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Suboxone withdrawal between Prescriptions - How to unscrew myself.

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So long story short, I'm a chronic opiate addict with a pretty high tolerance and i've been on suboxone for two years. I've had trouble in the past with abusing my prescription, but I was honest about it and my doctor and I discussed the reasons why, upped my therapy...yap yap yap. The consequence was, the next time I call him to fill a prescription early or make an appointment more than five days ahead of refill date, he's cutting me off and sending me back to inpatient.

So in the past couple of weeks my back pain has been increasing and my depression has taken a real downward spiral and I've been taking about six milligrams more than my script. I've been able to go four or five days without in the past by using loperamide and naproxen and sleep, but I'm going to be leaving the state and going on vacation in the Smokies with my husband and child and our friends for ten days and I will be without suboxone for all of them. It's shitty planning on my part, shitty behavior on my part and I've returned to my regular dosage successfully over the past few days, but still, it's going to be shitty.

I have no access to "get some benzos" or "get some painkillers" (nor do I want to go back down the painkiller road), I don't know any Sub patients in Chicago who keep a stash that I could do a quick taper from...so I guess I'm asking what you think of my plan:

- start loperamide a few days before we leave, get stable
- bring lope, sleeping pills, St. John's Wort, antidepressants on vacation
- don't try and taper off lope until we get home.

Is there anything else otc or 'home remedy' I can do before or while I'm there?
 
So how many mg's of suboxone are you on a day usually? With suboxone, a lot of people find by taking less of it (.5mg-2mg a day max is more than enough to hold most people over), the effect is more greater than taking a bunch of it. It's not a drug where if you keep doing them you're gonna really feel the postive benifits from it.
 
I'm already tapering pretty quickly with what I have left. I've argued with folks a thousand times on this forum (and with my doctor) regarding my dosage. The day i went to detox i started on 4 mgs, and it had no effect (i was in w/d from 200mg hydro +1 75mcg fentanyl patch per day), when I finally got up to 16, I felt better.

I'm not snapping at you, just saying that the "4 mg ceiling effect" is bull. And especially since I've been taking 16, taking 4 is a big jump. I'm trying it, but it's rough.

I'm thinking about getting some kratom, I don't know. I just don't want to be on loperamide for two full weeks before I can get my script.
 
Find a different doctor is what I would do. If your taking 16mg why not bump it up another 4 or 8 or whatever if that is what will keep you comfortable. I know when I was on subs being comfortable was an utmost concern. I sat on 32mg for a long time, 2 years? it held me but I was still mentally obsessing about scoring and using [so I continued to use]. After the 2 yr mark I slowly decreased my dose stayed at 24mgs for many more years and just kept what I didnt take. Another 4 yrs later I was just taking .5-1mg nasally. Now I am clean off opiates for 6 months.

Sometimes I REALLY wonder why I sat on that med for so long but yet I contribute suboxone for helping to save my life. It sometimes scares me to think where I would have landed if the FDA didnt approve sub for opiate maintenance. Methadone [again], jail, dead, with out a doubt one of those would have occurred. If you are taking bupe you should be comfortable and should be getting an adequate dose. Alot of doctors that jumped on the bupe bandwagon were/are dumb and dont treat there patients correctly, find a new doc there are TONS out there.

peace.
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Worsening pain is a sign something may be wrong...you should see your doctor before you go camping...but NOT FOR A REFILL! Tell him your pain is worse. Ask him to assess you and determine if you should even be going camping. If he okays it ask if there are any topical medications that could help lessen your pain.

If you abuse your prescription it is best to give it to neutral 3rd party who is trustworthy, reliable, and has your best interests at heart. My fiance keeps my Adderall rx safe from me locked up and away from home (with his same rx) and brings me home 2-3 days worth at a time. This has been a great solution to my ADHD impulse-control med issues.

if you are hell-bent on going camping SAVE THE REST OF YOUR SUBS FOR THE TRIP!!! Detoxing will be more pleasant for you in the comfort and privacy of your own home. This is supposed to be a special camping trip...plans...friends...family...bonding...memories to cherish...right?

Exercise some self control or give the pills you have left to someone who will save what you have left for when you will need it most!
 
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hey im not sure if this is good advice or not but if u still got alittle sub left id say u can def cut down if u snort alittle it will help u save some.I coming off of a 2 bundle a day habit only snorted at most 1mg a day when sublingual i would take atleast 4.
 
Snorting suboxone is viable when you are on a low dose because those pills are huge, also suboxone used to irritate my nose and I was only snoring little bumps, but if your trying to conserve I would give snorting a shot like totach said.
 
I'm beyond conservation unless I suddenly stumble upon a few pills in the street. (Wouldn't that be a dream? sigh) I only have 12 mgs left and I'm down to taking 4-8 day, and still getting the sweats, shaky from that. I think I'm just going to have to go the St. John's Wort/Lope route. I've done it before for a week or so and was fine, I'm just worried about two weeks. Hey, who knows, maybe I can kick sub for good.

P.S. my doctor is fantastic. He's great about my pain management and he has increased my dosage before due to pain. After my back surgery I was up at 32 for a few months. I trust him, he's one of the foremost authorities on Sub in Chicago and he's seen me through some tough shit. I screwed myself this time, just got to deal. If I can get through cold turkey oxy w/d, I can get through this.
 
In my Opinion kratom is evil...I tried it for Subutex/Suboxone/Buprenrphine/Buprenex withdrawals and it doesn't do anything, if anything makes it worse..
 
Had you ever tried loperamide? I seem to be in that weird small population that had super great results from loperamide, and I've seen that a few folks here say lope and kratom together potentiate each other. Hey. If it doesn't work, I can just do exclusive lope. I'll live. sigh.
 
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