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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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Guys I'm not as strong as I thought.. I shot up before 24 hours was up.. I didn't make it. :( I'm going to try again once this shit I got earlier is gone.. its so hard with such little support from my boyfriend and none from my family. My boyfriend also uses and says he's gonna get high if I do, but if I stop so will he. It just seems to complicate things.. I wanted us to get clean together.. :( I'm ashamed because I wanna stop and I gave in...

Don't beat yourself up about that. It happens. A lot of people fuck up multiple times before they finally do it.. so it's normal.

The situation with your boyfriend is bad. In my experience, there is no "getting clean together". One person always tempts the other one, or relapses first and then the other person follows, etc. Junky relationships never work. So, if you're actually serious about getting clean.. you might need to think about leaving. I know it's easier said than done, but it's often necessary.
 
Yeah I know its hard. We started together though so we're gonna try to end it together.. he never used before he knew me and we were together a long time before starting the shit.
 
^^

You don't get the strips in the UK?

Not sure to be honest, mr.scag. I've only even been given the tablet form so I just assumed that's all we have. But They have the strips I just don't know xxxx

Well done, CH.

I've been on suboxone 10 months now.

Mdmazing I'm afrraid mr.scag may have a point with this. You may need to separate if you really want off the stuff or consider suboxone maintenance as opposed to a fast taper so that you both can work through the underlying reasons for your addictions.

Having to separate from someone is extremely difficult n
Painful n we can't tell you to do this, of course. We can only advise you. We're here for you all the same.

Evey xxxx
 
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^That's great man! You must be feeling more "physically solid"...I always feel shaky and weird for awhile...

I've officially been back on Sub for a year!
Thanks. I think the acute withdrawal was over a month long.

I still have peripheral withdrawal symptoms like yawning, eyes tear up, goose bumps, stomach on "fast" mode. I still have real intense REM sleep but it doesn't seem to be affecting me as heavily. The nightmares were really bad for a while. Oh and I always have a high heart rate (abnormally high for my build).

I think all my mental problems account for my panic attacks so I am accepting it as it comes.

Honestly I am really happy. I wasn't happy for so long and after I got happy again it was like I knew I would get my life back and after that point (9ish months ago) I knew I could get my shit together and mentally and physically withdrawal from bupe.

I would go more into this but it's boring and more suited for Trip Reports. I just wanted to let you all know that we are all a lot stronger than we give ourselves credit for and to keep doing well for yourselves.
 
Thanks. I think the acute withdrawal was over a month long.

I still have peripheral withdrawal symptoms like yawning, eyes tear up, goose bumps, stomach on "fast" mode. I still have real intense REM sleep but it doesn't seem to be affecting me as heavily. The nightmares were really bad for a while. Oh and I always have a high heart rate (abnormally high for my build).

I think all my mental problems account for my panic attacks so I am accepting it as it comes.

Honestly I am really happy. I wasn't happy for so long and after I got happy again it was like I knew I would get my life back and after that point (9ish months ago) I knew I could get my shit together and mentally and physically withdrawal from bupe.

I would go more into this but it's boring and more suited for Trip Reports. I just wanted to let you all know that we are all a lot stronger than we give ourselves credit for and to keep doing well for yourselves.

I use to always have an abnormally high heart rate, this was a problem prior to my opiate addiction. Even when I was not overweight and exercised regularly. I will run normally in the upper 80s and low 90s for beats/minute. So when I would smoke weed it would routinely get into the 100-120 range which was always good for some anxiety. If I did some cocaine it would usually put me into the 120-130 range. I ended up having a severe anxiety attack one New Year's Day when I was very hungover and smoked a couple hits of weed. It was so bad I felt off for weeks. Aside from chalking it all up to anxiety, the only thing I could think might've happened is an inner ear infection or vestibular malfunction (look it up if you care to know about it). The symptoms of it were very similar to my situation and the onset of it can result in panic attacks very often.

