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Bupe Subutex Has Gone Generic

Just wanted to say that I go to one of those 'cool' sub dox in NJ. No pill counting, drug testing, etc.. Put me on three 8mg pills a day. I have to go every 2 weeks, and he accepts insurance.

So every 2 weeks I spend my $30 copay. All I had to do was tell my doc that a generic subutex was available and that my insurance ONLY covers generic drugs...that was enough for the switch. Now I get #42 8mg subutex (generic) for $15 for the script and $30 for the doc...not bad!!!
 
ya I have been on suboxoine for 6 months, and have to take 32 mg a day, I switched to subutex to save money and still pay $400 a month, for 120 8mg pills (cuz i take 4 a day)...fuck i cant afford this shit
 
ya I have been on suboxoine for 6 months, and have to take 32 mg a day, I switched to subutex to save money and still pay $400 a month, for 120 8mg pills (cuz i take 4 a day)...fuck i cant afford this shit

Wow. Lemme say that i had a H/oxy habit for almost 3 years, and ive been on sub for 2 1/2 years. My sub doc started me at 16mg/day, which was totally unnecessary!

It took me a while, but i figured out that no matter how much full opioid agonists i was doing, no matter for how long, NO MATTER HOW BAD MY HABIT WAS... 4 to 8 mgs per day of sub was all i needed to feel good. Bupe is ridiculously potent and acts strangley. The LESS sub i take, the MORE i feel it. Nowadays i try to take no more than 4mgs per day MAX.

I suggest you give it a try, unless there's a specific reason youre taking SO MUCH bupe? You will save SO MUCH money, and youll get SO MUCH MORE out of each dose.

Just remember that it takes time to get your tolerance back down after taking a monster dose for so long... and because bupe is so long acting, you wont notice any changes at all until the 3rd day after changing your dose.

If i was you id jump down to 16mgs/day right away. Spend 3 days at 16mg, then 3 days at 8mg, then 3 days at 4mg. You might find yourself wavering between 4mg and 8mg for a week or two, but i bet once you stabilize, youll feel stronger effects at the lower doses.

Keep in mind, this is only a suggestion... i just hate to see a fellow addict waste money for no benefit just because doctors tend to prescribe such high doses of this stuff. I appreciate that they do, though, because a month supply can last me 3-4 months... but i feel bad for those that dont experiment and end up taking WAY more than is necessary without ever realizing it.
 
^ +1
I agree with bup at low dose. If you're coming from a high dose habit, you'll want to do more during induction, but after that, lower doses are more effective. And it's cheaper too. Doctors seem to be unable to realize this. Buprenorphine is 40x more potent that morphine.
@c.h.
I take doses in the 500mcg range about 2-3x a day, depending on how much I have. I assume you make a solution of your whole pill to effectively measure your doses. Do you have a problem with bacteria with it sitting for so long? Do you keep in the fridge?
I don't know if I get a high ,but I always feel better, happier, and more energetic after my injection, even at tiny doses.
Plus, if you do blood chokes, or "head rushes" they're much more effective after a dose. (However, those are really bad for your brain as you are depriving it of oxygen filled blood, so I don't reccomend them if you don't already do them)

@sunset
You really would be ok if you lower your dose, trust me. 32mg really isn't necessary. I mean, I get by on 1mg/day, and I had a pretty good habit when I switched over. I started at about 4mg/day, and tapered down over time. Once you settle into a dose, it's just as effective. Taper down a little, and you'll be fine. Then, you can even finance your habit with the extras tht you aren't taking.

@Norway71
There is a thread for street prices, but I have never seen what you are looking for in there. If you are trying to find out a prescription cost, why not just call the pharmacy? Don't norway and france both have free health care? That seems weird that she can't get subutex in her country because she's over 25...
I remember seenig a documentary, where in Norway the gov't gave out magazines for junkies to sell. Couldn't you do that?
 
