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Supplements one MUST take

bit_pattern said:
You guys realise most of you are pouring money down the drain, right?

I've only scanned over the first and last pages of the thread but there's a lot of misinformation going on here.

Vitamins provide almost no benefit for people who have well balanced diets. Ditto for stuff like fish oil. Spirulina has absolutely no evidence to show it provides the benefits the shysters promote.

The best thing you can do for you health is to eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables and exercise regularly. The idea that miracle pills are going to improve your health is just marketing.
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What complete and utter nonsense.

so one moment what you eat has absolutely no benefits then what you eat is "the best thing you can do for your health."

ask anyone who's researched nootropics, nutritionists, doctors, etc and I guarantee you the overwhelming majority will tell you fish oil is the very most basic supplement to a good diet that EVERYONE should be taking.

the other two for me that are indispensable are coconut oil and olive leaf extract. My diet is probably top 1% so I don't need much more but if it weren't, there are half a dozen other herbs I'd be taking on a daily basis.

multivitamins? Never. I do agree that's a complete waste of good money for most people.
 
Wobblier said:
My HIV doctors have said not to bother with vitamins as a good diet is all that's needed.
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I'd be very curious if you take herbs that are highly anti-viral like olive leaf? Read about it's astonishing ability to work at a cellular level and break up viruses in very unique ways.
 
In reference to performance nutrition/enhancement....not for the average active human being...

My personal regime when everything is in stock.....

B12 (hydroxocobalamin)
B5 (pantothenic acid)
B Complex (I.M solution a lot to list and no one really cares probably)
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
Zinc (zinc picolinate)
Copper (2% copper gluconate w/ Mannitol)
Iron
AAKG (Arginine Alphaketoglurate)
Taurine
BCAA (3:1:2 raito Leucine, Isoleucine, valine)
Chlorella (Blue-green broken cell algae)
Fiber

And L-Tryptophan for sleep.

Its really not that much anymore. I wish I could supplement all essential and non-essential amino acids just to see the possible increase in efficiency under extremely intense training.

Also, I have no idea why heart vitamins have ever been in my regime.
 
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Maya said:
I currently take:

Multivitamin x 1
Vitamin c x 1
and Omega 3-6-9 x 1

I used to take Magnesium Malate to help with the brain zaps I was experiencing and I think that it has helped me in beating the damn brain zaps off. I also used to take 2 x omega 3-6-9 and vitamin b complex due to the comedown but I am not taking them anymore and prefer to consume them naturally (from food).
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What the heck is a "brain zap"
 
Here's my supplement regimen:

Monday/Wednesday/Friday - Fish Oil
Tuesday/Thursday - Magnesium Malate
Weekends - B-12
Daily - Tianeptine + exercise

Fish oil has made a noticeable impact on my pain levels (pelvic pain caused by endometriosis). When I run out, the pain returns. The magnesium malate is supposed to be good for chronic fatigue, though I dunno if it's helped any. I was taking aspirin daily, but it caused serious stomach troubles (ulcer? gastritis?) that almost landed me in the hospital after only a month of daily use.
 
As long as you are eating a healthy, balanced diet, then to be perfectly honest supplements are not that important. However, I choose to take aspirin, 13 grams of fish oil, sometimes Mg, 100mg Zn, sometimes turmeric (although it does fuck all due to poor absorption maybe), cinnamon pills, b12, a B complex gummy, iron gluconate (be sure to get iron gluconate, not iron (ferrous) sulfate which is less well absorbed and much more likely to cause constipation), and maybe a few others I am forgetting. It is not a good idea to take a multivitamin if that multivitamin contains alpha-tocopherol (vitamin e), vitamin a, or selenium, all of which are not so good for you to be supplementing yourself with from what I understand.
 
A healthy diet, exercise and sunlight does me wonders. Vitamins may be necessary for some, however.

Some interesting and impressive herbs I have begun to use daily in recent weeks are Reishi, Ashwagandha and Rhodiola rosea.

Dresden said:
...sometimes turmeric (although it does fuck all due to poor absorption maybe), .
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Dresden, combining turmeric with black pepper improves the bioavailability of curcumin many times over. I recommend you do this, turmeric is a wonderful herb.
 
Just remember there is a MAJOR difference between someone who takes extra micronutrients for the idea of impoved health and those who take all these extra supplements that are correlated with the subject of sports nutrition.

