Suicide Attempt

You say that you've seen a psychologist but it didn't help. Have you just seen the one, or have you tried a few? Sometimes the first one that you see isn't a good fit for whatever reason, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't worthwhile to try again with someone different. Different people react differently to different therapeutic methods too: what worked for me (EMDR with a side of CBT and a light dressing of client-based talk therapy) may not work well for others. Most psychologists will have a few tools in their belt to help out, but may not have the tools (or at least not all of them) that you need, you know?

I'm not a believer in 'higher powers', but rather would put my chips in with the power of a person whose determination and support have ripened enough that it is time for them to move on. You were lucky a few times, and perhaps you have an unusual tolerance to those particular drugs, but you need to remember too that the body will do whatever it can to survive.

What others have said is true though, and I do speak this from experience as well: there is relief from such crushing depression. For some, like yourself, it will take more effort, both on the behalf of yourself and those supporting you, but it can be done. My recommendation, is to try seeing a psychologist again, but one who uses different therapeutic methodologies as the one(s) that you've seen before. There are many, many different treatments available for depression, and you may just need to find the one that works for you. Many have found success with CBT; it is a lot of work, but is a methodology that is proven to be at least on par with medication for alleviating symptoms, and actually attacks the root of the problem as well (while medication generally doesn't, in all but a few rare cases where the problem is strictly biological).

Oh, and while it may go without saying, I'll say it: getting clean off of as many as possible, if not all, recreational substances will make this process a lot more fruitful long-term. Mood elevators will feel like they're helping while you're high, but when you come down you're worse off than when you started. It is more painful in the short term, but in the long term you'll do far better with respect to mental health if you're sober.

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Be really careful when mixing opiates and benzos, you definitely should feel very lucky to be alive! I am curious- did you really take 500mg of phenazapam? That would have to knock you out for a week or more? Phenaz is strong at just 1mg.
 
hey man, try and look at this as a sign that your presence on earth will be sorely missed!
depression fucking sucks. I know. But try to keep yourself occupied, things will always change. The only thing in life that is certain is change. So don't loose hope. Ill be thinking about u.
 
It is virtually impossible to OD on benzos. You would need something like 80 000mg of diazepam to just reach LD50. And bupe, having a ceiling, would be very hard to OD on too. I don't say this to ridicule your attempt but to dissuade you from trying again. That combo will just not do it.
 
I second what Dave said. I've seen some psychologists that I didn't click with at all and were quite unhelpful, and one or two that were excellent for me. Shop around ;)
 
Why did you not die?

bupe has ceiling effect around 32mg due to its mixed agonist/antagonist action and frequently will fail to produce sufficient respiratory depression to cause death.

Benzo's also do not depress breathing a whole lot. IIRC, a study I read was that using a rat model, a human equalized LD50 by intrapertional (into your chest cavity) injection of about 750mg for alprazolam.

Whatever there reason, the pharmlogicals and pathology are not of the major importance here, the fact you are alive is.

Please stay that way!
 
Jake never forget that when you hurt yourself your not just hurting yourself. My best friend killed himself in front of me and i was very pissed for a long time that he would do something so selfish and not think about all the people that he hurt. So man please just keep your head up and take it one day at a time.
 
"benzos and bupe are fairly safe, even in very high doses. people have and do die from this combo but its rare "

It's much more common as bupe makes it to the street in increasing quantitates. I beg strongly to differ that ODs are rare. A friend of mine and I were partying with friends about six months ago. We were drinking, moderate to heavy all evening with an hours break to travel home. He used a small amount of cocaine, less than 1-2 grams of fairly cut powder, and that was over seven hours time. At about the five hour mark he took a couple 0.25-mg Xanax tabs, he has a low benzo tolerance. He was f'd up, not falling down drunk but off balance due to the xanax and alcohol, we were playing a decent couple games of pool when he decided that to avoid the terrible hangover he feared the next day that he would try a small line of Subutex (just bupe). So he cut out a line roughly eq to 1.5-mg/bupe (I know b/c I cut it for him.. I know, I know, I know...)

