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Super Important - Drugs and Driving

Flea: My flame (that was here before)was a bit harsh (partly a result of stress and very little sleep).. but mainly because your last post just made me angry.
I totally agree with your point that driving while scat or whatever does happen. Yes, it does, and yes, I think that's bad. And logically moving along from that, I think that we should take actions to try and avoid it. Big changes don't happen overnight; when people come into this thread and read DQs story, it often hits home for just one more person - and that's one more person who doesn't drive anymore.
I just got really mad, because you made one post with some dodgy remarks (dodgy = non-constructive and insensitive) which I thought was not the greatest post in the world, but tried to respond to in a constructive way... but then you went and posted almost exactly the same thing, but with even less discretion. You just seemed to miss the point.
I just think a lot of what you said was selfish and immature - or maybe those interpretations are just based on the fact that there seemed to be very little development of your thoughts by digestion of other input.
Whether I have misunderstood you or not, I don't know, but I think your train of thought was fairly clearly presented.
You thoroughly expressed your observation that people do drive while scat or on drugs. Twice in fact. However this wasn't a new revelation - we realise that it happens and are actually at the next step, which you could probably call either prevention and/or reduction. Having "polls" on who drives while affected doesn't really go with the theme.
You do actually seemed to be concerned about this as an issue - so it makes me feel awful for telling you to get fucked. Do take positive action in response to this topic, and don't take too much offence from my flame. Maybe for you to understand it better you should read the entire other thread, and then your posts again, and you might see why your they were ripped to pieces.
Here you go: http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000803.html?reload=144
And once you've read that, I'll start you off with one of your best comments imho:
"wondering who else does it... and just wondering if your phased / concerned about it??"
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Meh, I don't like this post anymore... it's not nice and probably not how I'd actually discuss the whole thing with you if we were having a conversation. But it's better than what I put here before, and is my honest opinion.. so yeah, whatever. I also feel like I've hijacked this thread when it's not mine to defend. I guess even though it's not mine, I still agree with it. Fuck I'm tired.
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i will not drive, if i'm speeding
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To be honest driving while on speed while not tired is better than driving tired in terms of your reaction speed (not factoring overconfidence, but the result would be the same). You will not drive while speeding... so why are you still happy to drive tired?
But I really like this one:
im almost positive I would notice a car on the road.
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aaaaaaah...... 'almost' as in 'not always'?
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ROAMER: Good luck with your bike. Some advice: buy a trail bike first, and ride it until its an extension of your body. Itll need to feel like that for you to get home from most rides safely. THATS how many people dont see you. On any given ride youll come close to getting hit about twice.
 
I'll start off with my most important/relevent topic. DQ you have made me take a step back, think and re-evaluate my own ways, thankyou.
I am often the allocated driver, as I am the most comfortable driving after a night out.
I do not drive if I am likely to be over the alcohol limit but do drive occasionally after drugs. However, I will not drive if I believe that my driving will be degraded.
Furthermore I am extremely conscious of the possibility that even tho I don't realise it - my driving abiblity might not be at it's normal level, therefore I put all my energy into driving carefully.
I realise the aim of this thread is to explain that driving on drugs is unacceptable, and I agree it is not a favourable situation. However, I am kinda with Flea in that I probably could not afford (& this is not an exaggeration, i live in Perth, few ppl live near me who I club with) the $60-$70 extra it would cost for a taxi.
As much as I understand's the criticisms made about Flea's posts, I respect her/his honesty. It's very possible he/she was just playing the protagonist in parts and at other times being a realist. As a critical person I often find idealist views hard to consume. Therefore I feel a post like fleas was necessary to include representation of the views which are also held by many. I'm sure flea was affected as I was by DQ's unfortuate situation. & DQ I want to extend my hugest sympathesies.
 
wicked chick: leave your car at a friend's house before you go out, catch a cab back and stay there for a few hours, sleep it off, THEN think about driving home. simple. we do it all the time.
Flea: appreciate your honesty but that doesn't make your points any more valid.
 
The reason for my first post was to see who does drive scat, and if they're aware that its dangerous and if they have any problems with doing so...
The second post was to try to clear up the first post, i thought some people read it, and mis understood what I was trying to say and what I actually do.
In response to DQ's comment about money, I'm willing to spend that money on a night out, cause i wanna have a good night out. Unfortunatly, if i put aside $10 for a cab each time i go out, I wont be able to spend the extra $10 on the other stuff...
Selfishly, I will admit that I'd rather spend the $10 on the 'other things', than save it for a cab home. I'm a smoker aswell, so i need to put aside $10 for cigarettes too, if driving will save the group some money, so we can afford other 'shit', i will once again selfishly say , that it will happen.
I wish my group had enough cash and resources to catch cabs everywhere... hop in a cab no more than 10m from the exit, and tell some guy where to take us... shit, who wouldn't want that? but the truth is, if we do that... we wont be able to waste our money on other pointless 'shit', this is what happens and im not ashamed to say it.
Fuck now im just rambling. Sorry for any comments made, which offended people, and strayed from the subject, or even went against the subject.
I was going to start a new thread about scat driving, asking who does and what not... but then though i'd use teh cool search feature so that the mods wouldnt blow up in my face and say there is already a thread, connected to your subject and your wasting bandwith and space by creating more threads!
I'll close this off, by saying I beleive i'm a reasonably sensible person when it comes to important issues, you guys may disagree.. but shit hey... i'm flea, and these are my views...
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Just want to add that I will no longer be posting, in this thread as... well, my attempted involvement into this discussion isnt warranted.
If anyone wishes to flame/raise more issues/chat to me about my unrelated topic, feel free to icq/irc or email me.
irc: flea (#bluelight)
icq: 9906267
email: [email protected]
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I'm willing to spend that money on a night out, cause i wanna have a good night out. Unfortunatly, if i put aside $10 for a cab each time i go out, I wont be able to spend the extra $10 on the other stuff...
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yes Flea, selfish. very selfish. i hope you can justify that to yourself when you're in court explaining how you knew you shouldn't be driving, but you were feeling a bit selfish, so you did it anyway. i mean, it's a shame about that kid you ran over, and you're really sorry for him and his parents... but who wants to catch a cab when you can drive home and spend the money on cigarettes.
now that is just a fucked-up attitude.
go and wrap yourself around a power pole and don't say you weren't warned.
 
