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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Even my IV Dilaudid habit wasn't as bad tolerance-wise as the bupe dose I'm supposed to take right now...ethat's why I'll be switching back to methadone when I want to get off ORT... 12mg suboxone sublinh = 39mg dilaudid IV ...I averaged 18 a day...sucks to be on something so strong and so hard to even feel.
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Why i preferred MMT so much better, i nodded out on my maintenance dose for two years, now that's recovery ha. But the clinic is a hassle n a half specially since i refused to quit burning
 
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i disagree with what you're doing but i can see where you are coming from. and with subs for me its the mental thing to, not physical anymore, but eventually i gotta get off of it.

What's done is done, yes, but you can always taper off but it does'nt sound like you're ready to do that and i guess i can't blame you. just remember that the longer you're on it the worse it will be to come off so taper real low to make it as comfortable as possible.
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Exactly - the physical stuff was easy. The psychological was another ball game. It was like grieving the love of a loss one n the world had stopped turning. I felt kind of panicky and frightened it's so hard to explain. I'm getting counselling while on subs and now with someone else who has actually passed I'm learning more as in a daft way it's brought all that back and I'm talking to the counselling about how I'm petrified of change n loss and obsess over things as a way of stopping losing things/people. I know I've got to come off the subs eventually and that I'm kind of putting it off, I've kind of just delayed things really because I've the same feelings about coming off suboxone as I had off coming off codeine; some strange scary attachment and I would give ANYTHING not to feel this way, to just be able to give it up with no issues. None of the physical stuff bothers me in the slightest - I'd good at fighting off illnesses - the psychological stuff terrifies the life out of me.

I guess I would react angrily when people pointed out about the subs was because I knew they were right. I was being a coward and just trying to run from the inevitable.
I guess I'll stop there because I think most of this stuff should be in recovery sub-forum and I really don't want to de-rail the thread. Thanks for the responses xxxx
 
eteezy - My memory is shot to shit since cutting Bupe, so I don't recall to the day. It's at least a week, I think more like 8/9 days. I've been sober (aside from hash oil) for like 52 hours (from the minor Kratom doses I was taking). I went to UVM for undergrad, and worked my supervised year in Burlington vt as well, so I picked up lots of heady culture traits. I took a year off school between college and grad to tour The Disco Biscuits. I've always felt that everything works best when it's an active decision. I have like 7mg of Bupe stashed and tons of Kratom all around me. I force myself to deal with it's presence, so I know I can handle my life style without getting hooked again. So I think its an awesome sign you have your DOC and still prefer to keep the Bupe working right for you. Thats how I got off the good stuff, once I learned to love Bupe I never wanted to interrupt my dosing (that worked amazingly) to get fucked up.

Like I'm planning on drinking a little Kratom at some point either today or (actually defiantly) tomorrow but every moment I don't gets my brain more used to being sober, so I keep pushing it back another hour, then another. It's funny how when you turn addict logic against itself you can have some major will power. I'm using the same conviction that allowed me to ensure I had Bupe illegally every day for three years to get every possible moment sober before taking a dose to take away some of the w/d.

Evel - I would think quitting counts as general conversation about the substance, thus fitting this thread. One could argue low dose Bupe is no riskier then an SSRI or MAOI antidepressent. So if it works for both your addictive tendencies and psychological issues you a struggling with, get down to the lowest dose that works (1.5mg works for most) and chill until you feel comfortable getting off. I stayed on for years, got through some of the hardest times in my life and when something good came up I used the positive energy in my life to put the Bupe behind me. I gotta say, it saved my life in more ways then one. From an opiate addiction, and suicidal depression that caused the addiction.
 
Did anyone have weight difficulty on suboxone????
I will admit I've not been eating COMPLETELY healthy but it was not this hard to lose weight before. I now only have to see chocolate and I'm putting weight on. I'm wondering if it's the suboxone or the citalopram?
Can someone advise me here? I will do some more research on this later - mr.scag ;) - would just like to read what people's person opinions are of their experience of suboxone and weight? Thanks xxxx
 
Y'all feel like bupe numbs ur weed high?Bein back on it for the first in a while made me remember this
Flaga.
Having my DOC(and rigs) is making things hard but it does make it feel like more of an accomplishment.
I remember during a clean period i chipped (slipped) one nite of h, enough to get heroin headache, slept the whole next day and went to work the day after with nothing (except a blunt ha n ive had a rx For kpins for years that i take as needed, probably dependent, def not addicted cause ill forget to take till i notice i feel"off" but when on opies never notice that and rarely use to potentiate, don't feel em when i take em any way, but i digress(after work L, ha)

Chipped/slipped during clean time, slept next day and went to work the following day with nothing and felt like i accomplished something by using only one night and walkin it off, so to say. Weird made me feel good to be able to have control of the use (which is now fading)
 
Eteezy - I always felt weed was what made me enjoy Bupe, because it added a euphoric element. But now that I'm off it I realize that it wasn't letting me get real and truly baked. Boy did I miss it! :D

Controlling yourself around your DOC requires amazing self control, no question of that. It's just nice to have the agency of being like "I do have power over this shit, it's right here, and I don't need it". Using less is an accomplishment imo, lots of people are big on the clean or nothing wagon, but getting your brain used to less dope is always going to be good. I'm convinced from hearing you talk about it that when you decide you truly want sobriety, it's well within your reach. Truly wanting it is tough, my dedication is lacking. I just wanna kick the dependency personally.
 
