Supposed DPT Overdose

Hi. This kid went to my school and I have talked first hand with the other friend that was with him at the time of the overdose. They ordered 2 grams, one for each person. Depending on who you are, DPT CAN have a lethal effect on you. but for some people, it won't. I would strongly advise staying away from this drug no matter how amazing others may say it is. because you never know if you or your friend could be the ones who can't handle it and overdose.
 
jedahhans said:
Hi. This kid went to my school and I have talked first hand with the other friend that was with him at the time of the overdose. They ordered 2 grams, one for each person. Depending on who you are, DPT CAN have a lethal effect on you. but for some people, it won't. I would strongly advise staying away from this drug no matter how amazing others may say it is. because you never know if you or your friend could be the ones who can't handle it and overdose.
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Children should stay away from all drugs including DPT. Until a toxicology report is released, I just have trouble believing in "DPT over-dosages." That is not to say someone tripping on DPT or any other psychedelic cannot have an accident...but a fatal OD of DPT seems extra suspect because the amount of DPT it would take to kill...which I suspect has to be in excess of a gram. DPT is an old drug, a drug well known to science, with a long history of human use...dating back to the 50s...and not a very potent one. This isn't 25-I-NBOME.

I'd like to see a toxicology report before anyone can call this a toxic DPT overdose.
 
The DPT caused him to have a heart attack because his heart rate went up so fast- which won't happen to everyone who takes it even if they take more of the drug than he did. like I said, it could be anybody. it might be rare and confusing but it does happen.
 
Those "other things" he found on the internet, specifically a website that sold synthetic drugs out of China.

There he found an array of mysterious stimulants and psychedelics, including the one believed to have killed him, DPT which his dad said he bought for $400.
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IOW it could've been anything. I'd eagerly await a full tox report but I have a feeling that it's not going to be forthcoming at least in the popular media.
 
If they both bought a gram, the price would come out to something like... nowhere near the 400$ and I know that I am nearing price discussion, but either the dad is lying about the amount of money and the source as chinese sources don't really do two gram orders. or you are incorrect in what you have been told, because once again no way does 400$ equal two grams of dpt.
 
I've heard first hand everything about this. This is my school, my class mates. I have talked first hand with the kid who bought the drugs. Our school is talking about it A LOT because of how many drug related deaths our school has had in the past year. I don't want you all to look down at me as a stupid little teenage girl who's just trying to get people to not do drugs. Because that's not what I'm doing. I'm just trying to help educate you on this specific situation and give you facts from the inside. I'm 18 years old, I'm not a 13 or 14 year old uneducated dumbass kid trying to stop people from doing drugs. I just want everyone to know the truth/cons of DPT.
 
To speak frankly, and, I think for all of us ...

First of all, sorry for your loss of a friend. Many of us have lost friends to drugs in various ways, I know I have, so our sympathies go out.

However it's important to gather as much information about cases like this as possible not just out of a morbid curiosity but to learn more about the drugs and the attendant risks. As far as DPT goes knowing what we know about this drug, absent any real and in depth forensic toxicology, it's hearsay. It's a shame for a young kid to pass this way, but implicating this particular drug seems like a pretty remote possibility.

Arguably equally hearsay sources on Erowid &c., after a brief perusal, report survival at doses in excess of 100mg, i.m., and tachycardia and an ER visit at 50mg, insufflated. No fatalities.

Nobody is saying that it is impossible that DPT killed this kid. But given the fact that this drug has been out for quite some time and we do not hear a lot, or at all, about related fatalities makes us skeptical. The mention of other "mysterious" psychedelics and stimulants compounds our skepticism as any number of these are more likely to be fatal than DPT. But perhaps if we are talking about a truly heroic dose or an idiosyncratic reaction (or a pre-existing medical condition, say, Wolff-Parkinson-White or really any number of things), then maybe DPT alone could account for a fatality. But rumours in a high school, grieving parents, and media histrionics about "mysterious drugs" and DPT believe to have killed him do not make for very reliable evidence of this.

We would all love to see some concrete data, but unfortunately we probably will not. What we would really like to know is how DPT came to be named and implicated in this case. Was a full forensic workup done? Was a bag labelled/analyzed as "DPT" found on his person? Mislabeling of these drugs has been known to occur from time to time with regrettable and at times fatal results, so if that's all it is it is a case of jumping to conclusions. Unfortunately the media does not do a very good job of reporting in cases like this nor do they have a lot of incentive to as their target audiences don't much care for the intricacies of regular "street" drugs, let alone exotic things like DPT.

Edited to add: Someone is editing Wikipedia to reference this incident, and I don't know their policies but I don't think that what we have here qualifies as a reliable source.
 
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SKL said:
To speak frankly, and, I think for all of us ...

First of all, sorry for your loss of a friend. Many of us have lost friends to drugs in various ways, I know I have, so our sympathies go out.

However it's important to gather as much information about cases like this as possible not just out of a morbid curiosity but to learn more about the drugs and the attendant risks. As far as DPT goes knowing what we know about this drug, absent any real and in depth forensic toxicology, it's hearsay. It's a shame for a young kid to pass this way, but implicating this particular drug seems like a pretty remote possibility.