Within thirty minutes I knew he was in trouble. He "passed out", could be "fell out" but he landed perfectly on the couch and had intended to do so, but still, it was essentially a fall out. Right off his breathing was labored and throaty. I laid with my hand on his chest for a few hours until I drifted off myself. He didn't get worse/better so I assumed he was a snorer and that since things hadn't worsened (pulse strong, breathing regular - if labored a bit - good color, etc..) he'd be fine. I wish I hadn't fell asleep. Two hours later his wife comes downstairs where we were sleeping on the couches and screamed at me that her husband was breathing funny. As soon as I came out of my stupor and heard him breathing I knew immediately what was going on. His lungs were filling with fluid and his breathing was much more labored and slowed to about 3 -4 a minute. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital. BTW, Narcan doesn't work well for reversing bupe overdoses. The EMTs hit him three times at my urging when they arrived, it did nothing - nothing!

This is not a textbook opioid overdose. But it was a near death OD. He lived. He was taken to hospital where they intubated him and waited for the substances to metabolize, with the help of some antedotes.

I can't say for certain that the bupe caused the OD, but I very strongly feel that if he hadn't snorted that small amount of bupe he would have been fine. He has a high alcohol tolerance, and has used coke many, many times. I don't believe this was an acute alcohol OD b/c he wasn't that trashed, he drove us home and did an ok job, although I wouldn't get in a car again with him after drinking, stupid move.

Point is: buprenorphine/Subs/Subutex/Suboxone, etc.. and benzos (w/ or w/o alcohol) CAN cause serious respiratory problems, not so much in this case respiratory depression, more like a fluid in the lungs thing. This may have been in part b/c of the way he was laying on the couch, head propped up. He did not vomit.

I am absolutely certain that minus the bupe he would have been fine. The bupe added in almost killed him. I was there the entire evening, he was never out of my sight, except to go do his blow as I don't use that crap here (US) anymore (Central Ameicra is different...)

Don't be fooled by bupe's mixed-agonism, it is an opioid agonist to a large extent and many people have OD'd on bupe and benzos, probably more on all three, but either with bupe is potentially and not farfetched to be fatal - esp. for the opioid naive

In memory of a friend who died three weeks prior to this event I post this here. That friend died alone from a combination of alcohol, benzos, cocaine, and fentanyl. In this case we believe, don't know, that he was using coke and took too much fentanyl but it didn't cause a problem until the coke wore off, knowing him he re-dosed while doing lines b/c he wasn't feeling the fent.. This is something else I have witnessed several times, fortunately not fatally, except this one.

Bupe is not to be taken with anything else! Even prescribed combos (bupe/xanax) can go wrong, esp. if alcohol is added.


I don't think in the above case that the amount of bupe 32-mg made a difference, yes it's a ceiling effect but it doesn't diminish with amount, it just levels off. It's more complicated than that but essentially that's the ceiling effect, more than 32-mg doesn't add to the effects.
 
It is virtually impossible to OD on benzos. You would need something like 80 000mg of diazepam to just reach LD50. And bupe, having a ceiling, would be very hard to OD on too. I don't say this to ridicule your attempt but to dissuade you from trying again. That combo will just not do it.

Dicksizing about your drug-knowledge in a thread such as this one. What the fuck?

Why don't you REALLY impress the OP and post 10 different drug-combos which will DEFINITELY finish him/her off?

Oh, and if you mix large quantities of benzos with almost ANY other downer not only is it NOT "virtually impossible to die" but rather it is highly fucking likely and thousands of poly-drug users/ suicidal folk die from benzos plus another downer every year (including my former best friend). Look up the stats bro before making erroneous and unhelpful remarks.

Last time I checked, Bluelight was a harm-reduction forum and folk need to be ESPECIALLY mindful of what they write in the Dark Side forum.
 
I've been in deep, dark depressions myself. its not worth it man, there is light at the end of the tunnel. I found this out myself after much emotional struggling.

This. There is ALWAYS light at the end of the tunnel OP. Think of it this way, if you think your life is so horrible and couldn't get any worse..flip the situation. This means it can only get better right? Good things are coming! Just be here to find out what they are.

I've had a few times where I was like how the hell did I not die?! The answer is simple. Not my time. And I believe thats the case with you as well. Someone else has other plans for you buddy.
 
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