Yea i wanna loose the dependency as well, but i also kno i don't really want to quit, should but don't. Finances. School. Way smarter, quicker when off, i even noticed it these days when on bupe not high but not sick.
But i still want that comfort and instant gratification at times, like now.
Feeling sickish so i kno no matter what i take It'll work but it's a matter of what i want to take. I.kno what i want tho.
I got some kratom too but just seems to work coming of low dose bupe ime, but i guess low dose anything.
Appreciate the free counseling, i know you generally get paid for this ha.
Got to get away from it controlling/consuming my every waking thought, i feel tied down by it. It'd like at the clinic, it was pink liquid methadone, called it pink hand cuffs cause was ucking tied to that place n now feel almost the same way again except worse cause at the least the clinics ALWAYS there , hurricanes and all lol, but def can't/don't want to go back there.
 
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What I get paid for is a completely different experience. I don't get to share stories or talk about myself, and I can't even say what I really think half the time. On here I stray from the clinical, simply because I've seen how often the clinical understanding of addiction falls way short. I'm just glad to have people to chat with about this, there are only a handful in my life that know I do anything other then smoke weed (I don't drink leading people to believe I prefer relative sobriety).

I know how hard it is to turn away from the quick fix, but once Bupe is built up in your system it becomes a pretty quick fix to everything as well. Kratom is really only gunna work for the jump off of a harsh taper. The taper brings your tolerance down drastically and once your bodies dying for anything it seems to take nicely to the Kratom. For me at least. Being done with a substance that has defined daily existence is hard, I'm not sure how I'm gunna pull that off either. I've been venting that energy onto here honestly.
 
Ima iv the bupe, if that's what i do, i know I'd feel that. But it's that "up" feeling thats nice for workbut i prefer to b a lil slower at night. I wish my buddy would hurry up and get those edibles in from a MMJ state, those would def help me thru this racing mind set.
If I'm honest with myself i could prolly even get to sleep without anything, but then i will have to make this decision in the morn.
Btw, the last thing i want it's bupe built up in my system, only got like 13mg at the moment, sure i could get more tho but i don't like it like that, it's a nice "up" but dulls everything. Now i just use it for quick tapers, and very sparingly, like i onlytook 3mg since Tuesday, granted i shot a point of dope yesterday. If i hold out on everything tonite i will iv just .25 in the morn. I just like to have them around for when i let shit get out of control, these strips are from an old script.
 
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Flaga121 said:
Personally lost weight on subs, decreased my appetite noticeably.
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My appetite was only poor for a week or 2. After that it was fine. On subs I can actually exercise, which is really important if you want to help your recovery and get some natural endorphin production. Clearly exercise is a good means to losing weight.
 
RTrain said:
My appetite was only poor for a week or 2. After that it was fine. On subs I can actually exercise, which is really important if you want to help your recovery and get some natural endorphin production. Clearly exercise is a good means to losing weight.
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I was under the impression that suboxone blocked natural endorphins......can one still get the so called "runners high" while on it?
It sure made me feel numb and joyless.....
 
I used to exercise a lot.
Used to do an exercise called INSANITY which is really intense consisting of plyo n stuff. I miss that but just don't seem to have the motivation anymore. I have got to some how force myself to do it. I used to have lots of energy it used to flow through me like electric n I need to get that back.
I'm gna start reducing subs April/May time n somehow I've got to do it because I can't go on like this.
Everything just seems like an effort lately even getting out of bed. I just don't know what the hell is up with me.
Evey xxxx
 
Whoa! You asked on an open forum. I'm just sayin, before bupe it wasn't a super heavy habit, now you have the bupe equivalent of being on 100s of mg of OC a day and out takes a much harsher toll one ones body, mind, everything.
 
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Flaga121 said:
...Using less is an accomplishment imo, lots of people are big on the clean or nothing wagon, but getting your brain used to less dope is always going to be good. I'm convinced from hearing you talk about it that when you decide you truly want sobriety, it's well within your reach. Truly wanting it is tough....
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Thanks man. Still haven't used anything. Think Ima tryn push thru by getting stoned now that the bupe is worn off (eyes watering, nose running, stomach bubbling, weak knees, fuck maybe i should take something. Ha) and then that .25 iv'd, will hit like BAM in the morn, ill fly thru work n then that's one more sober day.
I truly feel that on these tapers I'm feeling the withdrawal from the OCs/Ds (dope is usually a treat that's why it's so hard not to do since i got) not the bupe bc used so sparingly and at low dose, it kinds masks the wd thru the day ime
 
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