Suicide thread, for assitance and support for all things related to suicide

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This first post is taken from the original suicide thread which can be found here.

We also have an extensive list of mental health support and resources which can be found here.

Help is never too far away so please reach out if you need assistance <3

If you are feeling suicidal now, please stop long enough to read this. It will only take about five minutes. I do not want to talk you out of your bad feelings. I am not a therapist or other mental health professional - only someone who knows what it is like to be in pain.

I don’t know who you are, or why you are reading this page. I only know that for the moment, you’re reading it, and that is good. I can assume that you are here because you are troubled and considering ending your life. If it were possible, I would prefer to be there with you at this moment, to sit with you and talk, face to face and heart to heart. But since that is not possible, we will have to make do with this.

I have known a lot of people who have wanted to kill themselves, so I have some small idea of what you might be feeling. I know that you might not be up to reading a long book, so I am going to keep this short. While we are together here for the next five minutes, I have five simple, practical things I would like to share with you. I won’t argue with you about whether you should kill yourself. But I assume that if you are thinking about it, you feel pretty bad.

Well, you’re still reading, and that’s very good. I’d like to ask you to stay with me for the rest of this page. I hope it means that you’re at least a tiny bit unsure, somewhere deep inside, about whether or not you really will end your life. Often people feel that, even in the deepest darkness of despair. Being unsure about dying is okay and normal. The fact that you are still alive at this minute means you are still a little bit unsure. It means that even while you want to die, at the same time some part of you still wants to live. So let’s hang on to that, and keep going for a few more minutes.

Start by considering this statement:

“Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.”

That’s all it’s about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn’t even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could.

Don’t accept it if someone tells you, “that’s not enough to be suicidal about.” There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else, may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.

When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.

You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.

Now I want to tell you five things to think about.


1. You need to hear that people do get through this -- even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.


2. Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, “I will wait 24 hours before I do anything.” Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself, doesn’t mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it’s just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.


3. People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.


4. Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.

But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time, and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you. Find one of them. Now. Use your 24 hours, or your week, and tell someone what’s going on with you. It is okay to ask for help. Try:

* Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
* Call 1-800-SUICIDE in the U.S.
* Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
* Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
* Call a psychotherapist
* Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen

But don’t give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are, releases an awful lot of the pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.

5. Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.

Well, it’s been a few minutes and you’re still with me. I’m really glad.

Since you have made it this far, you deserve a reward. I think you should reward yourself by giving yourself a gift. The gift you will give yourself is a coping resource. Remember, back up near the top of the page, I said that the idea is to make sure you have more coping resources than you have pain. So let’s give you another coping resource, or two, or ten...! until they outnumber your sources of pain.

Now, while this page may have given you some small relief, the best coping resource we can give you is another human being to talk with. If you find someone who wants to listen, and tell them how you are feeling and how you got to this point, you will have increased your coping resources by one. Hopefully the first person you choose won’t be the last. There are a lot of people out there who really want to hear from you. It’s time to start looking around for one of them.

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/
 
I'm doing some in depth research on the best methods to go through with it. Something that will make me feel like I'm just going to sleep.
 
I just don't feel like you've exhausted all your other options yet though kc. Why don't you give some counselling another try? You can't let your mother control your life to the point where she dictates when it will end as well. You are stronger than this hun <3
 
This has gone too far.

I can't find my posts and have left the door unlocked with my Passport and keys.

Not joking :(

Not to mention all the trash that is in me now.
 
Even when I am happy in life, and not feeling down all day I still think about killing myself in the morning when I wake up.

I can't explain it, and I am CERTAINLY not going to do it. BUT, I still have those thoughts the first thing as I wake up.

I wish I knew why, and that it would stop. Even when I wake up next to an awesome girl I like and had a great night and everything is PERFECT I can't control it. Usually it lasts for about 15 minutes, and then I wake up and everything is FINE again. Bizarre mind has done too many drugs and is QUITE bizarre.
 
^Yeah, mornings (mourning? hey....) can be difficult. I find that when my system is offset. Perhaps try some supplements and vitamins. I have been feeling different (well) since I have been keeping my omega-3's up.
 
I'm doing some in depth research on the best methods to go through with it. Something that will make me feel like I'm just going to sleep.


Morning jogs on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I pass through the cemetary. Everybody else in town's asleep, and there ain't a lot of traffic...but there's even less traffic at the cemetary (almost none, in fact), and I hate cars and shit passing by me when I'm running, see what I'm saying? But still, it kinda freaks me out, so I might quit. I don't think they're asleep, I think they're suffering. So I wanna stay alive as long as I can. You might THINK you're falling asleep. But as soon as you're dead you'll know it.
 
I am pretty sure that is the case in most countries. Either the parents or next of kin will inherit the debt of someone who passes.

Debt should never be a cause for contemplating suicide. There are always options for paying off debts and even though sometimes it's not conducive to living comfortably, one day you will eventually be free of debt and you will be able to relax. But if you're not here any more you can't be around to enjoy that when it happens.
 
Actually the debt is keeping me from killing myself at this point. I would hate to have my parents pay for my stupid ass, and see me dead.

My mom has informed me that she is done with me. No more therapy, no more of me trying to come to live at home. (pathetic eh) I only want to come home so I can straighten out and maybe become a productive emmber of socioty, but I am too much of an emotional strain on her and it kills me. It actually hurts to think about. 24 hours. I am sorry.
 
