Suggested ROA for Opana ER 40 mg?

[adubwakka]

Bluelight newb here....

So after reading a few threads on here I have become extremely paranoid about using Opana the way I have in the past(which is intranasally).

Two questions: 1) do you guys buy into the fact that it is indeed harmful (and potentially deadly) to use Opana nasally? I hope that isn't the case because I love doing it that way, and also since i've started Opana(about a month and a half ago) i've probably taken 30-40 Opana er 40s to the dome. Should I go get myself checked out or is this whole thing a paranoid hoax?


2) If it is indeed true that snorting Opana er is no-no.. what is the best way to go about using it? Should I avoid my lovely Opana altogether and switch back to roxi's (ugh) or is plugging comparable to snorting(I hear oral usage is extremely weak with Opana). If plugging is indeed comparable, how much should I go about using for my first time(and how should i go about doing it), if I can snort about half of an Opana ER 40 over the course of a day and stay comfortably intoxicated.

Any other thoughts about Opana in general are welcome. I ask this question because while i'm not an opiate addict, I do like using them maybe a few times a week in spurts. I have access to Opana, Methadone, and roxi's and personally Opana just blows the other two out of the water, so i'd rather not have to find a new DOC.

 

[BaybeX]

Where'd you hear that snorting Opana can kill you? D.A.R.E?

 

[jamesBrown]

There is plenty of information on this exact topic in other threads. I recommend doing a search to find your answers. Shouldnt take long.

FYI.....it isnt a "paranoid hoax" that snorting opana er is dangerous......snorting opana er has some very ugly consequences that should be avoided unless you like fuckin your nose/lungs/etc...up.

 

[Kenaz]

Bluelight newb here....

So after reading a few threads on here I have become extremely paranoid about using Opana the way I have in the past(which is intranasally).

Two questions: 1) do you guys buy into the fact that it is indeed harmful (and potentially deadly) to use Opana nasally? I hope that isn't the case because I love doing it that way, and also since i've started Opana(about a month and a half ago) i've probably taken 30-40 Opana er 40s to the dome. Should I go get myself checked out or is this whole thing a paranoid hoax?


2) If it is indeed true that snorting Opana er is no-no.. what is the best way to go about using it? Should I avoid my lovely Opana altogether and switch back to roxi's (ugh) or is plugging comparable to snorting(I hear oral usage is extremely weak with Opana). If plugging is indeed comparable, how much should I go about using for my first time(and how should i go about doing it), if I can snort about half of an Opana ER 40 over the course of a day and stay comfortably intoxicated.

Any other thoughts about Opana in general are welcome. I ask this question because while i'm not an opiate addict, I do like using them maybe a few times a week in spurts. I have access to Opana, Methadone, and roxi's and personally Opana just blows the other two out of the water, so i'd rather not have to find a new DOC.

So far as I can tell, there is one poster on here who is convinced that anyone who snorts more than 20-30 Opanas over the course of a year will certainly die from silicosis. Other people have noted that there may be some low risk from silicosis if you regularly snort large quantities of Opana ER for an extended period of time. My gut feeling is that if you're snorting enough Opana ER to be worried about silicosis, then silicosis is the least of your worries. (That being said, I would be concerned about damage to the sinuses from regular insufflation: sinus infections might not be as fatal as silicosis but they can certainly be unpleasant).

I'm not sure you can effectively plug the gelatinous mess which results from placing crushed Opana ER in water. Is there anyone here who can speak to whether or not this is possible?

 

[jamesBrown]

Where'd you hear that snorting Opana can kill you? D.A.R.E?

The only way snorting opana er could kill you is if you snort it over and over again for a very long period of time. This would allow the inactive substance that they put in it to do enough damage that could possibly lead to death....but this is unlikely and like I said, would take a long time.

Im sry I cant remember the exact name of the iinactive that makes snorting opana er so dangerous but I guarantee you that a quick search on BL will yield the answer.

I think its somewhat equivilant to snorting miniscule shards of glass or something. Im not exactly sure, I read many threads and posts about it but since I never use opana I never really paid too close attention. Sry...

but like I said....if you do a search, you will find the answers your looking for.

 

[Kenaz]

The only way snorting opana er could kill you is if you snort it over and over again for a very long period of time. This would allow the inactive substance that they put in it to do enough damage that could possibly lead to death....but this is unlikely and like I said, would take a long time.

Im sry I cant remember the exact name of the iinactive that makes snorting opana er so dangerous but I guarantee you that a quick search on BL will yield the answer.

I think its somewhat equivilant to snorting miniscule shards of glass or something. Im not exactly sure, I read many threads and posts about it but since I never use opana I never really paid too close attention. Sry...

but like I said....if you do a search, you will find the answers your looking for.

