Bupe Suboxone (my plan) Help?

[SkagKush]

Hey bluelighters, I am a long time reader and i finally just registered. My main forum was grasscity, but they banned talk of other drugs, so this looks like my new home.

anyways, just got on a sub plan with a doc, and i am taking 8mg a day. i was using dope for three years, china white and a brown pow however i was a smoker. anyways, i have done tapers with bupe several times and it worked pretty well. but what i wanna do is taper now down to 4mgs a day so that i can stock pile subs every second day.

i was thinking 6mg tomo for a week
then down to 4mg

my question is, do u think this is a good idea?
will 4 mg hold me if i taper properly?
and is that a perfectly fine taper plan?

my other tapers were quick with only 4 to 8 pills

thanks guys... glad to b here

 

[SkagKush]

Forgot to mention that i still have to go to the clinic everyday for my sub. so if this worked i would have a spare pill every second day. so in a month id have a spare 14 or 15 8mg pills, and that leave me room to go around a bit till i get my 30 day take home batch.

also id just b on less and could come off it faster and still stockpile the rest that i would still b getting. trying to avoid any WDs possible.

 

[30roxi30]

if you been taking 8 mg daily for a little while im sure u wouldnt notice a difference droping to 4mgs cause the sub is built up in your system ..... its always good to have extra sub laying around ...but whats the deal with the clinic do the watch you take your dose??

ill go on binges of opana and oxy for a couple weeks and hope back to sub ...around 100 to 200mg opana or up to 300 oxy and i can take 4 mg of sub and it would hold me ...id say you could get down to 2mgs a little after a week if you wanted ...you would be surprised on how little of sub will get you by.... you will see alot of people on here that only take 0.25mg to 1mg

 

[SkagKush]

lol ive been reading that in the sub mega thread, but they are banging that small a dose, no?
im liking dosing once a day, subling, cause it gets me away from my using routine.
might try snorting soon cause i know of the BA difference but then id need to dose twice?

ive been on 8mg for like almost two weeks now, u really think a 4mg drop would b ok? thinking ill do 6mg for a bit.......??????

also no, just walk out with it, i wake up take one, go to the pharm and get the next days sub.

 

[30roxi30]

well i IV my sub once in a while but mostly snort .... i have subutex right now but same thing and i can snort just 2mg sometimes it and it seemed to get me by the whole day 24 hours fine ..they say the BA is 50% snorting or 30% under the tongue.... i do often sniff 0.5 to 1mg before bed sometimes just for the hell of it .... if your taking 8mg or sub since suboxone has a half life of 37 hours when you go to dose the next day theres still that 4 mg in you from the day before and it keeps building up .... thats why i think sub docs are retarted when they put people on 32mg a day when the ceiling dose is 16mgs ... after 16 mgs is in you and you take more it will do nothing but waste your meds... you mite not be able to even sniff them soon cause they are making the new film stips for suboxone soon

 

[SkagKush]

im in canada, have not heard of films here. besides on here. ill ask my doc on thur, but if so, even more reason to stockpile.

 

[jamesBrown]

Ok man.....to tell you my experience....

I NEVER had any withdrawal effects when I lowered my suboxone dose....ever. In fact, EVERY SINGLE TIME I lowered my dose it felt even better and gave me even more euphorical highs. Well, those euphorical highs only came at the doses below 1-2mg's. Thats because when you take such tiny doses(~less than a mg) your leaving receptors open in your brain for bupernorphines metabolite norbupernorphine, which is a full agonist like heroin or oxy and it has the ability to get you high and kill your pain/withdrawals better.

At high doses, like the ones your taking, the suboxone has no way of providing analgesic effects. i reccomend going straight down to 2 mg's a day immediately. I doubt you will have ANY withdrawal effects. And then after you are on 2 mg's for around a week or two, I would then lower it even more to like 0.5-1 mg a day. After a short while of this you will start to notice the euphorical properties of suboxone that you never had the chance of experiencing before when you were taking your ihgh doses.

