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Suboxone - I get hardly anything from sublingually, snorting is much better

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Hello,

I've been taking suboxone daily for about 9 months now. I'm not on SMT; it's more just for recreation. I also don't really do any opiates/opiods anymore, so it is nice that suboxone gives me a buzz still, lasts long, and isn't as expensive as most other pills relative to what you get.

The thing is, I've been snorting them 99% of the time, and I don't like the idea of doing that long-term as I have (bad bad for nose, like deviated septum possibility?). I've tried sublingually maybe 8 times or so, but each time, I get almost nothing. I generally snort about 3-4mg in a day of the orange, 8mg pills. Usually about 2mg in the morning then another 1.5mg or so in the afternoon or evening.

The problem I have with snorting them is doing it that much can't be good at all for one's nose. I also have bad allergies and find my nose clogged up badly at times, especially at night (makes sleeping difficult on the worst days). So either way it can't be good, it's just that sublingually does NOTHING for me even though I'd really like to avoid snorting.

Each time I've put the same amount under my tongue, it dissolves in just a few minutes, and I try not to swallow much saliva for 10 minutes, and I don't drink anything for 10-15 minutes. Yet I don't seem to get a buzz... if I do, it seems to be about 1/2 as strong as snorting, which is a problem when it comes to cost and availability of sub.

Am I doing something wrong with sublingually? You'd think when snorting, a lot of it drips in your throat, then down to your stomach, which orally is worse for sub than sublingually, yet it is not placebo or anything, but snorting is MUCH better. I know like 6+ other people that agree that smaller snorted amounts work MUCH better.

Or does it take much longer to feel when doing sublingually? When snorting, I start to feel it in 15-20 minutes, and within 30 minutes or so it has mostly dissolved and I feel it.
 
I've always heard that snorting smaller amounts of subs creates a better buzz.

I've never used it, but I do plan on going on SMT after I have back surgery and get off the oxy.
 
hehe, i insufflate my suboxone as well, but because letting minute amounts of suboxone dissolve under my tongue can be a hassle. i can't smoke, eat, etc when its under my tongue, so snorting it alwyas ensures that it's going to be absorbed well, and any wasted will be relatively consistent unlike letting it dissolve under tongue.
 
Once you get used to it, Suboxone becomes effective recreationnaly only if you snort or shoot it...
You're not doing anything wrong, it's just that Buprenorphine does nothing sublingually when you have a tolerance to it... (well, it does something, but no high)
 
I've been on suboxone maintenance for about two years, and I never saw the point in snorting them. I've been on 16mg daily, but for the past 6 months or so I have been only taking 8mg each day. I am at 8mg every other day now, and have been for the last two months. Of course I feel it more now, but I won't feel a "high" unless I take atleast three day breaks. I do the same thing with my Adderall XR and Klonopin prescriptions. I take ~30-40mg of Adderall XR orally with 8mg of suboxone sublingually every other day along with 1-2mg of clonazepam when I'm coming down. Doing this, I actually feel high using my regular medication.

I have been diagnosed with sleep apnea and a deviated septum.. being on suboxone maintenance makes this more difficult. I need to have surgery and a tolerance low enough so that the pain meds will be effective. I doubt a doctor will hand me oxy 80s, morphine sulfate, or anything really potent. I was told I would be given liquid oxycontin and codeine. Since when has there been liquid oxycontin? Codeine wouldn't do shit, so I don't see why I would be given that. I didn't tell them about the suboxone... but I'm most likely not going to see the same doctor for this surgery.
 
^^...they might give you methadone...and for something like a painful surgery, I'd at least want a full, opiate/oid agonist (and long-lasting, too)...

But, if you've been on Suboxone for 2 years already why switch, eh?
Sometimes if you, switch your opiate of choice, it works better for analgesia...
Just some thoughts.

I also only found buprenorphrine truly recreational with IV Buprenex injections.
And after a steady diet of full agonists for many years, it would only get my sick off...
 
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IV buprenex isnt too bad, ive had it in the hospital before. as far as suboxones go, i know a few ppl that swear by snorting them. like they go ot of their way to get them because they enjoy the high. i think the high is dirty but to each their own. snorting just produces a faster onset. i never got into snorting them, they clog my nose something horrible.
 