Silicated microcrystalline cellulose. It's definitely not good for you, but there are some questions as to how much is contained in each pill and how much of it winds up in your lungs.

The studies which were referenced in the ADD thread concerned two women who developed silicosis after snorting household cleanser - yes, you heard that right, cleanser - for years on end. I'm guessing that I'd have to send a whole lot of Opana ER up my nose to get as much silica as could be found in a single line of cleanser.

 

[jamesBrown]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=375577&page=26

post #631

took me 1 minute.

There is also alot of other info to read but that was a well written post with good info on it, answering your question/denial on the dangerousness of snorting opana er.

 

[adubwakka]

The only way snorting opana er could kill you is if you snort it over and over again for a very long period of time. This would allow the inactive substance that they put in it to do enough damage that could possibly lead to death....but this is unlikely and like I said, would take a long time.

Im sry I cant remember the exact name of the iinactive that makes snorting opana er so dangerous but I guarantee you that a quick search on BL will yield the answer.

I think its somewhat equivilant to snorting miniscule shards of glass or something. Im not exactly sure, I read many threads and posts about it but since I never use opana I never really paid too close attention. Sry...

but like I said....if you do a search, you will find the answers your looking for.

Yes, I've read those posts but the majority of the noise about the silica being in Opana is coming from one poster, with one or two others chiming in. Me being a newbie here, I don't know how much trust to put in the few posters claiming it(not that you should trust anyone about such a thing, especially on the internet). I just kind of wanted to see what others opinions on the subject were and if they had stopped using it because of said posters claims. I'm not worried about OD'ing or anything of the sort as I'm a careful,sparce user. Im just wondering if this silica in Opana is really a thing to be worried about, and if it is indeed the same silica that can cause silicosis.

Anyways, I just wanted to see some discussion that didn't involve the same 2-3 people claiming that Opana will WITHOUT A DOUBT 100% cause silicosis. Because if i were to put my trust in those posters, the ~30 Opana that i've ingested nasally in my lifetime has already shredded my lungs to bits and im just a lost cause waiting to roll over and choke to death.

 

[jamesBrown]

Silicated microcrystalline cellulose. It's definitely not good for you, but there are some questions as to how much is contained in each pill and how much of it winds up in your lungs.

The studies which were referenced in the ADD thread concerned two women who developed silicosis after snorting household cleanser - yes, you heard that right, cleanser - for years on end. I'm guessing that I'd have to send a whole lot of Opana ER up my nose to get as much silica as could be found in a single line of cleanser.

I dont know for a fact, but it may be true that there is still "some questions" as to how much Silicated microcrystalline cellulose is contained in each pill......

but does that really matter?.......I mean, isnt it MUCH safer to simply STOP snorting this apparently dangerous substance into your body....even though there isnt exact evidence on the exact amount of the drug in each pill?

One thing is for sure, snorting Silicated microcrystalline cellulose is very bad for you, and why argue over the exact amounts of this sunstance in each pill while you could simply choose a better ROA or DOC?

What if in the end.....they clear up this issue on...."there are some questions as to how much is contained in each pill and how much of it winds up in your lungs"....and the end result turns out to be that ALOT of it ends up in your lungs and you can easuly die if used often? Is it really a risk you want to take just because some people arent convinced as to how much of the dangerous substance is absorbed into your body, causing harm? I for one would not take that risk.

My life is worth more than that.....im not going to risk it by snorting something that may or may not kill me, but I dont know because the research hasnt been done yet, so im gonna keep snorting it anyway.

 

[BIGsherm7272]

As long as you aren't snorting like 10 pills a day for years and years, you will be fine......it works so much better intranasally.

 

[jamesBrown]

As long as you aren't snorting like 10 pills a day for years and years, you will be fine......it works so much better intranasally.

I hope thats true....

 

[adubwakka]

Well its an interesting topic to say the least.


I would like to point out that people may also want to take a look into using OC intranasally as it contains titanium oxide, which is classified as a cancer risk also when inhaled.

So much bad shit out there...

 

[Kenaz]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=375577&page=26

post #631

took me 1 minute.

There is also alot of other info to read but that was a well written post with good info on it, answering your question/denial on the dangerousness of snorting opana er.

Post #631 is from one of the people who are most adamant about the dangers of silicates in Opana ER. Let's take a look at some of that "good info."

Has everyone just kind of spaced out and missed the FACT THAT THE SILICA IN THESE PILLS WILL DESTROY YOUR LUNGS??

I guess it is the nature of addicts versus patients.

Addicts will keep doing something even if they know that snorting around 200-300 OPANA ER in 1-2 years time period is virtually guaranteed to result in Silicosis about 10 years out.