Extremely active and high intensity athletes need way more macro/micro nutrients to accommodate their activities and further promote their development.
 
llama112 said:
We were talking about rhodiola, GABA, 5-HTP. It's good if you refer to what you're talking about so that people know what you're talking about.



Some people claim the GABA has a placebo effect but I am confident it doesn't for me.
5-HTP, I can't tell if it has a placebo effect or not. I haven't experimented with it enough. It's hard to judge.
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From my research 5-HTP is supposed to be pretty much junk, one need to be careful where they are sourcing it from or what the exact chemical is, can't dig any deeper in my memory to be more precise about this, just my 2c's overall.
 
Akoto said:
What the heck is a "brain zap"
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it's literally like you have a small electrical current zapping your brain, its an antidepressant (ssri, not sure if mao or tricyclics cause it) discontinuation side effect.
 
I take vitamin C and vitamin D everyday. The vitamin D is pretty crucial considering I work third shift and never get ANY sunlight. I'm sure I'm still deficient, but I'll see when my blood test comes back.
 
Took advantage of Cyber Monday sales to stock up on a cornucopia of life-enhancing and consciousness-expanding supplements from a few major vendors who shall remain nameless. Am keeping a nutritional log and an illegal log and so now will have to document a legal supplement log as well. Its been very busy as I am about a week into the new regime.

Daily Schedule (dosage grouped throughout day to maximize bioavailability):
*=started 12/1
Aspirin 81mg
*rhodiola 500mg
* Cayenne 40,000 STU
Multivitamin
Codfish oil cap 1000mg
Vitamin K2 - Mk7- nattokinease
*Magnesium Bisglycinate Chelate
*Garlic oil 1000mg
Curcumin extract 700mg
Bioperine 10mg
*Bromelain 500mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 100mg
CoQ10 200mg

Occasional supplements include (cycled):
5-HTP 50mg to 100mg
melatonin 5mg
tryptophan 650 w/valerian
doxy succinate 12.5 to 25mg
modafinil 50 to 100mg

New stuff:
Phenibut - interesting product. Had two doses, four days apart. First dosage was 390mg, barely noticeable effects (but the following day had an unusual incident with nutritional supplement stack). Second time was 3 split oral dosages with 6oz of vodka, about 1.1g total Pbt over 7 hrs. Pretty nice, well within control, day after felt great after lengthy cardio exercise. 1x or 2x/wk as part of a combo is my strict limit, with cycling and titration.
Kanna - not sure but some subtle stuff going on here. Have had two doses under 600mg. Did not hinder sleep despite reputation as an energizing herb. The second time taken with alcohol.
Blue Lotus - seems expensive for what you get, tried extract as a tea and got subtle relaxation, supposedly good in a combo setting. Jury still out on this one.
White Indo Kratom - One dose oral w/oj, curcurmin / bioperine booster with limited effects, about 1g, further tests planned
Red Borneo Kratom - One low dose trial, mixed with 400mg Blue Lotus, inconclusive result, further tests planned
Maeng Da Kratom - One dose 485mg oral w/1.5ozvodka, did not hinder sleep

Note: Kratom doses taken 48 hrs apart minimum


New Nutritional Supplements, taken as a stack in OJ, as restorative for endurance athletes:
Phenethylamine (PEA)
Choline Bitartrate
ALCAR

Note: All doses weighed with an .001 resolution scale. Highly recommend a scale for any loose supplement you take.
 
AFAIK melatonin is downstream of tryptophan and 5-HTP. Serotonin is the primary.

While I'm here I want to recommend a great stimulant combo, modafinil (50 to 100mg) and phenibut (500 to 1500mg). It's now in my rotation, once per week.

Take the phenibut 3 to 4 hours after the modafinil. It will give you 8 to 18 hours of juice, so starting soon after a good sleep is advised for normal schedules.

Of course it's common knowledge to some already.

I only found out after taking them and later finding out why I was feeling so great. This combo is enlivening without body load, jitters, or mindfucks, and has the Rabbitowitz YMMV seal of approval.
 
Cod liver oil
Super Enzymes (maybe added betaine hcl for big meals)
vitamin C
Nootropic Stack (for a cheap one it's Neuro Clarity)
Plant-based Protein
Citrulline Malate before workouts
 
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