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Opioids Suboxone patient trying to get high on hydrocodone

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So I have been taking 2mg of sub a day for a long time. I acquired 100mg of hydrocodone and I want to take it tomorrow night on my birthday. That will be 36 hours since my last dose of sub. Other than sub I have been clean from opiates for quite awhile. What do you guys think the chances of me getting a nice warm glow feeling? I know I wont nod but I just want to feel good. Thanks for the help also if 100mg wont be enough how much will?
 
Don't take the hydrocodone, it is counter productive . Think about all of those days on suboxone, what would they be for if you took hydro tomorrow? Do one or the other , if you want to go back to abusing opiates at the end of the day, fiine...but when I tried oxy after being on suboxone it wasn't that great.
 
I'll share my experience; hopefully it'll help answer your question. I ran out of Subutex once, and three days later insufflated 80mg. of Oxycodone and ingested 6 Lortab 10mg. tablets and a few Klonopins. I chased this with vodka. I felt absolutely nothing from the opioids, but the benzo's produced the expected effects. I'm not making a judgment here, I just wouldn't waste them. If it were me, I'd wait at least a week, until I was in full-blown withdrawal before taking them. Good luck, whatever you do, and have a happy birthday.
 
If you've been on subs for a while, there'll be a backlog in your system: there's no point taking the hydro till you're in full-blown w/d, I would have thought. It's probably going to be a waste (unless you're on a tiny sub dose) - finish your taper, give it some time, and save the hydro till you're in a better position to enjoy it. Otherwise, it seems unlikely to be much of a birthday present.

Happy birthday.
 
VerbumVincet said:
I'll share my experience; hopefully it'll help answer your question. I ran out of Subutex once, and three days later insufflated 80mg. of Oxycodone and ingested 6 Lortab 10mg. tablets and a few Klonopins. I chased this with vodka. I felt absolutely nothing from the opioids, but the benzo's produced the expected effects. I'm not making a judgment here, I just wouldn't waste them. If it were me, I'd wait at least a week, until I was in full-blown withdrawal before taking them. Good luck, whatever you do, and have a happy birthday.
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Thanks that is kinda what I figured. I guess I just need to wait and find some stronger opiates I wish I still had my heroin connect. Anyway thanks for the birthday wishes guys. I am going to see citizen cope so I am sure it will be a good time no matter what.
 
Greetings. I've read your post and have some viable solutions to your conundrum(s). Do you know of those O.T.C. semi-generical drugs that they sell at your local pharmacist which seem to cure the effects of G.E.R.D.(gastro-esophagul reflux disease)? Well, according to some of my medicinal text books, it says that when you use these drugs on a regular basis(at least consume the G.E.R.D. medicine before ingesting the hydrocodone), that your digestive tract will actually absorb more of the "said" drug to it's almost maximum potential. I guess you could look at it, as if your body was a car, and you were getting an oil change. Try not to drink anything that has too much Vitamin C(especially grapefruit juice), as this has the potential to break the drug down faster into the blood stream which will reduce your desired duration and strength. Nicotine can lessen the effects as much as 40%. So if you do smoke(cigarette's), it takes 11 days for the nicotine to leave your system(even after 1 toke). But what's most important to note is whether or not your kidney's and liver are working properly. If there not you will definitely notice the difference between euphoria and ennui.
 
I dont smoke and my liver and kidneys are fine. Are you talking about tagament? or something like that. I have heard it potentates but I've never tried it.
 
There may be two things going on at work there; one is that hydrocodone will be more easily absorbed in the stomach if it is unionised (and more easily excreted in the urine), similar to amphetamine.
The other is that some drugs like Tagamet either increase the amount of more potent metabolites (codeine-->morphine, hydrocodone-->hydromorphone, tramadol-->o-desmethyltramadol) or decrease the amount of inactive metabolites (norcodeine, normorhine etc) that are formed by either inducing or inhibiting certain liver enzymes.

As for doing opioid fullagonists on Suboxone, you should wait until you're feeling jumpy and dopesick before even attempting to dose hydrocodone, otherwise you will llikely regret it. (not because it will make you W/D, but because it will be a waste of drug). Like being on naltrexone, if you want to feel the full effects of opiates you have to wait til the antagonists (or high affinity partial agonists) are out of your system again.

If you were doing less than 0.5mg of sub a day you might have a chance detoxing for 36 hours, but 2mg is a dose where the buprenorphine is partially blocking receptors instead of being turned to norbuprenorphine.

By the way, happy birthday. Trade your hydros for a fat blunt or something.
 
Great post Sekio, and I did answer your question, you just didn't read between the lines, mno pun intended

I wouldbt take tagamet because it is a potent 3 A4 inhibitor , the same enzyme that netabolizes bup into norbup, and besides bup has an insanely long Half-Life
 
Thanks for the answers guys deep down I new the hydro wasn't going to do shit. The addict in me is just craving opiates and I don't access to anything stronger at the moment. I ended up trading the hydros for some ketamine so all is well that ends well.

Lacaster rereading your first post I realize I jumped to the conclusion that you were lecturing me on not getting high. It was just me projecting my insecurity on to your post. I apologize.

Sekio thanks for the detailed response.
 
The addict in me is just craving opiates
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It's in all of us addicts, I have been on suboxone for a while as well and still to this day. Every time I see a prescription bottle I just have to take a peak. Just stay strong
 
sekio said:
There may be two things going on at work there; one is that hydrocodone will be more easily absorbed in the stomach if it is unionised (and more easily excreted in the urine), similar to amphetamine.
The other is that some drugs like Tagamet either increase the amount of more potent metabolites (codeine-->morphine, hydrocodone-->hydromorphone, tramadol-->o-desmethyltramadol) or decrease the amount of inactive metabolites (norcodeine, normorhine etc) that are formed by either inducing or inhibiting certain liver enzymes.

As for doing opioid fullagonists on Suboxone, you should wait until you're feeling jumpy and dopesick before even attempting to dose hydrocodone, otherwise you will llikely regret it. (not because it will make you W/D, but because it will be a waste of drug). Like being on naltrexone, if you want to feel the full effects of opiates you have to wait til the antagonists (or high affinity partial agonists) are out of your system again.

If you were doing less than 0.5mg of sub a day you might have a chance detoxing for 36 hours, but 2mg is a dose where the buprenorphine is partially blocking receptors instead of being turned to norbuprenorphine.

By the way, happy birthday. Trade your hydros for a fat blunt or something.
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I agree with you on everything, but just for the sake of putting it out there, at that dose, 36 hours would have been enough time for me to have felt hydrocodone. The longer the better of course though. I seem to remember that Suboxone is terrible as a delivery system and a lot of bupe doesn't absorb (compared to, say, Temgesic). So perhaps 2mg isn't actually as huge a dose as it first seems (though still certainly a large one).

OP, if you do it, every hour you wait counts.
 
crimsonjunk said:
Thanks for the answers guys deep down I new the hydro wasn't going to do shit. The addict in me is just craving opiates and I don't access to anything stronger at the moment. I ended up trading the hydros for some ketamine so all is well that ends well.

Lacaster rereading your first post I realize I jumped to the conclusion that you were lecturing me on not getting high. It was

just me projecting my insecurity on to your post. I apologize.

Sekio thanks for the detailed response.
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thanks man, I really appreciate that. I love you man, I don't want yoU to make the same mistakes I did and you don't want me to make mistakes you did.

Ketamine is soooo much better than hydro, that was a good fucking trade.
 
@OP, I'm glad you decided not to waste any time/calories/effort trying, it would have been a big disappointment.

Have a great and happy birthday man!
 
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