Stimulants Substituing d-amphetamine instead of daily caffeine/coffee

[MrSpeedyG]

I am thinking about using d-amp, pharm grade stuff, at most 1-2 per week in low doses, not to achieve any euphoria whatsoever that it not my goal, but just for the extra productivity, focus over say daily use of caffeine. Alternatively, what do you think of using d-amp in substitute for coffee in terms of effects and long term health... say 2.5mg in substitute for a typical one cup of coffee but on a long term basis.

I don't have any intentions of abusing, I can't ever see myself go back to those days however I should note I previously had an addiction to d-amphetamine however, like said, I have no intentions what so ever to use it recreationally again as it will end horribly. I can't afford that and do not want it. I do not even have intent of using once of recreationally. My only goal for use of it is to make a possible better substitute for caffeine as I find it a rather dirty, horrible crash stimulant. It has been over 7-8 months since I last used it.

So is responsible use really possible, or will it spiral out of hand sooner or later?

 

[MrFister]

You'll need to maintain a willpower of pure iron my friend. Don't ever think you're completely in control, i've seen good people treat the drug without expect and end up binging while still think they're in control. If you keep it strict I don't see any reason why that wouldn't be possible

 

[MrSpeedyG]

It would be a test, however I plan to keep extremely strict on it. My goal is not for recreation.

 

[dirzted]

If you have the disease of addiction (not just being a heavy user) than if you do that it is incredibly likely you will relapse again.

So given that you should really just stick with caffeine and I wouldn't see any real point in switching in the first place.

 

[iodo]

Did you use caffeine in the same manner that you plan to use the amp?
I was addicted to caffeine (I still am) and I felt that I didn't get quite where I wanted without it on low dose amps. But then again I was into the coffee and cigarette ritual..

I would say 5mg for an initial dose, so you don't feel underdosed, and then 2.5 as necessary. Of course they'll lose potential and risk addiction if you abuse them. But if you plan on being strict and responsible, then its possible. Just be careful.

 

[MrSpeedyG]

Yes coffee used in the same manner is horrible, it gives me anxiety when the comedown hits and I find it doesn't keep me awake. Low dose amp use to do it good for me, 2.5mg instead of a coffee and it was so much better. Subtle yes, but it was there, just that slight boost, however 5mg initial was needed.

I think I'll give it a shot, if it turns to shit I'll just get rid of them.

 

[sekio]

Moving from regular use of caffeine to amphetamine is a step backwards.

So is responsible use really possible, or will it spiral out of hand sooner or later?

It's not, especially if you've had problems with amphetamine overuse in the past.

 

[spacejunk]

Try nootropics...amphetamine is not a healthy daily "supplement" in any dose.

 

[tweex]

Try mixing amphetamine and modafinil instead in lower doses.

Modafinil has anti-addictive and anti-neurotoxic effects on amphetamine, smooths out the comeup/comedown and also accomplishes at lot of what you are after.

Also definitely look at other nootropics too, as spacejunk said.

Amphetamine may be a step back from caffeine, but I'd argue modafinil and amphetamine+modafinil are a step forward.

 

[MrSpeedyG]

It does seem like a potential step back, however I am talking very low doses not to feel much pronounced effect, just a very subtle focus. I think with this mindset and keeping in mind if it goes out of hand, I will abort and rid of my supply. I have no interest of going down that path again, if I did I would have started a while ago again, but times have changed.

I was reading a while ago people using low dose d-amp, a bloke used 2.5mg as an equivalent to a cup of coffee and said it was an excellent substitute.

Long term, people are prescribed amphetamine salts, daily, for years, in much, much higher doses than 2.5mg to 10mg at the most a day so I think it would be alright IMHO. IIRC, d-amphetamine has been shown to not have any neurotoxicity sub 15mg doses and it was actually neuroprotective against high doses, it may be d-methamphetamine the study was done on however.

 

[stray cat]

theoretically, you could maintain daily low-dose d-amp use like that without any major harm. however, since you have already had an addiction to d-amp, the likelihood of you doing it is incredibly low, and the risk incredibly high.

"I think with this mindset and keeping in mind if it goes out of hand, I will abort and rid of my supply. I have no interest of going down that path again . . ."

if it was that easy, there would be no addicts

 

[MrSpeedyG]

if it was that easy, there would be no addicts

I think that sums it up quite well actually. In theory it could work, but chances are it will spiral out of hand and I don't want to go down that path again. I think case closed on this one, as I say "quit while ahead".

 

[Wasted_talent]

modafinil is great, but much more of an exterior, motivational drug than d-amp. coffee is great and socially acceptable; but still a drug. Listening to Radio 4 in morning sometimes bugs me as they talk so freekin fast. caffine is really short lived, releases the stress hormone cortisol. Fine if your not anxious, or have endless cups of coffee.
d-amp is pure internal focus with little distraction.
All of the above will keep you up at night though, unless you use some kinda sedative.
One drug equates to another drug, just my experience.
like to poster said above, maybe a nootropic like piracetam or one of it's bigger brothers.