Arguably equally hearsay sources on Erowid &c., after a brief perusal, report survival at doses in excess of 100mg, i.m., and tachycardia and an ER visit at 50mg, insufflated. No fatalities.

Nobody is saying that it is impossible that DPT killed this kid. But given the fact that this drug has been out for quite some time and we do not hear a lot, or at all, about related fatalities makes us skeptical. The mention of other "mysterious" psychedelics and stimulants compounds our skepticism as any number of these are more likely to be fatal than DPT. But perhaps if we are talking about a truly heroic dose or an idiosyncratic reaction (or a pre-existing medical condition, say, Wolff-Parkinson-White or really any number of things), then maybe DPT alone could account for a fatality. But rumours in a high school, grieving parents, and media histrionics about "mysterious drugs" and DPT believe to have killed him do not make for very reliable evidence of this.

We would all love to see some concrete data, but unfortunately we probably will not. What we would really like to know is how DPT came to be named and implicated in this case. Was a full forensic workup done? Was a bag labelled/analyzed as "DPT" found on his person? Mislabeling of these drugs has been known to occur from time to time with regrettable and at times fatal results, so if that's all it is it is a case of jumping to conclusions. Unfortunately the media does not do a very good job of reporting in cases like this nor do they have a lot of incentive to as their target audiences don't much care for the intricacies of regular "street" drugs, let alone exotic things like DPT.

Edited to add: Someone is editing Wikipedia to reference this incident, and I don't know their policies but I don't think that what we have here qualifies as a reliable source.
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I completely understand and agree. I think my point came off wrong in the beginning and I didn't elaborate at all. There have been people I've talked to who have said that no matter what, DPT cannot kill you. Which by my own research and findings, I have to disagree. The drug alone may not be able to cause a fatality, but the drug + some type of issue within the person who takes it may have fatal consequences. and not everybody knows if they have a heart condition or if they're somehow allergic to something in what they've taken. I've heard there is no risk in DPT, and I'm just trying to prove the point that there in fact, is.
 
well if he had a underlying health problem, like a heart disease, a lot of things could have caused him to have a heart attack, including extreme stress, heavy exercise, etc. so in this case you couldn't really hold the drug responsible. Cannabis can cause tachycardia, and I'm sure someone had a heart attack after smoking weed, but do you count this as a cannabis fatality?

only a proper autopsy and toxicology report will shed some light on this.

of course someone dying is horrible, so I know your pain, but in terms of the bigger picture, one has to remain sceptical.
 
I wan't aware the tryptamines have ever killed anybody. I honestly didn't know that that was even a real possibility with DPT. I remain skeptical. $400 of DPT is a lot of money for drugs no matter what the type. I would imagine you could get a pretty good stash for that price straight from china. I imagine it would have been a pretty large dose if that was the case. Doing anywhere near a gram of that stuff, good lord. 100 mg gets you pretty wacky, I wouldn't want to know what even 500 mg would be like. If there are more mysterious powders being bought and consumed, you can't really say for sure.

Sorry for your loss Jedah. My condolences.
 
Great post SKL, i concur.
Whatever the cause, i'm very sorry to hear this young man lost his life.
jammin83 said:
I wan't aware the tryptamines have ever killed anybody.
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As far as tryptamines go, I'm pretty sure aMT and 5-MeO-aMT have been implicated in fatalities.
I have no idea how dangerous DPT is - i've taken some pretty large doses of it and while it can feel scary and overwhelming, it never seemed physically dangerous, but that is by no means any true indication of the risk involved in using it.
After the whole bomamine saga, i hope this is not lumped into the 'deadly synthetic psychedelics' list, and that for the sake of the community, the truth (one way or another) is made public when it is known.
At this stage it could have been anything that caused this death - from mislabeled chemicals, a bad combination, allergic reaction, pre-existing health condition to the conclusion the article makes; that DPT was responsible.
I am quietly sceptical also, but not really knowledgable enough to say one way or another.
But every indication seems to lead to the the suspicion that there is far more to this story than was reported.
 
Found more information which challenges some of our assumptions. Most of us were thinking cardiac, but seems not.

According to this news report, better than most of the tabloid TV type stories already posted, he was found "in the throes of a seizure," transported to the hospital, and died there, not in the swamp.

@spacejunk, aMT and 5-MeO-aMT have definitely been implicated in fatalities, and (see infra, the animal studies) seizures to boot. But I might suspect this has to do more with their amphetamine-ish qualities and minor MAOI activity, neither of which is really applicable here.

However ... rare reports of seizures from (other) tryptamines in animals and man, the later including 5-MeO-DPT, which may not say much for DPT.

DDx: Serotonin syndrome? (In combination with whatever drugs or medications?) Latent (or merely unreported) epilepsy? What else?

Still, I suspect more than one substance involved, or a misidentified/mislabeled substance but, assuming DPT is indeed what was take, the fact that we now know it was seizure (or at least that seizure was one of the manifestations of whatever he was undergoing) makes the picture a little more complicated.

Again, proper forensic toxicology results are essential before jumping to conclusions. Unfortunately the media mentions nothing even approaching this. They are even calling it "DTP," and that even right next to the full chemical name. The absolutely wilful ignorance on the part of the media towards drugs, particularly unusual ones, continues to stun.
 
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