Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[caseface99]

^ would have sucked to get a lung full of kratom! lol..

i donno how much you inhaled but im glad no harm came from it.. that shit happened to me while eating chips and yelling at a family member, when i breathed in the crumbs went in my windpipe.. shit hurt.

Luckily i didn't inhale 'wet' kratom, just a bit of the dry powder and i don't think it was very much. Thanks for the concern though.

true is that. it's amazing how much agony you can put up with when you just don't have a choice in the matter.

in other news, just downed my kratom 5 min ago. we'll see

Amazing indeed, reminds me of this guy who was hiking and got his arm pinned by a huge rock that shifted, ended up having to cut it off with a small pocket knife and hike out of there.

well well. it's been about 30 minutes and i feel good! i took 7grams maeng da with water. i feel kind of buzzed actually, like a hydrocodone buzz. def holds me better than subs. i'm stoked!

Nice, so your jumping off suboxone as well? I'm a couple hours from my fourth day since dosing being over and i still feel a bit better then .5mgs of sub could do for me, off of slightly less then what you took. From what i have been told it stops getting worse at day 4 so I've reach the hump. It's a long gradual decline on the other side though so I'm hardly done yet.

 

[catbird]

case - yeah i'm jumping off too. i normally do 1-2 mg a day, but i have only been on them for three weeks, and i hear it is easier to get off them when you haven't taken them too long, regardless of the size of your previous habit. i took 1 mg total yesterday, then 1/4th mg this morning, then went to the kratom. so who knows what will happen in a few days? i think i'll be okay though because 7g kratom has me feeling much better than 1mg of sub ever did. subs never gave me any kind of buzz, but this stuff kind of feels like 20-30 mg of hydro. nice!

 

[caseface99]

Yeah, i was on suboxone for a year and 7 months and heroin 9 months previous, and 6 grams of kratom twice a day holds me over almost entirely with little to no noticeable withdrawal, so you should definitely be fine.

 

[Been&Done]

I want.... i want!!!

Good luck peeps. I'm trying to get some Xanax online and keep them for that final tapering.

With those 10 Suboxone i had no choice but to buy, it made me think of why did they do this Naloxone trick?
Did they think it will be effective in not abusing them? Or did they know exactly, but decided to explain it that way? I mean you're making a new world-changing-drug, do you still have to lie about what the ingredients do? And people discovered this by themselves?
A little weird, now that i'm really really thinking about it!

 

[OEandricearoni]

I think the reason why they said the naloxone works is because they didn't want suboxone to be treated like methadone. If doctors can prescribe it they make a lot more money than if people were required to go to a clinic everyday to get a dose. They did it for money!

 

[caseface99]

^^ Because it was an effective way to make a new version of subutex, market it better, and make more money. They clearly don't give a flying fuck, because as far as i know most doctors still think it's more abuse resistant than subutex, which we all know isn't remotely true.

 

[Been&Done]

So Suboxone is prescribed more than Subutex in the US based on a lie? What about Europe, is this lie still around?

On a completely different note, i want to express my happiness and my "proud" feeling for quitting Heroine after 10 years! It was too much and all the ones i know who stayed that long are gone on a one way ticket. Of course i had to relocate and take Subutex for 3 months, not easy but totally doable. For those of you who were addicted to opiates for a year or 2 or even 15, it IS possible. What made me ramble about this is simply the feeling of hunger that i'm feeling right now, and that i'v been feeling lately. Of course you can almost all imagine being an addict for 10 years, and how was that affecting my eating habit and my life in general. I strongly believe, that my "happiness" was only triggered by a few things those past years: My dealer answering my call and saying she's waiting for me, scoring, taking my lines (2 freakin gms/day) and getting more money to score again. I think this is how sad it was.
Having said that, i have to say that since i relocated and been taking my Subutex, i'm enjoying life and what it has to offer for the 1st time in ages. I'm even enjoying meals, movies, walking my dog, just the simple, normal things that my brain decided to forget about during those addiction years. As i have mentioned before, my next move is to taper down my Subutex and take some Kratom and some Xanax to aid my sleep (I haven't researched this mix yet, but assume it will be ok)
Keep it up people, life is beautiful, one just has to be receptive

Rolling a beautiful J and going down to buy the strip loin i'm cooking tonight..... miam miam

 

[OEandricearoni]

^^ Because it was an effective way to make a new version of subutex, market it better, and make more money. They clearly don't give a flying fuck, because as far as i know most doctors still think it's more abuse resistant than subutex, which we all know isn't remotely true.

ah yeah i forgot about subutex. Suboxone is really a pointless drug. The whole naloxone thing is clearly a marketing ploy as you stated.

 

[caseface99]

I wouldn't be surprised if they had thought of suboxone before they even released subutex, and had the entire thing planned out completely. I seriously would not be surprised. I bet they even knew the naloxone would be benign mixed with buprenorphine back when they created this ploy. Fuckin' big pharma.

 

[Been&Done]

^^^^ That was my point! Did they know? I mean if you're gonna flood the market with a new wonder drug, i'm sure they did so much research first, and that would just prove it all!!
Crazy...the amount of money involved based on lies!!

