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Subutex/Suboxone Withdrawal Day 5

What up C80! Thanks for chiming in, hell yeah that's helpful. I went through the same process and it also worked for me. Benzos were the key.

Speaking of benzos....

John, you have been through a lot...no doubt. Have you ever thought about some type of anti-anxiety/depressant? Ahh, I hate to tell someone to get on benzos, there has to be a better option. But it sounds like you're dealing with a lot of anxiety when tapering sub, very understandable with your situation.

I could be projecting on to you what worked for me, again, I'm not a doctor. Sorry, I might have came across as knocking your sub use. Who am I to judge?

That's cool you have a girl that has been with you that long. Longest relationship I've been in was 5 years, sex can take some effort after a while.

I remember one time I was so strung out on dope that I turned down sex from a pretty hot chick (for my standards) saying that I don't even jerk-off, she laughed so hard and told everyone who would listen...I don't blame her, it was lame, but H was my hot chick at that point.

But you know what happened when I kicked opiates? Bam! I'm back in the game baby, holla holla. I wish I could find that hot chick now.

BUT, being on anti-depressants can emotionally satisfy your woman, but sex can get frustrating. I was getting laid crazy on anti-depressants but I couldn't bust, it's insane, only chick I knew that wanted to fuck that long was on meth.

I'm just saying, this might be a motivation to quit subs or maybe find an alternative solution.

Btw, I just remember heroin as making me sleepy, I know it transported me but I don't crave it anymore. I do still occasionally crave shooting coc and xtc which has been a couple years. I guess each their own...

Yeah, thanks to C80, maybe we can keep the thread here? I have no idea either about moving/starting threads. I just thought we had to have more input than two people talking ish.

Anyone reading, chime in! Thanks in advance.
 
You guys are funny as hell. I am really wishing I could get my hands on some xanax, even like 10 of them. Do you guys know if I could possibly get them online? I definitely cannot get them on the street as I don't know anyone here. And I'm afraid of getting ripped of online. But I heard that some people actually do buy stuff online, so. . . I really think it'd help me out a great deal with withdrawal.
 
C80 said:
Gotcha! I've used "lope" when I've been in severe withdrawals. It never really helped me though... To chime in to your original question, I've been on Subs for about 12 years. I got clean & stayed sober for 3 years at one point. With the help of my Dr. I brought myself down to like 0.5 a day, give or take & it was virtually pain free. It also depends on what kind of Sub you're taking. I would NOT recommend Subutex / Buprenorphine! Oh & I also took Xanax at night to help me sleep & calm my nerves & muscle spasms. That helped A LOT! Hopefully this helps :-)
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Yes C80, I have been down to a quarter of a quarter mg and it was like not being on anything! How I want to get there again. I am actually on subutex, the only difference is the naloxone. Subutex does not have any hence you can still do drugs with no problem of opiate blockers. I've never took advantage of that though. And I WISH I couldgete xanax. It's not possible for me. I don't know anybody. If you have any advise, I'd love to hear it. Thanks for your reply.
 
I'd LOVE to get xanax Joe, if you have any advise, I'd be more than willing. I saw some online sites, but they are all scams. They take bitcoin and never send you anything. As far as my woman, I do not have sex, I just can't. She thinks I'm not attracted to her, no matter how much I tell her I am. And I really am, but I just think sex is gross! That is nuts, right? I never ever thought those words would ever come out of my mouth. ME! That is insane. I LOVE getting laid. But now that I had my 7 days clean, I'm getting it back, I want to have sex with my wife again. She is so very angry with me and rightfully so. It's like, now I'm ready, so we can move forward. How rude is that? What a scumbag I am. But that is not how it is at all. I was scared to come off of sub for many years. It had nothing to do with her. But now I see that it should have had everything to do with her. She stayed with me not having sex for 7 years. What kind of woman do you know that would do that for you? I am so lucky. But now that we're at the end, she is getting very annoyed really easily. B/c I keep saying I'm coming off, and I have every intention to, but it keeps getting her hopes up and then torn away again. I need to come off. I cannot lose her. I have devoted everything to her. I put all my eggs into this basket. Thanks for listening!
 
Oh no my friend, I'm surprised a mod didn't jump in (our thread must be buried) but we can't talk about where/how to score drugs. By default my advise has to be go have it prescribed by a legal doctor who has prescriptions approved by the FDA and they make sure all the legal and proper tax dollars are funneled correctly.

Ahh, I wouldn't do Xanax off the bat. Start at the bottom of anti-depressants/anti-anxiety ladder and work your way up if you really want to give them a shot. I'm trying to kick benzos now and it's a sob even getting started w/ WD, sub was easy by comparison, kicking benzos can really get in your head with depression/anxiety, you get fear from really stupid things.

Anti-depressants took a while to take effect, but they really helped me. I was doing great with my girl on them, she was really happy except for the sex taking forever.

