Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

[Flaga121]

Yep, I'm actually doing that with Bupe>kratom right now. I'm 100% sober at the moment (no opiates) after a week using Kratom, and I'm (at least for now) seemingly through the acute period with little discomfort. Still I had cold sweats and restlessness for three nights, anyone uncommitted would have used (it was right there too). (I abused OC>fent for a year, then 3 on Bupe).

If you think there will be NO discomfort then you won't make it. You have to expect it to be nasty and be pleasantly surprised when a well thought out combination taper works as expected. My thoughts at least. When my friends think they can "skip" w/d even the smallest discomfort kicks them back to use.

 

[eteezy915]

Thanks scag for enlightening my ass I knew it was to good to be true, oh well, maybe i should take more bupe now to avoid using n save those bags for a rainy day.
I have done quick, like 9 days 10mg bupe, Tappers with little discomfort so kinda know what to expect, albeit i didn't use anything other than bupe. And this is a small habit like 60-120mg oc a day for a month our so, granted i had 6-900mg oc habit "back in the day"
so the dope will put me back at square one pretty much?
Thanks

 

[Flaga121]

I'm not sure theres a way to know exactly how using is going to effect your taper, but I would bet it'll set things back a bit, perhaps not quite square one.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Thanks scag for enlightening my ass I knew it was to good to be true, oh well, maybe i should take more bupe now to avoid using n save those bags for a rainy day.
I have done quick, like 9 days 10mg bupe, Tappers with little discomfort so kinda know what to expect, albeit i didn't use anything other than bupe. And this is a small habit like 60-120mg oc a day for a month our so, granted i had 6-900mg oc habit "back in the day"
so the dope will put me back at square one pretty much?
Thanks

It wont put you back to square one, but it will definitely be a step backwards ya know?

Like BlueHues just said, if you taper correctly, do a short term bupe detox or something, and hop off at a dose of like .25mg's, you can make it so the withdrawals will be very bearable.

 

[PKPro]

If any of you guys ever figure out the "miracle detox" which results in you stopping and not feeling ANY negative side effects. Please share. I have been looking for this miracle since I found out I was hooked. It's like trying to find a unicorn. Hahaha

 

[BlueHues]

^I really wonder if there was something that took away all withdrawals, caused no cross dependence and you could just take until you were back to normal, if there would be a conspiracy to keep it buried forever! You'd make a fortune from it overnight though!

 

[eteezy915]

@MrScag
Yea i def getya about how it's not a step in the right way
And yea short tapers are possible with little discomfort. Came off a six month iv oc/D's n occasional sneaky shot off dope, with like 10mg of bupe in 12 days. But a good 4 mg was wasted by screwing induction up n having to do it over, also shot up an extra .5(on top of scheduled dose) a few times, which is prolly what i should've done instead of the dope. It'd be nice to break physical addiction again, we all know that's the easy party tho,, hard part, is staying away, obviously cause I'm back doin this again.

 

[Zwanya]

^I really wonder if there was something that took away all withdrawals, caused no cross dependence and you could just take until you were back to normal, if there would be a conspiracy to keep it buried forever! You'd make a fortune from it overnight though!

That's the way many doctors described suboxone! What a terrible joke. That's the fiction that gets codeine and vic dependent folks onto bupe, which in turn makes their tolerance and addiction skyrocket...

 

[RTrain]

^^

They dry out and start to crumble, the longer they sit out. A couple days probably isn't a big deal, but a few weeks and longer, etc, will mess them up. I don't know specifically how it affects the potency, but just from the condition of the strip after sitting out for a while, I'd imagine there is at least some decrease in strength and efficiency.

Oh, well I never really noticed any difference in the consistency so I think I am fine. I usually do 2 mg a day, so its only sitting out for 4 days, tops.


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Also, I got a question about the packets that Suboxone strips come in. Is anyone aware of the little scan-able thing on the back that apparently if scanned will say who the prescription belongs to? A buddy of mine showed me this little bar code like thing on the back and said that is what its for.

 

[eteezy915]

Oh man, I'm putting that one on a clipboard for my friends who still don't get why they can't quit Oxy with "a little dope" or "a week of Bupe" and avoid w/d completely. Well explained.

Yet you say your doing the same short taper that "doesn't work" two posts later. N if u went three days feeling that rough u prolly went too fast for your previous habit, fents no joke, bc I've tapered off in about ten days w bupe slivers, just enough to take edge off, n my second day with nothing i was busting my ass at the car wash i work at, flying round cars sayin to myself, this was easy, granted i think o wanted out more that tome than i do now which plays a huge role
So in short, of done properly one can taper "pain free"

 

[Flaga121]

I'm coming up on the 24 hour mark since my last glass of (short acting) Kratom (2 grams) and on day 7 coming off Bupe (1.5mg before the taper, which lasted a week and ended at .15 twice a day).

