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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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I was under the impression that suboxone blocked natural endorphins......can one still get the so called "runners high" while on it?
It sure made me feel numb and joyless.....

I'm struggling with numb and joylessness...it's like something's missing, I can't quite 100% feel things, and I'm not getting high either...

Kicking it sucks, I'm not up looking forward to a month of stiffness, chills, anxiety attacks and a runny nose, but I have to do it...it's just too easy to let your life just slip away on maintenance...

I've only been back on bupe for a year, so I remember what it's like to feel normal..but I think a lot of people forget what it's actually like after awhile...
 
Forget or scared just don't want to go back... Maintenance sucks but i guess if someone was like hey here's enough (insert DOC) forever i can't say i wouldn't take it n that's basically maintenance albeit much more enjoyable than 'done our bupe ha.
 
I was on methadone for 12 yrs and sub for almost 2, and I forgot what it was like to be straight. I'm not going to lie, it can feel raw and exposed at times, but I do prefer it over maintenance. Sub never agreed with me. It felt unsatisfying and speedy after yrs of methadone. I've said it before here, if I was going to be a lifer, I'd choose methadone. I still miss those mornings of dosing 140mg of meth and then falling back asleep for a couple hours and waking up painfree. Mornings can be rough now, but I like the fact I'm not physically addicted to anything. It's a freeing feeling after decades of being hooked to opiates. Sub seems to "turn" on a lot of people. There's a honeymoon period were it feels great but it slowly feels worse. People complain of feeling joyless and numb. After I got off sub I was tearing up at toilet paper ads. I'm much more motivated to do art and my passions in life (animal welfare) now. Life seems to be going by faster and I feel like I better make up for those yrs that I let it go by while on meth and sub. I still slip up once in a while. I had dental surgery and jumped at the chance to get a few scrips of lortab 10s...but after 11 days, I could let them go without any WD or drama.
Blue, your right. You have to plan on feeling like shit for three weeks to a month if you kick sub. But it's not as bad as SAO. It's long and drawn out but not as harsh. You've kicked it before? Do you struggle with using dope? (Sorry I don't know your story)
Sub has it's place..it's better than shooting dope, but it's sad to see people put on it for small habits or pain control. They are in for a shock when they try to get off it. It takes a long ass time to feel back to normal. It took me 4-5 months, but I'd been using opiates daily for over 20 yrs. I'm not going to lie...I still miss that warm hug, but being able to really FEEL trumps that. I think once your a addict it's always part of you. I'll never forget what it's like, and that's why it's a struggle at times. I just have to remember that living numb is not really living, it's more like just passing time. Now everyday feels new and sometimes scary...
If your happy on maintenance that's fine...I was for 13 yrs, but if you want off you can do it. It sucks, but it's not forever.(it just feels like it is):\ There's some meds that help...Nerontin, benzos in short supply, Imodium. The wealth of info about sub detox has really grown in the last few yrs. If you want off you can do it! I'm proof..i always thought I'd be a methadone lifer. And even if it was free and with a guaranteed supply for life, I wouldn't sign back up for slavery. I don't want a drug to tell me what to do. No more physically addictive drugs for me.:p
 
An inspiration^^
Remember waking up from using in your dreams with your heart about to beat out your chest, ya just had one, fun times.
.5 bupe up the arm, like ziggy said, n i keep telling myself, it's not dope
 
^^ well that shot was disappointing as fuck

Shooting sub was always disappointing to me. I felt a cold yucky rush with no relaxed feeling or discernible high.
Your struggling with dope? The farther you get away from it the more the memory fades...but like I said in that long post (sorry) it's always a part of you. I never believe people who claim they have zero thoughts about using after getting clean.
I would distract myself when craving hit with...sex....funny movies...walking a mile....even making a cup of tea.
Getting clean is a process. It took me three yrs to taper meth/sub and I tried jumping five times before it finally caught.
Your moving in the right direction by being on sub instead of dope....that's a big step and give yourself lots of credit.
 