 

[jamesBrown]

ah yeah i forgot about subutex. Suboxone is really a pointless drug. The whole naloxone thing is clearly a marketing ploy as you stated.

i wouldnt say that suboxone is a pointless drug. maybe it might seem pointless to those very few people(us) who realize that naloxone does nothing etc, etc,....but for the thousands of doctors it has fooled and the even more patients it has fooled, it is NOT a pointless drug. For them(the people who are still fooled by the lies that the drug company spent so so much money spreading) it is a "wonder" drug that has changed there lives completely for the better.....all because of the naloxone.
If you think about it, is that REALLY that bad?

 

[caseface99]

Then again, clearly there ISNT a of research done on pharmaceuticals. Do a good search for recalled prescription drugs that had huge health consequences. There's a ton of them...

And james, it is that bad, because their intentions obviously were not to "fool" everyone into getting clean in order to make the world a better place, joy happiness, blahblhablah, etc. It was for the money.

 

[jamesBrown]

Then again, clearly there ISNT a of research done on pharmaceuticals. Do a good search for recalled prescription drugs that had huge health consequences. There's a ton of them...

And james, it is that bad, because their intentions obviously were not to "fool" everyone into getting clean in order to make the world a better place, joy happiness, blahblhablah, etc. It was for the money.

oh, of course there intentions were for the money....but just because intentions were bad, doesnt mean that good couldnt have come from it.

 

[Been&Done]

Of course, but it seems to me as a big joke. Like picturing the CEO of the Reckitt company saying to a few of his aides :"Ok, so we'll say the naloxone prevents abuse and all the docs will believe us, and that's it"

 

[Pegasus]

Case, I would just really small parachutes that are like pill-sized if you don't have gel caps. Put the parachute at the back of your tongue to make it go straight down once you take a sip of something. This is what works best for me.

 

[caseface99]

Dosed some more kratom, using a spoon again unfortunately since forWhoeverDoesn'tKnow i ran out of gel caps and can't get anymore till tomorrow. I also just realized im going climbing with some people tomorrow early before my girlfriend gets her car back from the shop, and these aren't people i want to ask to stop at the store to by gel caps with. Would rather not explain why/fill and dose the caps in the car with them...

On a slightly better note we're going to the second tallest indoor rock wall in north america(105 feet) so that should be cool regardless. Def gonna take pics. I just hope i don't end up needing to take suboxone.. When i spoon dosed more kratom just now i nearly botched it every time again. I have like automatic anxiety related to doing it now which im afraid will screw me up. Probably anxiety brought on by the withdrawal since i have been anxiety free for the last 3 months that i have been sober. fml.

IF i do end up taking like .2mg suboxone tomorrow, my 5th day of withdrawal, how big of a set back will this be? If i am unable to dose enough kratom its my only option because these aren't people i want to explain why im withdrawing to. They know im in illinois because i "used to party to much and wanted to stop screwing up" but i didn't go into most of the detail they just think its like pot and drinking. sorry for rambling, basically just how much of a set back would it be to take .2 maybe .3 at the most suboxone on my 5th day of w/d? Would it be like starting over?


Pegasus i have horrible experiences with parchuting, the toilet paper always sticks to my throat and i choked on one once, i could try again but fuck.. pill sized...? gotta do like 15-18 of them depending on how big? No way...

 

[Pegasus]

^Not that small, break it up into like 7-8... If you put it at the back of your tongue it will go right down. Be sure not to swig the water in your mouth.

It's your decision, but it is not that difficult once they are a little smaller and you put them at the back of your tongue... I think you can do it!

Taking bupe then will definitely put you back in your withdrawal because the half-life is so long. It probably won't help that much either because all of the bupe built up in your system is now out and one dose will not really satisfy you (IME).

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you've gone without buprenorphine for some time, I wouldn't take 0.2 or 0.3mg, I would take less. I already take less and I've been on it for a while.

 

[caseface99]

I'll go give it a go right now, i only managed to get maybe 3-4 grams by openly spooning it into a mouthful of water and trying to swallow quickly before i stopped. So im feeling a bit sub par right now. if i wanna wake up at 8 to go climbing i gotta get to sleep asap since its 1230 already which isn't happening if im feeling like shit. I'll report back if i manage it.

As always, thanks for the tips Pegasus.

And thanks CH, it's been a full 99.5 hours since i last took suboxone, you think .1, or maybe even .05 would really make that big of a dent in how i feel? Assuming it came to this, which i will do everything to avoid. (and we're talking about taking it 8 hours from now if that makes a difference so like 4 1/2 days totalish.)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'll go give it a go right now, i only managed to get maybe 3-4 grams by openly spooning it into a mouthful of water and trying to swallow quickly before i stopped. So im feeling a bit sub par right now. if i wanna wake up at 8 to go climbing i gotta get to sleep asap since its 1230 already which isn't happening if im feeling like shit. I'll report back if i manage it.

As always, thanks for the tips Pegasus.

And thanks CH, it's been a full 99.5 hours since i last took suboxone, you think .1, or maybe even .05 would really make that big of a dent in how i feel? Assuming it came to this, which i will do everything to avoid. (and we're talking about taking it 8 hours from now if that makes a difference so like 4 1/2 days totalish.)

It should, I use 0.026 to 0.04 mg at the most and it makes a pretty good improvement on the way I feel. %)

Seeing as you've gone 99.5 hours, yes, it should be a really good improvement. That's my guess, though there's only really one way to find out.