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Super intense but short roll. Howcome?

heerutosen

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Hi everyone,

Yesterday i rolled and took a time released multivit and 4 grams piracetam +300mg ALA + vitamin C + Quercetin + EGCG + Magnesium 1.5 hours before my roll and fasted 5 hours before that.

Then i took 200mg crystal in one go (gelcap) I was peaking after 25-30 minutes ( usually takes me 70-90 minutes) came up like a rocket but was already coming down after an hour i usually peak for 2+ hours and i spaced my rolls 6 weeks apart. Could it be the piracetam or something in my multivit? Maybe the ALA? Last few rolls i only took 120-150mg with a 50mg booster after 1.5 hours.

Anybody have a clue what happend?

My next roll will be at a dubstep party december 16th (only a one time dose of a 100mg because ill be at full on ferry in the UK by new years )
 
Most vitamins will have adverse affects on your roll. Were your vitamins in pill or powder form, powder such as protein can coat your stomach and have a slower rate of digestion, remember time released vitamins and gels especially.Aspirin has a low rate of issue when rolling should you have a headache or low grade fever. You didn't mention if the powder had been tested, please do not assume your trusted sources should always be trusted. Methedrone and other similar substances will produce the affect you mentioned.

Don't trust your dog, I spank mine with a wet newspaper to keep him in line. :)
 
Most vitamins will have adverse affects on your roll. Were your vitamins in pill or powder form, powder such as protein can coat your stomach and have a slower rate of digestion, remember time released vitamins and gels especially.Aspirin has a low rate of issue when rolling should you have a headache or low grade fever. You didn't mention if the powder had been tested, please do not assume your trusted sources should always be trusted. Methedrone and other similar substances will produce the affect you mentioned.

Don't trust your dog, I spank mine with a wet newspaper to keep him in line. :)


It was in pill form 3 cap dosage(multivit).. Its from the same batch of crystal (2 grams) ive had for the past half year.. Rolled 3 times on it already all of em good. I weigh it myself and put it in gelcaps.. My friends roll started half our later and laster longer so i guess it was the vitamins i took.. Guess ill only take them afterwards next time. We both took piracetam so i guess that couldnt have been it.

Thanx
 
Hi everyone,

Yesterday i rolled and took a time released multivit and 4 grams piracetam +300mg ALA + vitamin C + Quercetin + EGCG + Magnesium 1.5 hours before my roll and fasted 5 hours before that.

Then i took 200mg crystal in one go (gelcap) I was peaking after 25-30 minutes ( usually takes me 70-90 minutes) came up like a rocket but was already coming down after an hour i usually peak for 2+ hours and i spaced my rolls 6 weeks apart. Could it be the piracetam or something in my multivit? Maybe the ALA? Last few rolls i only took 120-150mg with a 50mg booster after 1.5 hours.

Anybody have a clue what happend?

My next roll will be at a dubstep party december 16th (only a one time dose of a 100mg because ill be at full on ferry in the UK by new years )
ARE YOU GOING TO SEE SHM IN MSG THAT DAY??!!?!?! XD SO AM I! can not wait....
 
4 grams of Piracetam one and a half hours prior to rolling.
4 GRAMS.
Four.

Yep - thats your problem.
More important than the amount you took, is the spacing.
Since it has no toxicity, you can take very large doses of Piracetam without concern.
But it should be taken WELL before the roll.

I have read many accounts of Piracetam ruining or muting a roll when taken at the same time.
Other accounts claim that it needs to be spaced by at least 3-4 hours.
Some people claim it takes a DAY or two before its full benefit sets in.

I never used it for rolling, but I used it extensively during my recovery from MDMA over the last year.
The very first dose I took was a goddamn miracle.
A transformation - like flipping a light switch.

For the first several months I only needed MICRO doses to have an effect.
When I was beginning a cycle, the first 2 days were always quite magical.
Colors became brighter, textures stood out, my sense of smell, my libido, my spirits all went UP.

It acts upon the NMDA receptors in the prefrontal cortex, causing an increase of both dopamine and serotonin to the PFC.
This is the target of MDMA, by the way.

But I clearly remember every single time I took it - there was a 'waiting' period before the 'magical' benefits set in.
In fact, the transition was sometimes difficult. Piracetam can cause an INCREASE in anxiety for some people.
Others tend to agree - it can be intense as it is setting in.
Some people get very withdrawn or even anxious.
Becoming argumentative is very common!
But at a certain point, there is a change.

Suddenly your verbal acuity goes through the ROOF.
Its like the brain is working MUCH more quickly than normal.
It is quite strange for its ability to stimulate normal thought processes - because it doesn't feel like a stimulant.
Yet you expect to, simply because of how powerful it is.

College students swear by the stuff, and it is a great alternative to stims.
And it has been known to potentiate a number of psychidelics since the 70s.

I recommend taking a small dose the night before - say 800 mg.
Then take another 800mg in the morning.
Then take an 'attack' dose about 4 hours before the roll.
4 grams is a bit heavy - try 3.

I suspect it is more effective this way because the first doses are allowed to reach lower portions of the intestines.
This is the primary site of all serotonin - and piracetam is known to increase serotonin in the gut.
It will even heal ulcers.