Thanks, my struggle was mostly with oc 30s, tons of them, Ds, and occasional dope.then MMT for 2 years, then like 4 months bupe. l was clean, at least not dependent(chipping), let it slide too long, a couple months, and fighting dependance now which of the easy part it's the mental. That urge to just hit the switch, u know what I'm talkin bout.
 
Really??????
Are you sure?

Yes. Remember, do a equianalgesic conversion from your current bupe dose to a strong opiate and you'll see, you are currently on atleast 480mg of morphine for example.... (AKA 4800mg of codeine. 3900mg MORE than you used to dose) your body is telling you that you're on A LOT of opiates and that it is effecting you obviously...
 
I'm almost at 72 hours with nothing but weed in my system. After 5 or whatever years it feels amazing (well my mind does, my body not so much). The worst of the acute is over, its been 9 days since I took Bupe. Gunna drink like two grams of Kratom just to get a moment of relief and get some shit accomplished. I'm interested to see if it sets me back w/d wise. it might, but honestly I'm doubting it because daily use allowed me to skip a remarkable amount of the Acute w/d stage in the first place. After reading about BL users Kratom addictions I decided to take three full days off and then go back to small doses when necessary for another week or so, with days off.

Eteezy- The weird thing is I seemed to have lost that switch. Even at my worst moments the option of taking the Bupe I have does not exist to me.
 
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Whoa! You asked on an open forum. I'm just sayin, before bupe it wasn't a super heavy habit, now you have the bupe equivalent of being on 100s of mg of OC a day and out takes a much harsher toll one ones body, mind, everything.

Yes. Remember, do a equianalgesic conversion from your current bupe dose to a strong opiate and you'll see, you are currently on atleast 480mg of morphine for example.... (AKA 4800mg of codeine. 3900mg MORE than you used to dose) your body is telling you that you're on A LOT of opiates and that it is effecting you obviously...

I only take 12 mg of suboxone a day, honest. I don't have anything else. I couldn't afford to. My codeine addiction cost me my £4,,600 in savings n has put me in £5,000 of debt. I cpuldn't even if I
Wanted to.
Thank you for your response though.
 
I don't think your getting what people are saying to you....or you just don't want to hear it?
"Only" 12 mg of sub is a huge amount...it's most likely the reason you don't feel well.(The hot flashes you went to your dr for?)
Less is more with sub.
You'll feel better when you get down under 4mg. Unfortunatly most Drs don't have a clue about how to prescribe sub and over medicate people. It builds up in your system and causes you extended WDs.
 
I don't think your getting what people are saying to you....or you just don't want to hear it?
"Only" 12 mg of sub is a huge amount...it's most likely the reason you don't feel well.(The hot flashes you went to your dr for?)
Less is more with sub.
You'll feel better when you get down under 4mg. Unfortunatly most Drs don't have a clue about how to prescribe sub and over medicate people. It builds up in your system and causes you extended WDs.

Only 12mg? I was addicted to Bupe for 3 years. 12mg would last me at least 2 weeks normally. At my best I could get through 3 weeks with an 8mg strip. At my very worst (coming off a NASTY fent bender) I was using 3mg/day. Everyone is different of course, but I'm putting it in perspective. Only 12mg is a lot like someone saying "Well I only pop 3 80s a day". May be a small amount for the person, but in the scheme of things its a massive dose. Much stronger then the Cod .
 
I was on 8-12 mg suboxone for 8 years (long story).....tapered off and got to zero mg Dec. 1 2013.............It was pretty ugly...A week in bed, haunted by EXTREME depression and anxiety. Even 3 months later I still wake up craving a chalky orange pill, and my stomach gets pissed off when its not forthcoming.

That said, I do feel sub saved my life by getting me off a expensive Vicodin habit that would not stop escalating. So, Sub is by no means perfect, but it gave me back my life my life. You gotta pick your poison and go for harm reduction.
 
