 6mg is nuts man, and all your doing is racking up your tolerance, which could all be avoided once you find your niche with a longer acting medication. But even for me, clonazepam cuts out half way through the day when it is supposed to last 12 hours, a typical regiment being one in the morning and one at night. I started at .5 2x a day and instead of jumping to 1mg 2x a day I do .5 3x a day. I'm currently trying to taper myself off, because I'm not trying to be on this shit for the rest of my life.

As cliche as it is, just remember that medications treat the symptom but not the problem. Good luck man.
 
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