So anyway, I ended up going to legit primary care physician for the first time in about 8 or so years because of this. They put me on a beta blocker which they Rx'd for hypertension, but it really does more for my baseline, borderline tachycardia. Now I run in the 60s, and once I began to exercise regularly and got in better shape I was running in the 50s at rest. I really think beta blockers are better for the heart rate issue and palpitations if you get them. So I would honestly consider asking for a small Rx of one if the high heart rate is enough to bother you on a regular occasion. It really helped reduce my anxiety. I take one called nebivolol, its relatively new and gives me very few (really no) side effects. I literally only take 1/2 the normal starting adult dose and it drop my heart rate from 80-90 to 60-70, plus it really helps limit palpitations induced by anxiety. The full dose was really too much for me, I cut it back myself and the dr was fine with it. Because the full dose had my rate dropping below 50 at times, which is no bueno, plus I was getting a bit dizzy from it.

I know when I begin to withdraw off my Suboxone, one of the first things I notice is the elevated heart rate. And considering I take the beta blocker I know it would be thumping away if I didn't take the B blocker. It seem the elevated heart rate from Suboxone w/d is more pronounced than from the full agonists I have w/d from, I can't figure why that would be, though.

It even sounds like some of those other symptoms like the goose bumps and stomach issues could be helped with a non-selective beta blocker, like propanolol. But those bring a lot of potential side effects into the equation. Not to mention any B blocker has rebound effects when/if you stop it.

Just thought maybe you'd be interested in my story there. I think in your situation anything that is a low risk medication and could have positive effects on how you feel is something to consider. It does kind of suck because, even though it has no recreational value whatsoever, it is another pill you are basically chained to taking every day. But regardless, best of luck with keeping the wheels in motion. I hope I can get to that point one day and be free of the bupe. Unfortunately at this point in my life I have too much going on to put my focus on it, but in a 6 months to a year my life will hopefully be stabler and I can strive towards that.

edit: heh, that was a real long post just to make the point that a beta blocker can lower your heart rate, which is probably common knowledge anyway...but the 1 I am on really works great for it, I've been very happy with it.
 
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They actually have more doses than that. They have 4mg strips which are actually 2x the length of the 8s for some reason. I think they have 12mg strips too but I'm not sure of the size of them.

The 12s are pretty big and they're square, not like a rectangle like the 8s. Very easy to divide. Probaly the easiest actually.
 
4 days off bupe, finally having breakthrough withdrawal on my low Kratom doses. I'm planning on suffering through them during the day and taking a stronger dose at night to sleep.
 
I'm definitely starting to experience WDs myself and I'm also about 4 days since my last dose. I have no intention on stopping, but I was really dumb with my script this month and not by taking more than I needed.
 
It's amazing how clueless some medical professionals are about Suboxone. I had an addictionologist tell me that the withdrawal shouldn't be longer than a few days. You freaking kidding me?
 
It's amazing how clueless some medical professionals are about Suboxone. I had an addictionologist tell me that the withdrawal shouldn't be longer than a few days. You freaking kidding me?

It's always been very sad/funny to me that the people I work with who have script pads understand the effects of the drugs they prescribe far less then those of us who deal with the mess they leave behind (that is the shrinks with no MD).
 
^The last doctor I was seeing who was prescribing me Suboxone knew so little, I would be surprised if she knew the medication was administered sublingually. Granted she worked under another doctor who had been Rx'ing Sub for years and she was new to his practice, but I mean come on. I purposely asked her some stupid question I clearly knew the answer to, because I was trying to play it off that I might've not been holding it in my mouth long enough, to justify possibly having low levels on my UAs(b/c I was taking 2 mg/day, but prescribed 8, I just wanted to stock up because I pretty much knew I would relapse during that stint on Subs). So I basically asked her "how long am I suppose to keep it in my mouth? Because I only do it until the pill dissolves, so about 2 to 3 minutes". Her answer was basically "I don't know", and she said she would need to ask the dr who ran the practice. I mean...."c'mon man"....this is like Sub 101 shit, probably should know about it before you are responsible for telling people how to properly use the medication.