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Noone....NO ONE!! HAS TO BE on a dose that high. That's just insane for a maintanance dose. You are gonna have withdrawals x1000 if you stay at that. After induction and the first 1-2 weeks there is no reason you couldn't be down to at the most 8mg which is still quite high.

I don't know what your habit was i never needed any more than 8mg 300-450mg of oxy or 1-2 bundles of dope a day.
Only on like the first 1-2 days I might end up taking like 12mg, after day 3-4 when you are finally 'on' the bupe completely and feel good I feel minimal cravings at 4mg..and that only costs like around a dollar a day.

ya I have been on suboxoine for 6 months, and have to take 32 mg a day, I switched to subutex to save money and still pay $400 a month, for 120 8mg pills (cuz i take 4 a day)...fuck i cant afford this shit
 
Just got switched to subutex. My doctor knows I am experiencing myoclonic twitches and thought it might be the naloxone. He won't script pure bupe unless your are down to 4mg of sub and are not known to mess with needles.

What a major difference. I no longer have sweating issues, oddness, and anxiety peaks. If you look at Naloxone info, these are some of the listed side effects. I am proof that Naloxone can be a very bad additive for some people.
Someone on another website actually called Naloxone 'Evil'. And my god, that orange flavor was driving me sickly insane. I did have to go from 6mg of suboxone to 4mg of this for him to let me do it. He is kind of strict and pisses me every time. But he is a good doc and helped with other things other than just the sub.

Anyway, for 56 2mg pills (month supply based on actual next appt). cost like $23 and my insurance paid fifty some bucks (my script ins pays 70%, which I think is average or below average. the dos said it would be like 4 bucks, he was wrong. Maybe I should try Walmart?

What are you all paying, if you have been lucky enough to get the pure bupe?
Anybody getting a real generic break?
 
@c.h.
I take doses in the 500mcg range about 2-3x a day, depending on how much I have. I assume you make a solution of your whole pill to effectively measure your doses. Do you have a problem with bacteria with it sitting for so long? Do you keep in the fridge?
I don't know if I get a high ,but I always feel better, happier, and more energetic after my injection, even at tiny doses.
Plus, if you do blood chokes, or "head rushes" they're much more effective after a dose. (However, those are really bad for your brain as you are depriving it of oxygen filled blood, so I don't reccomend them if you don't already do them)
Yeah, I micron filter 3 pills at a time, and that normally lasts two people 3 to 3 and a half weeks at this point in my taper.

I don't have a problem with bacteria because I use 0.9% benzyl alcohol bacteriostatic water - so that the benzyl alcohol prevents bacteria growth.

Yes I do keep it in the fridge, I have been advised this is the best idea for a long-term solution.

I remember seenig a documentary, where in Norway the gov't gave out magazines for junkies to sell. Couldn't you do that?
That reminds me of Wonder Showzen where they have about 20 black/hispanic guys introduce themselves. They're all "delivery men".

Just got switched to subutex. My doctor knows I am experiencing myoclonic twitches and thought it might be the naloxone. He won't script pure bupe unless your are down to 4mg of sub and are not known to mess with needles.
LOL because you TOTALLY can't inject Suboxone... 8) doctors and their ignorance.

What a major difference. I no longer have sweating issues, oddness, and anxiety peaks. If you look at Naloxone info, these are some of the listed side effects. I am proof that Naloxone can be a very bad additive for some people.
Someone on another website actually called Naloxone 'Evil'. And my god, that orange flavor was driving me sickly insane. I did have to go from 6mg of suboxone to 4mg of this for him to let me do it. He is kind of strict and pisses me every time. But he is a good doc and helped with other things other than just the sub.
I wouldn't subject myself to being piss tested every time, but some people don't respond properly to naloxone. Others do just fine.
 