I Hate people that try to get high of suboxone/subutex^ If you want to get high, get some real drugs.GodDamit!#!%

maybe they cant find anything else...

and why do you care? if you dont like what someone posts then dont read it or better yet dont post about how much you dislike it..

they asked a simple question and if you cant contribute to that question without being a dick then dont post a reply..

you wouldnt want someone to be a dick to you if you had a question, but your probably one of those that think they are the biggest drug addicts in the country and im sure you know everything about opiates...
 
soundphaRm said:
^^...they might give you methadone...and for something like a painful surgery, I'd at least want a full, opiate/oid agonist (and long-lasting, too)...

But, if you've been on Suboxone for 2 years already why switch, eh?
Sometimes if you, switch your opiate of choice, it works better for analgesia...
Just some thoughts.

I also only found buprenorphrine truly recreational with IV Buprenex injections.
And after a steady diet of full agonists for many years, it would only get my sick off...

I wouldn't go through the surgery if the doctor wouldn't give me a good dose of a potent full agonist for the pain after. I guess I would just see different ear, nose, and throat doctors until I find one that will take good care of me. I don't want to hear any, "you were an addict" bullshit and get denied the medication I need.

In some ways I rather be on Methadone, but the only way would be going to the clinic all the time and it's not fun to get off of. Buprenorphine can be a little recreational at times, but even when using it with low tolerance, it's nothing special. I would never use bupe for recreation. Pods, hydrocodone, and codeine are easy as hell to buy so there would be no reason to touch buprenorphine.
 
um isnt this why they put nalaxone in it? does nalaxone do ANYTHING besides give headaches?!? it doesnt even stop abuse. completely illogical
 
thugpassion said:
I Hate people that try to get high of suboxone/subutex^ If you want to get high, get some real drugs.GodDamit!#!%#!*

Oh thug passion, your insightful comments are the reason why bluelight is so special! Obviously, any drug which has any sort of agonistic effect on the opiate receptors (even partial agonism) is going to be abused.
 
oxycont1n said:
um isnt this why they put nalaxone in it? does nalaxone do ANYTHING besides give headaches?!? it doesnt even stop abuse. completely illogical

They put Naloxone in it to prevent abuse by making people afraid to try it intravenously.
And it works, eventhough the Naloxone does nothing, people are still afraid to shoot it...
And only very few people know that they can abuse it. It's (almost) only on Bluelight that you can read reports of people shooting it and telling you that Naloxone has a lower affinity than Bupe....
 
thugpassion said:
I Hate people that try to get high of suboxone/subutex^ If you want to get high, get some real drugs.GodDamit!#!%#!*

yea me too! all those ppl i know! its seriosuly gotta be like 3 of them! jesus what are these ppl thinking ? i mean, suboxone? wtf lolz omfg!!
 
jasoncrest said:
They put Naloxone in it to prevent abuse by making people afraid to try it intravenously.
And it works, eventhough the Naloxone does nothing, people are still afraid to shoot it...
And only very few people know that they can abuse it. It's (almost) only on Bluelight that you can read reports of people shooting it and telling you that Naloxone has a lower affinity than Bupe....

You're forgetting opiophile.. Members there have known about being able to IV suboxone for a while now. I'm sure many more people know about this then you think. Am I going to shoot my suboxone? Hell no... I'm not gonna snort it either because it's nasty to do so and the effects are worse than if I just took it sublingually. I've read that fentanyl analogues have a higher affinity than buprenorphine, but I have read no evidence supporting this claim. Carfentanyl might be able to replace it, as it is an extremely potent opioid.

Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article on buprenorphine: "Suboxone contains the opioid antagonist naloxone to deter illicit intravenous preparation of the tablet. This is intended to attenuate the effects of buprenorphine on opioid-naive users should this formulation be injected - however no human studies have been done demonstrating the efficacy of this approach with buprenorphine and a growing number of street reports indicate that the naloxone is ineffective."
 
God if ive been on suboxone for a year, roughly 2mg a day, how much would I need to feel "altered" now? estimate?
 
I am guilty of insufflating my buprenorphine as well.

Personally, I find there is a much more distinct shift in mood/perception/feeling when using this MOA.

I also find that I use about 50% less than when I dose sublingually.
 
motiv311 said:
God if ive been on suboxone for a year, roughly 2mg a day, how much would I need to feel "altered" now? estimate?

Honestly? I would wait a full 24 hours after your last dose... and insufflate 4-8mg, depending on how much powder you can handle up your nose.
 
I think the drug has very little recreational value in general, but snorting is definitely better than sublingual administration if you are just looking to catch a buzz.
 
If your using the Suboxone just to detox off of an opiate, Is it still better to snort it? Even though I'm not looking to get high, just keep withdrawals at bay, is it still better to snort it?
 
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