its so cool jake how i remember seeing your posts eveyday how u couldnt switch to only the subs wit out the dope so that allready is a great accomplishment so even if you continue to use the subs its still a great acomplishment keep it up man
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i went to see a new doctor to get a check up and some test done. ended up getting blood drawn for 4 different things. told him about my heroin use before he used the needle and he looked at y tracks/scars on my arms and said " you used upp all the good veins huh?". but then he found a vein i never found before which was interesting.
it was so weird having a needle and seein all the blood dripping into the barrel being 5 months clean...
it was so weird having a needle and seein all the blood dripping into the barrel being 5 months clean...
jake do wut u feel will help you stay away from dope PERIOD!!!! wether it be more or less subs i know im not pro sub maintnence but i actually do hav a very close friend that was as bad as it gets wit dope n he went on subs for 3 years and is now clean n sober from evreything : )
lasthurrah19
Bluelighter
Jake, I don't post much, but I have looked forward to watching your progress. Here's my two cents on the sub issue:
I was very anti-maintenance for a long time. Then I couldn't stop relapsing. I still fought it. Eventually I got a great psychiatrist who didn't prescribe subs, but said maybe I should try maintenance. I trusted him because 1. he's a great doctor and 2. he had no personal stake ($) to me going on it. So I did. I started at 16mg, leveled at 8 for a while, and then 4. After 4mg for several months, I started taking it every other day, and then every third day. For about 2 months I took 2-4 mg every three days or when I felt even slightly sick. At that point it apparently was all psychosomatic, because I just stopped about a month ago with absolutely zero withdrawal. I wanted to go into a trauma recovery program where you couldn't be on narcotics. Absolutely no problems. I was on it for about 9 months.
YOU CAN DO THIS! Take whatever you need to not feel sick! That feeling will drive you to use. Certainly use the lowest dose possible, but you don't need to feel bad. Don't punish yourself. Stay clean from the dope, take your subs, and worry about getting off them after you've stabilized for a few months. Fuck what the doctor says if you don't trust him, and find your own way to taper. It is possible to do it painlessly. It's quantity, but also frequency. It won't be long before you can skip days and feel fine.
Just my 2 cents. You should be proud of yourself. It's hard letting go. But it's time to have a meaningful life, and you can do it. You are already on your way. Best of luck.
I was very anti-maintenance for a long time. Then I couldn't stop relapsing. I still fought it. Eventually I got a great psychiatrist who didn't prescribe subs, but said maybe I should try maintenance. I trusted him because 1. he's a great doctor and 2. he had no personal stake ($) to me going on it. So I did. I started at 16mg, leveled at 8 for a while, and then 4. After 4mg for several months, I started taking it every other day, and then every third day. For about 2 months I took 2-4 mg every three days or when I felt even slightly sick. At that point it apparently was all psychosomatic, because I just stopped about a month ago with absolutely zero withdrawal. I wanted to go into a trauma recovery program where you couldn't be on narcotics. Absolutely no problems. I was on it for about 9 months.
YOU CAN DO THIS! Take whatever you need to not feel sick! That feeling will drive you to use. Certainly use the lowest dose possible, but you don't need to feel bad. Don't punish yourself. Stay clean from the dope, take your subs, and worry about getting off them after you've stabilized for a few months. Fuck what the doctor says if you don't trust him, and find your own way to taper. It is possible to do it painlessly. It's quantity, but also frequency. It won't be long before you can skip days and feel fine.
Just my 2 cents. You should be proud of yourself. It's hard letting go. But it's time to have a meaningful life, and you can do it. You are already on your way. Best of luck.
I would say it depends Jake... I know when I first kicked dope fully I was on a high bupe dose [32mg] and I stayed on that for awhile slowly making my way down. I do think less is more with bupe for sure but in early recovery I dont know if its the smartest thing, what really is the smartest things though? It is all individualized.
For the last couple years though I was stable on .5 mgs and even if I took 8mgs it didnt matter I still felt the same way, like shit. Unmotivated, low level depression, etc. Do what you have to do to squash that urge to get a bag of dope. At least being on bupe you know using will be a waste until the 2nd day of using but than you start to realize, oh I can use dope for a few days and hop right back on bupe and I wont have any issues. It is a ugly cycle that can get to comfortable.
What dose are you taking? When do you see your doc? I take it if your honest with him he will probably want you on a higher dose but thats doctors for you. BUT than can be a positive thing because that means left overs. I had so many leftovers from seeing my doc that I could probably have filled a mason jar up. whatever though.
Your doing great, keep it up!
peace.
seedless
For the last couple years though I was stable on .5 mgs and even if I took 8mgs it didnt matter I still felt the same way, like shit. Unmotivated, low level depression, etc. Do what you have to do to squash that urge to get a bag of dope. At least being on bupe you know using will be a waste until the 2nd day of using but than you start to realize, oh I can use dope for a few days and hop right back on bupe and I wont have any issues. It is a ugly cycle that can get to comfortable.
What dose are you taking? When do you see your doc? I take it if your honest with him he will probably want you on a higher dose but thats doctors for you. BUT than can be a positive thing because that means left overs. I had so many leftovers from seeing my doc that I could probably have filled a mason jar up. whatever though.
Your doing great, keep it up!
peace.
seedless
lasthurrah19
Bluelighter
I agree 16 is unnecessary, but don't be afraid to take another 2mg at night if you feel bad. Ideally your cravings will be minimal. Also the more you take the harder it will be for you to plan relapses. Congrats on 17 days.
seducedsoul
Bluelighter
Jake just so you know.. I know how scary it is to be fearful of the sub withdrawal.