So, I'm going to make an appoint with one of the local suboxone doctors, to try to get off Heroin. This ime around, I've been using for a little over a month, and I've kept my habit pretty small (comparatively) by just using about a $10 bag of black tar per day, qid. I have no health insurance, and with the $180 doctors visit and the script, its going to seriously hurt my wallet (worse than the dope, at this point). I've called around to many local pharmacies, comparing suboxone prices between them and with subutex. I've found that a one month supply of generic subutex would save me a fist full cash, so I'm wondering what peoples experience is asking doctors to proscribe subuetx from induction are. This will be my first time in opiate treatment, previous ties I've gone ct or been able to acquire weaker opiates for a taper.
thanks, sorry for the ramble.

tl;dr, do doctors work with patients who can't afford suboxone by scripting generic subutex in it's place?
 
tl;dr, do doctors work with patients who can't afford suboxone by scripting generic subutex in it's place?
Mine did, but it was a fucking mission. Then, when I came to see him the next month, he denied ever giving it to me. He believed me a little bit more after I went to my car and got the bottle (with his name on it) to show him. 8) Yeah, he's an idiot.

There's no way to know if your doctor will do it - there is enough variance from doctor to doctor, but when it comes to sub doctors, everything goes out the window. Especially since the great majority of them are shills for the pharm companies and are only in it for the money.

Just press on and give your doctor shit. Thats what I did. I was sick of paying that much for subs, and once the generic came out, I decided I was either going to switch to it, or stop taking it entirely. Fortunately, my doctor caved. I hope you have the same success. If your doctor is in it primarily for the money, and I'll bet he is, let him know you have no problem finding a new sub doctor who will work with his patients. It might change his mind - it did with mine.
 
Mine did, but it was a fucking mission. Then, when I came to see him the next month, he denied ever giving it to me. He believed me a little bit more after I went to my car and got the bottle (with his name on it) to show him. 8) Yeah, he's an idiot.
LOL sounds a lot like my doctor!

There's no way to know if your doctor will do it - there is enough variance from doctor to doctor, but when it comes to sub doctors, everything goes out the window. Especially since the great majority of them are shills for the pharm companies and are only in it for the money.

Just press on and give your doctor shit. Thats what I did. I was sick of paying that much for subs, and once the generic came out, I decided I was either going to switch to it, or stop taking it entirely. Fortunately, my doctor caved. I hope you have the same success. If your doctor is in it primarily for the money, and I'll bet he is, let him know you have no problem finding a new sub doctor who will work with his patients. It might change his mind - it did with mine.
Well put JC.
 
wow every time I come back on this thread I thank god my doctor actually trusted me to give me generic subutex. I feel so bad when I read about people that ARE trustworthy getting shot down by their doctors. 8o

I was mainly posting to 100% AGREE about the lower dosing of sub! I literally felt NOTHING (except better lol) tapering down to 2-4mgs daily as opposed to the 16mgs I started taking (and kept taking for almost 6 months). I feel SO much better now down to below 4. I usually take 2mgs one day, then 4mgs the next, and alternating like that recently. It's working out well so far. Next step is down to 2mgs EVERY day, then hopefully only 1mg every day. There are also generic 2mg subs right? I think those would be easier to taper with, only working with 8's currently and they suck to break even with a pill cutter. :(
 
Just got switched to subutex. My doctor knows I am experiencing myoclonic twitches and thought it might be the naloxone. He won't script pure bupe unless your are down to 4mg of sub and are not known to mess with needles.

What a major difference. I no longer have sweating issues, oddness, and anxiety peaks. If you look at Naloxone info, these are some of the listed side effects. I am proof that Naloxone can be a very bad additive for some people.
Someone on another website actually called Naloxone 'Evil'. And my god, that orange flavor was driving me sickly insane. I did have to go from 6mg of suboxone to 4mg of this for him to let me do it. He is kind of strict and pisses me every time. But he is a good doc and helped with other things other than just the sub.

Anyway, for 56 2mg pills (month supply based on actual next appt). cost like $23 and my insurance paid fifty some bucks (my script ins pays 70%, which I think is average or below average. the dos said it would be like 4 bucks, he was wrong. Maybe I should try Walmart?

What are you all paying, if you have been lucky enough to get the pure bupe?
Anybody getting a real generic break?