this one definately needs a bump...please read it people...if you haven't read DQ's first post for a while...re-read it and remind yourself why you are a good enough person to put aside $10 each weekend...
 
This is a most vital topic...... and i have only a coupla things to say.
1. Think before you act - is it really that difficult! Driving should be treated as a privilege, not a right. You do not have the right to get into a car and drive home when you're off in La-La land...... no matter how great you may feel at the time.
2. Be responsible. Need i say more?
3. Don't rush yourself to get underway either, if you've had a good night out, don't be in a hurry to get home, take it easy, chill out, get a coffee, have a break etc..
4. No matter how good a driver you think you may be, it may not be you who is the problem, however in this case i might say it is. Like Roamer said, stopping distances are huge, and if you're coming back on a country road from a doof, increase that stopping distance to about 400m.
I do road design as a civil engineer. We try and minimise the accident risk and fatigue created by road design to the motorist. The cost related to the community from accidents is about $1.2M and this takes no account of the loss to a family and friends.
I've seen the consequences too many times to even go into it here, and been to a couple too many funerals as well from car-related accidents.
Listen to that voice in your head telling you to chill for a bit or get a taxi or something, coz i don't want to go to any more 'wakes' until i am fifty, especially not ones for my friends who didn't think before getting in their cars.
Take care out there, eh?
LV
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Another suggestion is don't take a cab - use public transport. Hell I know here in Melbourne that the vast majority of times I walk out of a club - the trams/buses/trains are running and they're a much better option than a cab. And it doesn't cost you $10 - it will only cost you the shrapnel you've collected during the night.
Yeah it might be inconvenient waiting for a train - yeah it mightn't take it to exactly where you want to go - but anything's better than a car driven by someone that shouldn't be driving. Even if it requires a short walk it shouldn't be viewed as a task. Use the walk to wind-down, get some fresh air and watch the sun-rise (or whatever).
It's scary the amount of people I know that will drive to a club when there is a perfectly good tram/train that will take them to within a block of where they want to go anyway. It ultimately costs less than a car ride - so the economics of it aren't an issue...
 
yeah and catching a train or tram home with friends is actually a lot of fun, particularly on beautiful sunny mornings. you can just sit and relax and talk shit for the whole journey, and then stroll home in the sunshine. if you're by yourself a discman and some choice CDs can have the same effect. i'm continually amazed by how much i enjoy the 35 minute train ride home.
oh yeah, and i've never killed anyone by catching the train home.
 
I am the converted. I am usually good about not driving after a big nite, tho i am guilty of driving home after no sleep and a few pills. I was thinking about driving to the next rave. But, i definitely won't now.
The more i think about it, the more I thought about the consequences. Thanx DQ for making me think more.
Munchkinz.
 
Flea.
you would rather save ten dollars for your drugs than for a cab ride home that MAY save your life!
Man, without sounding like an absolute asshole, it seems like YOU NEED to find out the hard way! Man, read DQ's original post! Think about HOW MUCH YOUR LIFE is affected by what may happen. If you keep doing what you are doing eventually your luck will run out. And dude, it is fucking luck.
You think your on the ball, your vision is fine and your reflexes are A O.K.
Think again dude.
Yes, I would bet my bottom dollar you are MUCH better off driving semi-fucked than absolutely pissed. But you are better off catching a cab than driving semi-fucked.
YOU ARE BETTER OFF WAKING UP WITH YOUR BODY STILL WORKING AND YOUR LOVED ONES AROUND YOU.
Cherish that, because if you keep it up, those things wont be around for much longer
And that's all I have to say
*HUGS TO YOU DQ*
 
thanks Bunny, love your work.
Re: Earthcore and driving, the Earthcore promoters have organised buses to transport partygoers to and from the venue. bus tickets are $10 (i think) and available from a variety of outlets, listed on the earthcore website. i'm planning to take advantage of this excellent service myself, as there is obviously no way i would drive home after the party. otherwise i would email the earthcore promoters and ask about whether it's possible to camp for a few hours while you sleep it all off.
cheers,
DQ.
 
DQ its more than OK to camp after the event. That's what I'll be doing and have done at most bushies I go to.
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Dancing, the eternal quest to mash my ankles into dust.
 
Of interest, another Perth Bluelighter was, on leaving MOS last Sunday morning, witness to another raver who had hit a lampost at high speed on the freeway while driving home from the event.
 
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