Ziggy, flaga, pk
Exactly what i meant
Man i still can't get over how awful i felt waking up from that dream, i was prepping a shot n my boys nephew said "what are you doing!?" Then i won't up with my heart flying, n anxiety like i thought i was gonna die, scary shit. I've woke up w that feeling before but never remembered the dream
Flaga, made it thru the nite with nothin but a few grams of red vein riua(sp?) kratom. It worked then .5 bupe iv'd this morn w a bit of maeng da kratom. On lunch now kinda sweaty n weak but staying busy with menial tasks (i detail cars) and accomplishing them feels good. The physical nature of this job helped me justify fallin off, but now it feels good to accomplish with out substances (ok minimal substances ha)
As for evey, i think i just won't part her much attention, a few pages back.she said she never felt anything but normal on her 12mg n now it's I feel awful, so eh watever.
As far as harm reduction saying 12mg is normal is anything but hr.
 
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So I have a 20yo friend who is a chronic pain patient and past heroin IV user, he is prescribed TWO 8mg Suboxone a day, along with 30mg Temazepam and 30mg Baclofen.... Plus a red card in CO. My first time doing bupe was the suboxone and a half milligram had my pupils pin points. Currently I can do a quarter pill(2mg) and get a good nod without puking(usually). I only use bupe 1-3 times a week if I'm lucky, so no real tolerance unless I buy a whole pill and use it for days in a row(and by the 3rd/4th day it's pointless... Less is more).

Anyways, he was switched to Subutex generic pills, they have a half moon on them.

My question is, why do me and a couple friends feel like the Suboxone is much stronger than the Subutex? I found myself using 6mg of Subutex yesterday chasing the good old 2mg nod from Suboxone(and I did get pretty high eventually). Also I haven't used any bupe in at least a week before trying the Subutex yesterday.

And just a quick little story, last night on top of the 6mg Subutex, I smoked crack for the first time in my life, took probably 8 hits in an hour and took shotguns(post inhaled smoke) from the people I was with. All the crack did was make me very tired and relaxed. My last hit was a big rock and that kind of had me "up" but my heart rate barely went up.... Strange... Must be the sub.

Anyways, anybody else feel like Suboxone is superior to Subutex? I've also read the naloxone can cause mood swings and other problems for people so... IDK I guess there's that added effect.

Also, 1st post!

Edit: I had 4 shots of Jager prior to crack smoking, and took 50mg hydroxyzine an hour before crack smoking. I also take .1mg clonidine a day and yesterday took an extra one because bupe.
 
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Eteezy that's ok. You really don't have to give me attention. We all talk to different people n you are right we 're here for harm reduction. I just give my experience that's all. I never realised my posts were up for scrutiny n analysis. I do feel that, in my experience , sub hasn't affected me. Others have suggested that suboxone is affecting me.
But all is good n I wish you all the best on your journey.
Evey xxxx
 
@Ziggy..thanks man..No, I started shooting heroin in 1997. I've been through just about everything you can go through that stems from that. Although, I've had a great life too, opiates have been my downfall.

I first went on Suboxone in 05, so unfortunately I know all too well.
 
Y'all that have been on n talkin w me, first of all thanks second of you've been following along I'd appreciate your insight
So i literally just shot a ~.1, do u think it will interfere with taking bupe in the morn/feel it's needed. Tues took 2mg, wed. shot a point, Thursday took 1mg, n today iv'd .5 round 830am. I'm thinking I'll try to take nothing, n i guess if i feel sick I'll try very small amount subL that way if it pW/D it's not so much that i can't shoot it away w another point.
I don't know why i did that point anyway, it's like i just got of n did out before i could think to talk myself out of it.
Just feel like a dumbass cause i feel like I'm wasting the bupe by using
Well see what kind of a set back this turns into
 
Eteezy - I really feel like the complexity of the Kratom high allows it to mask w/d better then one would expect. Like, I'll still be having physical opiate withdrawal, but the other aspects of the high make it far more tolerable. I had no energy today and had to get stuff done. Drank like 1.5 grams of some green vein (so more stimulating) and I can do shit, but the physical w/d is about where it was before.

I don't think it'll effect your AM Bupe, personally. I cant see much precipitated w/d from a .1 of H 14-16 hours ago (when AM comes).
 
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