You see, high doses of suboxone floods your receptors with bupe which is only a partial agonist and cant really do much for you pain-wise, nor can get give you much euphoria if your allready opiate toelrant....but if you only take tiny doses, you are leaving your receptors open for a full agonist like I said earlier which feels MUCH better than just bupe by itself.

 

[SkagKush]

thanks jamesbrown, but i was actually fully aware of all of this. but again using .5 or we is mainlining no? im subling but i would snort

 

[jamesBrown]

It really doesnt matter what ROA you use as long as the amount that reaches your blood/brain is less than 2 mg's.

ANd if you were fully aware of all of this, why did you ask the questions you did in your original post?

If you knew allready that droping your dose to only 2mg's a day would not make you go into withdrawals, then why did you ask about it?

 

[SkagKush]

wow really? i knew about all of the receptor information, as i said im a daily reader. what i did not know was if i would b able to stay on a low dose for an extended period of time....but thanks for the welcome

i was also asking what people thought about my game plan and its effectiveness. really no need for that.

 

[jamesBrown]

wow really? i knew about all of the receptor information, as i said im a daily reader. what i did not know was if i would b able to stay on a low dose for an extended period of time....but thanks for the welcome

Im not sure if you were being sarcastic or not...but I hope not....I was merely answering your question and then asking another one....I was never being rude or anything.

Anyway....yes, MANY MANY people are able to stay at a low dose for extended periods of time. I am one of them. I dont see how the dose would make a difference as to how long you can be taking the medication. in fact, as you said you allready know, the lower the dose the better the effects. therefore i would definitely reccomend that you start taking a MUCH lower dose than the 8mg's a day you are currently taking. And from my experience...you can do this immediately with no withdrawal effects..

....if you search around in the bupe mega thread and other threads about bupe, Im sure you will find more than enough info on the questions you have. Its just that sometimes the moderators and other members dont like having to repeat the same things over and over again so they just tell you to use the search function. I personally dont mind, but im just letting you know how other members respond sometimes.

 

[jamesBrown]

i was also asking what people thought about my game plan and its effectiveness. really no need for that.

I guess my whole point was that ANY taper plan in your situation is unecessary. You could simply drop down to a much smaller dose no problem, and no taper. Thats why its kinda hard to judge your "taper plans effectiveness".....in my opinion there is no effect from slowly lowering your dose, so therefore....no effectiveness. Allthough, you could still do it your way and it would work fine, I was simply trying to let you know that there is a much easier and faster way to do what your trying to do.

 

[SkagKush]

word, sorry about before, seems we figured it out, starting a new forum can be rough.

but thanks, i would never have just cut my dose in half without being told that that was ok. no wd sounds good, but maybe ill do 6mg tomo then 4mg the next, stockpiling here i come.

 

[jamesBrown]

word, sorry about before, seems we figured it out, starting a new forum can be rough.

but thanks, i would never have just cut my dose in half without being told that that was ok. no wd sounds good, but maybe ill do 6mg tomo then 4mg the next, stockpiling here i come.

yea fo sure....im able to save up enough suboxone so that I can keep 2 of my close friends off the streets, and off heroin. I give them there daily doses of suboxone so that they dont have to go scam/steal to get money so they can buy heroin. It feels good to be able to help others.

Also, I still manage to have a large stockpile of my own saved up just in case I get cut off from my suboxone source for some reason.

 

[SkagKush]

think i read u say that in sub mega thread, that is pretty awesome bro, wish i was ur friend prior to me starting my program. how much are u dosing them?

 

[jamesBrown]

I give them ~2mg's a day.

its more than enough to keep them satisfied...in fact, they get the euphoria that I get from the low doses....they dose in 0.5 mg incraments just like I usually do

 

[SkagKush]

iv?

 

[jamesBrown]

they can do it however they wish....I think they snort it for the most part...and sometimes sublingual it, and rarely IV.

it doesnt really make much of a difference. Why do you ask.

 

[SkagKush]

just curious to be honest.

no body else has anything to say? find that hard to believe.

 

[jamesBrown]

just curious to be honest.

no body else has anything to say? find that hard to believe.

I think its just a slow period right now for BL, give it 15-45 minutes and you probably wont be able to get the people to shut up.

Anyway, im gonna go much down on some chow...later