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So many people that could have just been recreational users or recovered addicts are going to end up with their lives ruined by reduced lung capacity or death from Silicosis. In some ways it would be better if the disease stuck quickly as word would spread and people would stop or take the time to prepare the pills properly.

The fact that Silicosis appears at a minimum of 5-7 years after your first use means there are a lot of people walking around who are ticking time bombs, not knowing that their lungs will fail in the future.

Keep in mind that people who get silicosis were typically working in hazardous conditions for decades. Growing up, I had relatives who had black lung from working in the Lackawanna Valley coal mines. It takes a pretty substantial dosage of this stuff, given over an extended period of time, to do the kind of damage the OP is claiming could be done by "200-300 OPANA ER in 1-2 years time period."

Frankly, this looks like the kind of happy histrionic horseshit which is the antithesis of harm reduction. When I was going to high school (late 70s/early 80s) we had teachers who told us horror stories about marijuana. We realized they were full of shit. And lots of figured they were also full of shit when they were talking about cocaine and meth. Wanna guess how well that worked out?

There's plenty of evidence to show that shooting pills is bad: there are lots of case studies from people who did serious and even fatal damage to themselves. When they wind up in your circulatory system there is no filtering mechanism and they wreak all sorts of vascular and pulmonary havoc. Your respiratory system has a number of filtering mechanisms designed to get rid of inhaled particles. I wouldn't recommend overloading it, but neither would I underestimate its effectiveness.

 

[BaybeX]

You are not 'inhaling' pills if you do it correctly.
No need to snort like someone is taking that shit from you.. a nice easy sniff to get it to the back of your nasal passages is all you need.

I suppose it might be a problem with those who smoke OCs though.. the titanium oxide I mean.

 

[Kenaz]

You are not 'inhaling' pills if you do it correctly.
No need to snort like someone is taking that shit from you.. a nice easy sniff to get it to the back of your nasal passages is all you need.

I suppose it might be a problem with those who smoke OCs though.. the titanium oxide I mean.

Honestly, I'd be more interested in seeing studies of sinus damage caused by insufflation. Snorting silicates (or talc or some of the other binders and fillers found in pills) can't be easy on the mucous membranes.

 

[jamesBrown]

Post #631 is from one of the people who are most adamant about the dangers of silicates in Opana ER. Let's take a look at some of that "good info."

Has everyone just kind of spaced out and missed the FACT THAT THE SILICA IN THESE PILLS WILL DESTROY YOUR LUNGS??

I guess it is the nature of addicts versus patients.

Addicts will keep doing something even if they know that snorting around 200-300 OPANA ER in 1-2 years time period is virtually guaranteed to result in Silicosis about 10 years out.

****

So many people that could have just been recreational users or recovered addicts are going to end up with their lives ruined by reduced lung capacity or death from Silicosis. In some ways it would be better if the disease stuck quickly as word would spread and people would stop or take the time to prepare the pills properly.

The fact that Silicosis appears at a minimum of 5-7 years after your first use means there are a lot of people walking around who are ticking time bombs, not knowing that their lungs will fail in the future.

Keep in mind that people who get silicosis were typically working in hazardous conditions for decades. Growing up, I had relatives who had black lung from working in the Lackawanna Valley coal mines. It takes a pretty substantial dosage of this stuff, given over an extended period of time, to do the kind of damage the OP is claiming could be done by "200-300 OPANA ER in 1-2 years time period."

Frankly, this looks like the kind of happy histrionic horseshit which is the antithesis of harm reduction. When I was going to high school (late 70s/early 80s) we had teachers who told us horror stories about marijuana. We realized they were full of shit. And lots of figured they were also full of shit when they were talking about cocaine and meth. Wanna guess how well that worked out?

There's plenty of evidence to show that shooting pills is bad: there are lots of case studies from people who did serious and even fatal damage to themselves. When they wind up in your circulatory system there is no filtering mechanism and they wreak all sorts of vascular and pulmonary havoc. Your respiratory system has a number of filtering mechanisms designed to get rid of inhaled particles. I wouldn't recommend overloading it, but neither would I underestimate its effectiveness.

None of what you posted shows any evidence that snorting these opana er pills inst dangerous to your health. And maybe your not arguing that its not dangerous to your health(its kinda hard to tell exactly what point your making), but maybe your trying to say that it MAY NOT be harmful to your health.....just like you said....smoking marijuana used to be thought to cause you to go crazy and put your baby in the oven or some shit....but obviously time has shown that this was not the case.