I'm probably the last person to give out relationship advice but I think you know this. You know how it's with women, you can't just grab them by the arm and say I'm ready to bang...They can do that to us of course.

You have to get the emotions revved up. On a micro scale it might be waiting for the right moment where the tension is high, I mean you can force it sometimes because you're getting laid anyway, but they usually call you out for it later.

On a macro scale like your situation you might have some major repairs to do. I know at the end of my longest relationship we had love, but I didn't manage it, "she fucking hates me" would be accurate. Looking back, I should have spent more time with her on our shared interest or do more date nights etc. She was always "wanting to talk," but I guess I didn't care...

But, you care right? I think a scumbag doesn't give a shit about others...you're alright, just need to take steps.

That's more of a Dr. Phil perspective on that. I don't know if you're familiar with Dr. Phillip (Patrice O'Neal) at the other end of the spectrum that some say works for them.

Again, anyone wanting to comment, insight/advice is appreciated. You can criticize the shit out of my perspective and I will consider that you might be right.
 
Damn, sorry admin, my mistake, but this good guy rectified it immediately. I will not delete it b/c I think it will serve as a reminder to others when they read it as it did not cause any harm.

Joe, I am an addict and will jump at any opp to do any other drugs when I am convincing myself that it is a 'helpful drug'. I am certainly no beginner, I've had to detox off benzos before, luckily it was not too bad for me as I was not on them long. And yes, it was xanax. Those things are so addictive, all you need to do is look at them. So thankfully I cannot get them! Like I said in the beginning, probably better of for it.

Thanks for the relationship advise. Yes I do care, very much and I do know doctore Phil. We watch his show sometimes. I am totally out of the dog house right now. Things are looking up. That is until I give her false hope again. So I do not intend to do that. It's too fragile and cannot handle another disappointment.
 
So, I'm on day one again, I will update the thread on my progress. Can't go back this time. . . if I do, there's no telling how my life will change.
 
Good deal man! I saw you had another thread going well.

You remind me of a friend I have that is always building something, his latest invention is a side table/night stand with a spring loaded trap door lined with foam for stashing a Glock 19...because they're so popular. He has the S&W .500 but I don't know if they make nightstands that big lol.

He spends a lot of time on the bench and going down to the shop to use a CNC machine or whatever but one thing he does is make his wife furniture, he built her a garden, and other various gadgets and that makes her happy, maybe you can try that when you're in your workshop.
 
So I'm new to the forum but not new to drug use. I was on subs for 2.5 years following years of hydrocodone use. Would try to taper down numerous times to the smallest sliver but within days of doing so would be so miserable had to go back up. I was also drinking huge amounts of straight vodka (from dusk til dawn) and 6 years on benzos. Thought I would never get off all that shit. In and out of detox. Miserable, torturous withdrawals from all three. Detox never worked. Too fast of taper. Way too fast. Longest they would keep me was 9 days. They cut me cold turkey so by day 7-8, I was getting psychotic-withdrawals induced. Massive hallucinations and depersonalization. Checked out asap. Finally found an addictionologist who tapered me off all three within 4-5 weeks. I was drinking a handle of vodka from 5am til mid nite then eventually while trying to wean off subs, got so paranoid, could only sleep 2-3 hrs only during the day after taking a Valium/Ativan (and always intoxicated) cocktail. Doc put me on tranzene and anti-seizure med for the alcohol taper (still had bad DTs), LOMOTIL (part anti-diarrheal/mild narcotic--it's a scheduled drug) and clononodine for the sub withdrawal and oddly enough, vyvanse, I suppose to keep my dopamine levels at which I could tolerate. Not sure if the benzos or the subs were worse but seems short term the subs produced the most misery. Couldn't sleep for months. Sweats and chills and weakness and body aches and complete apathy. Felt that way for many months. At th same time was nervous and anxious as hell coming off the alcohol and benzos. ABSOLUTE MISERY for a long time. Will never touch another sub as long as I live. Unfortunately, the extreme anxiety (constant tremors n shakes) from the benzo wd lasted well over a year. One year and four months to be exact. No non controlled meds in any combo ever helped completely. So I ended up back on benzos after trying every drug in every class in all combinations. Still was left with horrible anxiety. Finally a different addictionolgist put me on klonopin, which lost its effectiveness after a few mths so I started drinking some alcohol again. Now back to square one minus any narcotics/subs. So now trying to taper off the benzos which is even harder this time around. Very disheartened n hopeless. Benzo wd is pure hell. And I'm extremely depressed ur can't take anything for the depression because it makes me more anxious. At the end of my rope this time around.
 
I hear you jwreed, I'm trying to kick benzos myself. I'm taking xanny and kpin. I tapered down to .25mg a day but couldn't maintain the anxiety/depression so I'm back around 1mg per day.

I've had social anxiety as long as I can remember so I'm almost resolved to the fact that I will be on them the rest of my life. I'm a terrible drunk, so benzos are a better option.
 
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