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Actually the debt is keeping me from killing myself at this point. I would hate to have my parents pay for my stupid ass, and see me dead.

My mom has informed me that she is done with me. No more therapy, no more of me trying to come to live at home. (pathetic eh) I only want to come home so I can straighten out and maybe become a productive emmber of socioty, but I am too much of an emotional strain on her and it kills me. It actually hurts to think about. 24 hours. I am sorry.

I know the feeling :(

Why does life have to be so depressing?

Sorry about your situation. Best wishes. :(
 
Actually the debt is keeping me from killing myself at this point. I would hate to have my parents pay for my stupid ass, and see me dead.

My mom has informed me that she is done with me. No more therapy, no more of me trying to come to live at home. (pathetic eh) I only want to come home so I can straighten out and maybe become a productive emmber of socioty, but I am too much of an emotional strain on her and it kills me. It actually hurts to think about. 24 hours. I am sorry.

Man sorry to hear this. I don't know your history but I suspect for your mum to say stuff like that she must be at her wits end with the situation. She loves you and wants you to get your life back together. Once you've taken a few steps in the right direction, to prove to her that you are getting things back together, I'm pretty sure she'll let you come home <3
 
She really is at her wits end. We were doing so good 10 months ago, (therapy, general social interation) but when her mom had a stroke, stress levels shot up through the roof. Fucking funerals, started new job, ex flew in... Just too much life to handle at once for a single lady I guess. The part that kills me is she is as stubborn as I am (lol) in that she believes she can handle this all on her own. No outside help needed.

Thanks for the kind words SE and n3 :) Typing it out kind of made me feel better.
 
ive been having a really bad few months started when i was with this lass about 4 months ago. then i got a new job and failed at that. it was a chef job and was quite stressful, my first proper one as well where i was in on my own. was cooking and cleaning the kitchen all on my own even when it was busy. this girl iw as going out with at the time was a bit odd she probably had some issues of her own which she never spoke to me about and just always flipped and made me feel as if i was the one who made her feel that way. at this job where i was working my ass off i got fired from it suddenly after 2 months. i wasn't on the books so they could do that. i still had a job at my old place but its just 10 hours a week. i live on my own and am on benefits but have to split a 2 week benefit for rent, food, social life ect. im ok at this point i feel al right just a bit of shit thats all. 2 weeks later my girlfriend finishes me suddenly with no reason why. i still dont know. she jsut said that she doesn't want to see me any more. this is a bit of a kick in the balls.

over the past 2 months my brother and my mum have been getting at me because "the life im living is shit". this is my brother saying this and he's my best friend. suddenly hes become this player and become so indulged within women. his greed for money has rapidly grown over the past few months and my mum doesn't help as she is the same. i think what they have been trying to do is convert me into this kind of person. i believe it for about a month and when i realize what's going on i break down like tonight.

they break me down because i love my father who left my mum 10 years ago and still cant get over it. my feelings of love towards my father aren't safe and its like i have to hide them inside myself so they cant see them (even though you cant see them anyway within the body). i am going back to college to a music course and to make drum and bass and dubstep. i tell this to my brother and he thinks its a shit idea cos i wont make enuf money. as bluelighters i think we all know that we don't need money to become happy isnt that right? music is my passion. if i could produce my own music and make a career selling my own creations for a little bit of money which can be enuf to make me happy financially then that will be enuf. they obviously aren't happy with this so they like to dig in my head to tell me it's a bad idea cos apparently "im not listening" to them. im not listening cos its my life, my path.

anyways my point is that tonight i have just mentally broken. i sent my dad a big message to how much i miss him (i had a cry which i fealt so much better about. i never cry ever) and i started feeling some sudden suicidal thoughts. the type of thoughts and feelings that felt as if suicide was actually plausible at this moment in time. my first thought was to come here as i read it some time ago. this is the closest ive been to contemplating suicide. it's a feeling i never want again as your brain seems to just want to just die. very scary but thank god to this place. i feel alot better now i think now i can sleep. i'm obviously not as bad as other people but those feelings were just very real.

drscience- i can kind of relate to you about your mother in some ways. take it easy man. good luck.

sorry about the big post. i really really needed it. thank you n3ophy7e.

shorten this down if you want to.
 
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Hey black sun, I'm glad you're feeling better after typing it all out. We don't need to shorten it down at all because man, that's what this thread is here for! :) <3
It's good to let it out when you have feelings and thoughts like this, and it's good to cry. Remember that :)
I hope things start to look up for you soon. Your mum and brother sound like they love you very much and they just want the best for you, but it's still important that you stay true to yourself and follow your own path. What about your dad, did he message you back?
 
my dad lives in germany you see. so our relationship is very limited and only through email. he will message me back tomorrow and i think that will be the final process cos he can always set my mind straight and tell me where to start mending. but yer theres been a lot moer shit thats gone on today with family that has set it off mostly. but yer ill be fine dude. just gonna sleep it off and see how i feel when i wake up. :D
i just feel a bit bad about telling him cos obviouslymy mum is the last thing hede want to read about, he is just the only person i can trruly talk to with an honest opinion on what to do seen that he lived with her for 14 years :P.
 
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