I'm going to try Wal Mart next too, I'll let you know how it goes. Currently paying about $110 for 25/8mg generic subutex, about $4.40 each I know it HAS to be cheaper somewhere, if it isn't, hopefully it will drop soon. It's really not much less than the subox. was... paid $285 for 45 of those the last scrip I filled. I guess a couple bucks cheaper per pill, but still, I'd like it to be at least 1/2 the cost, since I personally don't think the generics absorb or work quite as well. who knows, maybe it's all in my head, but I prefer suboxone to the generics subutex. Glad you're issues are gone now though, I don't think I've had any of those problems with it, maybe anxiety, but I'm also on a benzo so I don't notice anxiety Lol
 
Carl

Technically doctors are supposed to use Subutex rather Suboxone during induction. I couldnt see a doctor having any argument against scripting Subutex, if they did say you have taken Suboxone before and the Naloxone gave you headaches. I have seen that work a few times.

johanneschimpo

Thats crazy your doc would let you get generic subs. It makes me think some doctors are getting kick backs from Reckitt & Benckiser. If it is happening now would be the ideal time for that to occur.

Peace,
Seedless
 
Suboxone vs. Subutex ... price wise...?

I'm legally prescribed Suboxone, so I'm asking about pharmacy prices, not street prices.

For the past few months that I've been on Suboxone, my insurance company has completely covered the cost. I didn't even have a co-pay (same with the rest of my meds). Now...all of sudden, they're not covering Suboxone at all. And instead of telling me this ahead of time, I find out about the change when I call them after the pharmacy clerk tells me : "That'll be $462 (USD) please."

Someone told me that Subutex is generic now and cheaper than Suboxone. Is that true? And if so, how much would it be without insurance? Also, do they come in 8mg pills?

I can't afford $462 a month for a single med. For that much, I might as well go back to Oxy (half-joking).

And info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
^^ to ther poster ABove CH---- yres there is now a Subutex that is generic and thus cheaper than Suboxone. It does come in 2 and 8mg. An thats it, there is no narc so subutex=no nalox.

Price wise, and Capn H please edit my post but its only pharmacies im going to talk about to help thgis fellow out!!!!

@ Tom80----- The generic subtex is avail;able and dnt see why you wouldnt be able to get it, just go in to your doc and say " i cannot afford my next months script as i havent enough money to stay on them, but i know if i get off them then i will relaspe on (your DOC) and due to the fact that im paying a very very high large amount of $$$ that= to a nice car payment (400+ a monTH) for the damn script and that you cant afford it anymore and do NOT want to relaspe after I get off it due to the cost. So can I switch to the subutex brand as Ive read online its gone generic and is sooooo much cheaper"!!! just tell your doc that and you shud get the script. And IDK if your in the U.S but @ walgreens 30 8mg subutex generics cost 120$. @ Riteaid its 235$ for 30 8mg. CVS had 30 priced @ 190$ and thats all Ive called arounbd to so far.

PM if you want more info and Im sorry if this isnt allowed but Im just trying to help the guy out cuz the shit he needs and is paying outtta the ass!!!!!

My suboxone i get from the pahrmacy that i pay cash for comes to 179$ for 30 8mg of suboxone so that means you HAVE to call diff pharmacies as the price varies GREATLY!!!!
\Good look bro!
 
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just a warning for anyone trying to switch, I am going thru absolute H3LL trying to obtain the generics, they are back-ordered until the third week of March, from Roxane. So anyone that is trying to switch right now, please hold off until AFTER March so you don't have to go through this mess that I've been dealing with. Thankfully I was finally able to have a pharmacist call Roxane today and find out what was really going on. So now, back to square one, Brand name Subutex it is, for $417.00 per 45 pills, I'm in exactly the same boat I was in before I went through the huge hassle of getting my doc. to make the switch in the first place. Good luck everyone, I don't think Roxane was prepared to have their generic Subutex in such high demand as soon as it was released. :P
 
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