Even when used this way, it may diminish some of the intensity of the roll.
But it should allow you to interact socially more than normal, even during the come-up.
And some people swear by it - without it they cannot even enjoy rolling!

Just make sure you allow it PLENTY of time to set in.
There is NO need for the piracetam and the MDMA to be hitting you at the same time.
That is not the idea.

Once the piracetam has really taken effect - you will KNOW.
And it does not wear off quickly.
It remains quite effective for the first several DAYS of taking it.
Just make sure you wait until it is fully settled.
No less than 3 hours.

But it does lose potency after taking it enough times.
By day 3 there was no transformation for me, just a nice continued plateau of what I was already feeling.

There is reason to believe it decreases the toxicity of MDMA and its metabolites.
This may be a true-harm reduction technique.
So is the ALA.

I suggest taking MORE piracetam after the roll is over.
And the next day.
The metabolites are around for up to a week - why not clear them more quickly?

Keep your total nightly MDMA dose around 200mg.
Do not start escalating the dose - anything above 400mg is considered in the toxic range.
Re-dosing is the most effective way to case 'damage'.
A small 50mg bump is pretty reasonable, as is the timing.
Don't wait until you are already coming down to take it.
And don't go back for more, no matter the dose.

Ideal spacing is 90 days - so the next roll is breaking this guideline.
Don't make a habit of it.
60 days is really the minimum I suggest to people - but 90 days is preferred.
I takes between 1-3 months for people to replenish their serotonin after rolling.
Much longer when 'toxicity' occurs.

The Piracetam is probably protecting you, so keep trying with it.
It should work better next time, if you follow this advice.
Good luck.
 
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I'm going to throw it out there that the vitamin C could have been one of the factors of its shorter duration.
 
ARE YOU GOING TO SEE SHM IN MSG THAT DAY??!!?!?! XD SO AM I! can not wait....

I would love to! XD.. But im going to a party in Amsterdam so MSG is a bit to far away for me :p


And after that in the UK with Ferry Corsten :D. Will be my first international newyears party!!

SHM is gonna be sick. Enjoy :D



@ First Bad Comedown. Thanx for the advice

I usually space em out 8-12 weeks but on occasion ill roll more often. The piracetam really helps with recovery. Should i keep the ALA for after the roll? Ive hear it also lessens the experience.
I will be taking all my other supplements after the roll and the following week.


Ps. Check out Alpha GPC. Combined with piracetam you get the same things you already mentioned + Even better colors and enhancement of music + very strong focus and memory.
Im going to try if it somehow affects my roll in december. It can atleast be used for recovery from what ive been able to find about it online
 
Yes, ALA after the roll is a wise idea.

But I have NO doubt that exercise during the first few days after rolling goes FAR beyond the capabilities of supplements.
This is due to BDNF release, a serotonin nerve growth factor.
Piracetam, ALA, healthy diet, and exercise would make for the best pre and post loading regimen.

GPC is great.
Try lecithin - which contains a HUGE amount of phosphatidylcholine.
And its much cheaper. It also has other good stuff, like inositol in it.
In fact, try taking it for about 2-3 days prior to rolling.
Just take teaspoon size doses, as too much can make you feel fucked up.

It causes your lymph nodes to increase cholesterol content in their fluid.
This can be felt in the nodes around the neck and ears for sure.
But after a few days of taking it, it is felt in other very important lymph nodes.
It will cause a drastic increase in semen!
And more sensation at the same time...
Porn stars have used it for this reason - but too much is a BAD idea.
You will literally feel your glands swelling like you have the flu.

I have not heard that ALA lessens the roll, but it wouldn't surprise me.
MDMA is a selective neurotoxin.
Blocking part of its toxicity, the production of reactive oxygen and nitrogen species, may indeed lessen the experience.
This would be a supplement that I would take well before the roll, not at the same time.
It increases the stores of gluthianone, the brain's most powerful anti-oxidant.
By taking it for a few days leading up to the experience, you should increase your gluthianone levels substantially.
No need to combine it directly.

Try working out REAL hard for a week prior to the roll.
Give yourself TWO days to heal/recover.
Then let us know how it potentiated the roll!
 
Already taking lecithin in capsule form (2 a day) ill try upping the dosage to see how it feels.
I workout 3 days a weak at high intensity. Guess thats why i dont get the comedowns my non athletic friends get :)


Yeah i figured i would just keep taking all my supplements up until the day i roll and right after.
I will let you guys know ;)

It will be my first time taking a pressed pil with some amp in it. This will be the only time i will be doing this, since such a combo is more harmfull and will prolly leave me hungover. Figured id need the energy since i want to be there for a while. It contains 140mg MDMA and i might bring one capsule with 80mg crystal for a possible redose.

What would you recommend. Can you redose past 1.5 hour optimal mark since a pressed pill is more time released? Or should i not redose at all? How long would a pressed pill last me vs the same amount pure crystal?

Thanx
 
First off al was it definitely MDMA? methylone feels exactly the way you described. Quick come up and intense but short peak. did you test it before consuming?
 
Probably just placebo. Not every roll is going to be the same or last the same length of time. Your state of mind is going to be the biggest factor.
 
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