But I am pretty sure that MORE people get off subs successfully than they do heroin. =) I know there are tons of varying factors within those statements I made, but I like to think that way and it helps me tons.
Let the subs help you and give you room to help yourself.
I think what you have been doing is EXCELLENT.... you're awesome man and Thank you for sharing with us your progress and feelings. I hope it helps you to share with us as well.
Best wishes!
But I am pretty sure that MORE people get off subs successfully than they do heroin. =) I know there are tons of varying factors within those statements I made, but I like to think that way and it helps me tons.
Let the subs help you and give you room to help yourself.
I think what you have been doing is EXCELLENT.... you're awesome man and Thank you for sharing with us your progress and feelings. I hope it helps you to share with us as well.
Best wishes!
lasthurrah19
Bluelighter
Jake, I got off of them successfully, with NO withdrawal at all. It is possible. I posted how I did it in my first post in the thread:
I was very anti-maintenance for a long time. Then I couldn't stop relapsing. I still fought it. Eventually I got a great psychiatrist who didn't prescribe subs, but said maybe I should try maintenance. I trusted him because 1. he's a great doctor and 2. he had no personal stake ($) to me going on it. So I did. I started at 16mg, leveled at 8 for a while, and then 4. After 4mg for several months, I started taking it every other day, and then every third day. For about 2 months I took 2-4 mg every three days or when I felt even slightly sick. At that point it apparently was all psychosomatic, because I just stopped about a month ago with absolutely zero withdrawal. I wanted to go into a trauma recovery program where you couldn't be on narcotics. Absolutely no problems. I was on it for about 9 months.
YOU CAN DO THIS! Take whatever you need to not feel sick! That feeling will drive you to use. Certainly use the lowest dose possible, but you don't need to feel bad. Don't punish yourself. Stay clean from the dope, take your subs, and worry about getting off them after you've stabilized for a few months. Fuck what the doctor says if you don't trust him, and find your own way to taper. It is possible to do it painlessly. It's quantity, but also frequency. It won't be long before you can skip days and feel fine.
I was very anti-maintenance for a long time. Then I couldn't stop relapsing. I still fought it. Eventually I got a great psychiatrist who didn't prescribe subs, but said maybe I should try maintenance. I trusted him because 1. he's a great doctor and 2. he had no personal stake ($) to me going on it. So I did. I started at 16mg, leveled at 8 for a while, and then 4. After 4mg for several months, I started taking it every other day, and then every third day. For about 2 months I took 2-4 mg every three days or when I felt even slightly sick. At that point it apparently was all psychosomatic, because I just stopped about a month ago with absolutely zero withdrawal. I wanted to go into a trauma recovery program where you couldn't be on narcotics. Absolutely no problems. I was on it for about 9 months.
YOU CAN DO THIS! Take whatever you need to not feel sick! That feeling will drive you to use. Certainly use the lowest dose possible, but you don't need to feel bad. Don't punish yourself. Stay clean from the dope, take your subs, and worry about getting off them after you've stabilized for a few months. Fuck what the doctor says if you don't trust him, and find your own way to taper. It is possible to do it painlessly. It's quantity, but also frequency. It won't be long before you can skip days and feel fine.
rollingstoned!
Bluelighter
fuck dope!
DL-Phenylalanine, alternate days between using subs and smoking (if you smoke cigs), B and C and D vitamins, and excercise when you get the urge to use. It works better than in sounds. Pretty much when your feeling the urge just run your ass off or do something that will make you mad tired AND it will up your endorphin levels, which is what you want. Do not be afraid to smoke MASSIVE amounts of marijuana to the point that you're retarted as i've found this to help most with withdrawals of all sorts.
Psychologically, it would help if you KNEW that you could never go back to opiates (well, at least a year. Hell you got the rest of your life if you want to go back). I'm trying to think of a way to say this.....alright. You must know that you are THE one and only JAKE99 who is powerful and badass enough to take the shitty feelings and KNOW that they are only temporary. This is it. There is no turning back. No matter how bad you feel KNOW that you are doing the best, hardest thing that you will do in your life. And KNOW, that you will be better in the end. And when you think of the euphoria, just think of the euphoria of being able to control and end a demon like this. This is your chance to gain more wisdom and control in both your body and mind. This is your chance to put it all behind. I wish you the best of luck Jake99.
DL-Phenylalanine, alternate days between using subs and smoking (if you smoke cigs), B and C and D vitamins, and excercise when you get the urge to use. It works better than in sounds. Pretty much when your feeling the urge just run your ass off or do something that will make you mad tired AND it will up your endorphin levels, which is what you want. Do not be afraid to smoke MASSIVE amounts of marijuana to the point that you're retarted as i've found this to help most with withdrawals of all sorts.
Psychologically, it would help if you KNEW that you could never go back to opiates (well, at least a year. Hell you got the rest of your life if you want to go back). I'm trying to think of a way to say this.....alright. You must know that you are THE one and only JAKE99 who is powerful and badass enough to take the shitty feelings and KNOW that they are only temporary. This is it. There is no turning back. No matter how bad you feel KNOW that you are doing the best, hardest thing that you will do in your life. And KNOW, that you will be better in the end. And when you think of the euphoria, just think of the euphoria of being able to control and end a demon like this. This is your chance to gain more wisdom and control in both your body and mind. This is your chance to put it all behind. I wish you the best of luck Jake99.
thanks . Problem is i feel like Dope is only thing to help me cope with life ,but i know i cant afford a habit , and that worrying abuot getting locked up is the worse.......
If i could support a habit and not have to worry about getting lockedu p for copping dope then id prob stay getting high , but thats not realistic
If i could support a habit and not have to worry about getting lockedu p for copping dope then id prob stay getting high , but thats not realistic