Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster. First I want to give my thanks to BL and all the intelligent people who contribute to the spread of knowledge and awareness. Many many many of my questions have been answered in these forums. So thank you.
I have a question about suboxone dosage. Sorry if this isn't posted in the appropriate place...
Tomorrow I plan on starting a short-term detox from heroin using suboxone that I buy off of friends. I can't afford to see my own doc/get my own script, and quite frankly I'm not interested in making the 3 month commitment that all of the sub docs in my area require. I want to get through withdrawals as quickly and as painlessly as possible. This is not my first time doing a self-detox w/ subs, but for some reason this time (meaning the last time I tried to make the switch from H to sub) is different.
Let me give you a little history:
The last time I detoxed was a little over 2 months ago (end March). I started with 6 mg on the evening of day one and felt only a little relief, but suffered through the night and took another 6 mg the next day. After that second dose my symptoms were pretty much entirely suppressed and I continued the next several days taking 4mg, 4mg, 2 mg, 2 mg, 1 mg, etc. skipping a day whenever I felt like I could manage. My goal is always to take as little sub as possible, and I was on vacation so I had plenty to do to keep my mind and body occupied. After a pretty successful detox, I returned home and pretty immediately relapsed (my goal wasn't really to kick, rather to take a break).
Now I'm trying to detox again, and take a significantly longer break (hopefully for the whole summer). Less than a couple of weeks ago, I gathered the pills I needed for my detox and tried to make the jump from H to subs. I waited until I was in moderate WD and took 8 mg. That pill didn't really provide any relief, but since it was like 4 AM i decided to try to sleep through it. Upon waking four-ish hours later, I took 4 mg, waited an hour, and took another 4mg because I was still pretty sick. So at this point I had taken 16 mg in the span of 5 or 6 hours, and I wasn't feeling how I was expecting to feel after getting that much sub in my system. I didn't take any more because I needed to stretch my resources, and I went to work. By evening time I was feeling pretty fucking terrible, to the point where I left work early and went to score. The dope I did cured my sickness, and to my surprise, actually got me high. Since then I have been using (its been 2 weeks since that attempt).
I'm confused as to why two months ago when I did my last self-detox, why was 6 mg a sufficient starting dose, and now 16 mg isn't cutting it for me? I haven't really been keeping track, but I am pretty positive that my use/tolerance hasn't increased by >2.5x in the last 2 months. Just for the record, I currently use about 3 grams of Mexi black tar (from WA state) every day.
My question is: does the amount of subs needed to curb WD symptoms increase proportionally with the amount of heroin used, or could this be some psychological thing going on with me? This seems unlikely, because I use and kick with my boyfriend, who uses the exact amount of dope as I do and the exact amount of subs as I do, and he had the same experience.
I would really appreciate it if someone with a similar sized habit to mine could share their experience or give me advice on what my initial sub dose should be. It seems like 16 mg wasn't cutting it last time I tried, but this seems strange to me because I've always been able to manage with much, much smaller doses. Like I said, I want to take as little sub as needed, but I don't want to end up in another situation where I bail on the second day and go score. I also need enough energy to get the fuck out of bed.
I'm also wondering if swallowing saliva containing dissolved sub too quickly can affect the effectiveness of the pill. When I took that 8mg pill last time, I was desperate and trying to get it into my system as quickly as possible, and was swallowing my saliva as it built up under my tongue.
Sorry this post is so lengthy, and I thank anyone in advance for offering any help. I need to know how many pills to acquire for my detox, and how much to take tomorrow.
One more quick question: I have a hell of a time getting sleep while I detox. I've tried klonopin, melatonin valerican root, arnica, and alcohol to no avail. I hate smoking weed; any other suggestions?
THANK YOU + ALL THE BEST!
Long time lurker, first time poster. First I want to give my thanks to BL and all the intelligent people who contribute to the spread of knowledge and awareness. Many many many of my questions have been answered in these forums. So thank you.
I have a question about suboxone dosage. Sorry if this isn't posted in the appropriate place...
Tomorrow I plan on starting a short-term detox from heroin using suboxone that I buy off of friends. I can't afford to see my own doc/get my own script, and quite frankly I'm not interested in making the 3 month commitment that all of the sub docs in my area require. I want to get through withdrawals as quickly and as painlessly as possible. This is not my first time doing a self-detox w/ subs, but for some reason this time (meaning the last time I tried to make the switch from H to sub) is different.
Let me give you a little history:
The last time I detoxed was a little over 2 months ago (end March). I started with 6 mg on the evening of day one and felt only a little relief, but suffered through the night and took another 6 mg the next day. After that second dose my symptoms were pretty much entirely suppressed and I continued the next several days taking 4mg, 4mg, 2 mg, 2 mg, 1 mg, etc. skipping a day whenever I felt like I could manage. My goal is always to take as little sub as possible, and I was on vacation so I had plenty to do to keep my mind and body occupied. After a pretty successful detox, I returned home and pretty immediately relapsed (my goal wasn't really to kick, rather to take a break).
Now I'm trying to detox again, and take a significantly longer break (hopefully for the whole summer). Less than a couple of weeks ago, I gathered the pills I needed for my detox and tried to make the jump from H to subs. I waited until I was in moderate WD and took 8 mg. That pill didn't really provide any relief, but since it was like 4 AM i decided to try to sleep through it. Upon waking four-ish hours later, I took 4 mg, waited an hour, and took another 4mg because I was still pretty sick. So at this point I had taken 16 mg in the span of 5 or 6 hours, and I wasn't feeling how I was expecting to feel after getting that much sub in my system. I didn't take any more because I needed to stretch my resources, and I went to work. By evening time I was feeling pretty fucking terrible, to the point where I left work early and went to score. The dope I did cured my sickness, and to my surprise, actually got me high. Since then I have been using (its been 2 weeks since that attempt).
I'm confused as to why two months ago when I did my last self-detox, why was 6 mg a sufficient starting dose, and now 16 mg isn't cutting it for me? I haven't really been keeping track, but I am pretty positive that my use/tolerance hasn't increased by >2.5x in the last 2 months. Just for the record, I currently use about 3 grams of Mexi black tar (from WA state) every day.
My question is: does the amount of subs needed to curb WD symptoms increase proportionally with the amount of heroin used, or could this be some psychological thing going on with me? This seems unlikely, because I use and kick with my boyfriend, who uses the exact amount of dope as I do and the exact amount of subs as I do, and he had the same experience.
I would really appreciate it if someone with a similar sized habit to mine could share their experience or give me advice on what my initial sub dose should be. It seems like 16 mg wasn't cutting it last time I tried, but this seems strange to me because I've always been able to manage with much, much smaller doses. Like I said, I want to take as little sub as needed, but I don't want to end up in another situation where I bail on the second day and go score. I also need enough energy to get the fuck out of bed.
I'm also wondering if swallowing saliva containing dissolved sub too quickly can affect the effectiveness of the pill. When I took that 8mg pill last time, I was desperate and trying to get it into my system as quickly as possible, and was swallowing my saliva as it built up under my tongue.
Sorry this post is so lengthy, and I thank anyone in advance for offering any help. I need to know how many pills to acquire for my detox, and how much to take tomorrow.
One more quick question: I have a hell of a time getting sleep while I detox. I've tried klonopin, melatonin valerican root, arnica, and alcohol to no avail. I hate smoking weed; any other suggestions?
THANK YOU + ALL THE BEST!