I feel better then I have in years, I slept through the night last night with no assistance.

So for me (it would seem) the trick was a solid taper ending in very low dose, a week of Kratom (3x a day, 3 grams each) and then sober. I kinda feel like I'm coming down from a single tab of acid, body is a little tweaky, but nothing I can't roll with on my 8 hour shift at the crisis center.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Oh, well I never really noticed any difference in the consistency so I think I am fine. I usually do 2 mg a day, so its only sitting out for 4 days, tops.


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Also, I got a question about the packets that Suboxone strips come in. Is anyone aware of the little scan-able thing on the back that apparently if scanned will say who the prescription belongs to? A buddy of mine showed me this little bar code like thing on the back and said that is what its for.

Yeah, one of the things they use it for is to prevent diversion.. so if the cops bust somebody with suboxone strips, they can scan it and find out exactly who it was scripted to, and you can get in a lot of trouble. But, smart people just sell the strips in a plastic baggie, or cut off the barcode. Hah. So it's whatever.

 

[eteezy915]

^^^
That's good, great actually. Referring too Flagla, Short tapers work of you want them too. Me I'm not so sure i want it bad enough but now i need too, not NEED to, but i def should. Pockets would appreciate it big time
Kratom never did shit for me till i was coming off bupe, then it was great for W/D, mainly for motivation and malaise. Good mood lift too

 

[mdmazing_]

Was clean for over 24 hours because yesterday was my birthday and also my anniversary. My boyfriend ignored me and I haven't even heard from him since Monday at 4pm. I've never been so hurt.

 

[PKPro]

PKPro Tip: if you wish to avoid getting in ALOT of trouble for diverting your subs, get a sharpy, and rigorously color over all numbers/barcodes on the back. The sharpie actually removes the ink on the back making the strip unidentifiable. This method has been tested and confirmed to work. (Had someone get caught with one of mine that I have him to help with his "shityness", which I had done this with, no problems for me.)

 

[PKPro]

That's the way many doctors described suboxone! What a terrible joke. That's the fiction that gets codeine and vic dependent folks onto bupe, which in turn makes their tolerance and addiction skyrocket...

Also, ^THIS x1000. I u Zwanya, u take the words right outta my head. Haha

Sorry for double post (I'm on my iphone)

 

[Flaga121]

Eteezy I was speaking to the idea that many think they can feel perfectly normal with an ideal taper. I have moments of normal but moments where I glimpse the hell is be in without the taper. And getting of my small bupe dose was the easy part. Getting it that low was a painful personal hell that took place before I came here.

 

[Zwanya]

You know I you too, PK!

 

[eteezy915]

Yea i getya. I was on bupe for four months after 2 years of MMT. When I came off bupe i used kratom for a week.or.so.daily, then occasionally for a mood lift afterwards.your right the jump is relatively easy but if you taper correctly (just listen to your body and you'll know when your ready to drop) it shouldn't be that bad either, i don't remember hurting during my taper but i also stayed busy with a physical job and school. (i think) you were also on sub for much longer than i was too, i dunno
As far as quick detoxes w sub, i think the taper is more noticable bc your not only tapering bupe but also detoxing from (u said fent right) the original opiate and those withdrawals "break thru" the low dose bupe.
I.hope that makes sense, plus it's just a guess. Most people tapering bupe have been on it long enough that it's the only thing they're detoxing from where with a short taper your tryn to cover WDs from fent in your case, w just enough bupe to keep from becoming dependent on it.
Basically during a quick detox w bupe as a crutch i could still feel some symptoms from original opiate as i was tryn to use little bupe as possible.
Any ways I'm 78 hours since last oc shot, ~36 hours from 2mg of bupe and ~17 hours from that damn dope shot and i feel surprisingly fine. Now if i can just hide those last few bags for a couple more days i think I'll be good, well at least not physically dependent. Best part is if i feel ill tomorrow for work i kno just a tad of bupe will hold me. I know this will work as long as i don't slip, again...

 

[Flaga121]

I actually kicked the bupe related fent at another point and then relapsed to bupe alone months later. I was then on it for theree years. My taper was harsh because I lost the connect I liked and choose not to find another so I had sixteen MG to work with. You know your shit sir. Good luck. You can do it for sure.

I'm having cold sweats at work but am not touching Mr Kratom so I'm happy.