It's always been very sad/funny to me that the people I work with who have script pads understand the effects of the drugs they prescribe far less then those of us who deal with the mess they leave behind (that is the shrinks with no MD).

Honestly its more sad than funny. I would say he contrary if I was just thinking about myself, but unfortunately there are many people who trust the doctors, will follow their directions to a T, and will not take the time to make sure a doctor is not leading them down a disadvantageous path. We might take for granted our scrutiny of the dr's prescribing Sub, because I think the vast majority of people have too much trust in these doctors. They just throw the doctor $200 a month, fill their script of 8/2 mg Subs which has printed on it "place 2 tablets under tongue every morning and let dissolve". All while the doctor sells them a line of how they are saving their lives from their 90 mg a day oxyvodone habit.
 
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It's amazing how clueless some medical professionals are about Suboxone. I had an addictionologist tell me that the withdrawal shouldn't be longer than a few days. You freaking kidding me?


Yeah that really is sick. People trust that their doctors and these specialists know what they are talking about, and make massive life changing decisions based on the information they give them. So, it's really fucked up to know that these professionals really don't know shit about what they are giving these people. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to over the years that I helped out of horrible situations, their doctor, put them in.

That's why sites like BL are so great and needed. People need to do the research themselves.. they are the ones that have to live with the consequences, not some doctor who barely even remembers your name. So get informed people. This is your life.
 
my friend just made the change to Zubsolv and has nothing but good things to say thus far. then again, he could be the type who thinks NEW drug NEW results, but it's really not. I am having him swing by this week and trade some regular bupe for a few Zubsolv just to test then out. been dabbling back and forth between the dope and bupe game over the last month+, but still need as much bupe as I can get, esp. if it's one I only tried once or twice thus far. so I'll give it another shot.

has anyone made the change and actually felt a completely different change? good? bad? same? please do tell!
 
The three Bupe doctors I work/have worked with were all in it for the money. A good percent who actually want to help take a path that doesn't take em through medical school. The medical model of psychology does not care about doctor-client relationship in any meaningful way.

I've actually never had Bupe prescribed, I purchased it through a friend who did. I couldn't work with most clients if I had been on Bupe officially. And I would have gotten fired for sure. Let go for a random reason. I speak from dealing with absolutely clueless MDs in the medical health world all the time. lets just say the psychology side of medicine does not always attract the best and brightest.
 
The situation with your boyfriend is bad. In my experience, there is no "getting clean together". One person always tempts the other one, or relapses first and then the other person follows, etc. Junky relationships never work. So, if you're actually serious about getting clean.. you might need to think about leaving. I know it's easier said than done, but it's often necessary.

I agree. It only takes one of you to have a moment of weakness for it to drag you both down into a relapse. You could be all gung-ho about staying clean but if one of you decides to get high then it will be very hard for you to resist, especially if you are experiencing withdrawal symptoms at the time. Would you really pass up on a shot of dope if you are sick and it's right there in front of you for the taking? You really need to separate yourself from the situation.

Honestly its more sad than funny. I would say he contrary if I was just thinking about myself, but unfortunately there are many people who trust the doctors, will follow their directions to a T, and will not take the time to make sure a doctor is not leading them down a disadvantageous path. We might take for granted our scrutiny of the dr's prescribing Sub, because I think the vast majority of people have too much trust in these doctors. They just throw the doctor $200 a month, fill their script of 8/2 mg Subs which has printed on it "place 2 tablets under tongue every morning and let dissolve". All while the doctor sells them a line of how they are saving their lives from their 90 mg a day oxyvodone habit.

I agree that a lot of people end up with way worse addictions from suboxone (well at least facing way worse withdrawals) since it's very potent and often times people are prescribed a dose of suboxone that is many times greater in potency than the original opiate/opioid they were abusing. This is particularly true with a lot of the prescription pain killer addicts of this generation, and without doing the proper research they often end up on an unnecessarily high dosage of suboxone that they will end up regretting getting on.
 
40 hours till I can get my refill and some sweet relief. This is not a mistake I will make again. Hopefully I can make something work out tomorrow, but this is not going to be a fun night.
 
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