But there is a difference in the case of the propaganda created as a consequence of the "war on drugs" than the case being made here that these pills contain a substance known to cause serious health issues including cancer. IT IS A PROVEN FACT that silicated microcrystalline cellulose is extremely dangerous to inhale. Theres no denying it.....and since each opana er pill contains 2% silicate per total weight of silicated microcrystalline cellulose.....that comes out to enough to cause damage if snorted over any significant period of time.

Im not saying its guaranteed that anyone who snorts alot of these pills will die or something, im just saying that the risk is there, we should recognize it, and try our best to "reduce harm" by making this information available to the public. Thats what this website is about....harm reduction. Not....theres a possibility that you might not get sick from snorting these pills so go ahead and snort away!!!

 

[Kenaz]

None of what you posted shows any evidence that snorting these opana er pills inst dangerous to your health. And maybe your not arguing that its not dangerous to your health(its kinda hard to tell exactly what point your making), but maybe your trying to say that it MAY NOT be harmful to your health.....just like you said....smoking marijuana used to be thought to cause you to go crazy and put your baby in the oven or some shit....but obviously time has shown that this was not the case.

But there is a difference in the case of the propaganda created as a consequence of the "war on drugs" than the case being made here that these pills contain a substance known to cause serious health issues including cancer. IT IS A PROVEN FACT that silicated microcrystalline cellulose is extremely dangerous to inhale. Theres no denying it.....and since each opana er pill contains 2% silicate per total weight of silicated microcrystalline cellulose.....that comes out to enough to cause damage if snorted over any significant period of time.

Im not saying its guaranteed that anyone who snorts alot of these pills will die or something, im just saying that the risk is there, we should recognize it, and try our best to "reduce harm" by making this information available to the public. Thats what this website is about....harm reduction. Not....theres a possibility that you might not get sick from snorting these pills so go ahead and snort away!!!

I'm not arguing that it is good for you. I think there could be some danger involved in snorting silicates. But I also think the OP's hysterical tone and obvious exaggerations did nothing to get the message across.

I think that snorting Opana ER is probably less than ideal for your sinuses. I'd advise anyone with a history of asthma or other respiratory conditions to think long and hard about snorting anything. But there's a big difference between saying that and screaming in ALL CAPS about how anyone who snorts Opana more than a few times is doomed, doomed, DOOMED.

 

[ThePharmacist25]

Oxymorphone IR / Opana IR

Bluelight newb here....

So after reading a few threads on here I have become extremely paranoid about using Opana the way I have in the past(which is intranasally).

Two questions: 1) do you guys buy into the fact that it is indeed harmful (and potentially deadly) to use Opana nasally? I hope that isn't the case because I love doing it that way, and also since i've started Opana(about a month and a half ago) i've probably taken 30-40 Opana er 40s to the dome. Should I go get myself checked out or is this whole thing a paranoid hoax?


2) If it is indeed true that snorting Opana er is no-no.. what is the best way to go about using it? Should I avoid my lovely Opana altogether and switch back to roxi's (ugh) or is plugging comparable to snorting(I hear oral usage is extremely weak with Opana). If plugging is indeed comparable, how much should I go about using for my first time(and how should i go about doing it), if I can snort about half of an Opana ER 40 over the course of a day and stay comfortably intoxicated.

Any other thoughts about Opana in general are welcome. I ask this question because while i'm not an opiate addict, I do like using them maybe a few times a week in spurts. I have access to Opana, Methadone, and roxi's and personally Opana just blows the other two out of the water, so i'd rather not have to find a new DOC.

I must say it becomes such that paranoia can be beneficial when it's correlated with 'addiction.' Whereas it provides, perhaps IMHO, mild OCD when it comes dosing and overall using.. I would trust most BIOAVAILABILITY charts or the GlobalRPH website has a pretty nifty Narcotic Converter. However, I typically give myself a 20% margin for error. I usually do MAX or DESIRED Oxycodone HCl dose divided by an Oxycodone HCl equivanalgesic multiplied by (in this example) Oxymorphone Salt equivanalgesic; resulting in the equivalent dose required to reach the desired OxyC:OxyM ratio; oh, actually a percentile such as 5-20% should be added at the end (at the users discretion) to be safe.
**If one's tolerance was ~180mg Oxycodone HCl and would like to dose equally with Oxymorphone HCl this formula would apply:
[(180mg(a) Oxycodone HCl / 20mg(b) Oxycodone HCl)] x 1mg(c) Oxymorphone HCl = 6mg(d) Oxymorphone HCl
a. Desired dose of drug sought out.
b. Equivanalgesic Drug (A) used in Comparison.
c. Equivanalgesic Drug (B) used in Actual Dosing.
d. Resulting and necessary dose, in mg, required to reach (A).

I hope this helps..