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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Yes buprenorphine has a ceiling limit...... Less is more with buprenorphine. You took 32mg? What did you hope to accomplish?

Buprenorphine is exponentially more potent than codeine.
 
well thanks alot i just read the whole thread for nothing. I know bupe has a ceiling dose. it says on wikipedia 32mg. A ceiling dose doesnt mean it has a dose curb does it?.
Is there a dose curb to bupe as in; Does the effect increase slower as the dose gets higher???
that is my question.
I took 32mg to try to get some kind of feeling for bupe.
less is more?
if less is more than why do they start u off at a higher dose?
I get a better high from codeine than i did from 32mg of bupe.

i dont know whats going on. i looked up pics of bupe on the internet. i think they're old bupe tablets. my oxy addict friend says they are bupe. i dont know.

they taste bitter & take about 15 mins to dissolve under ya tongue that's all i can put it as. they are really bitter & if u accidental swallow some it doesnt taste real nice

maybe what i have isnt bupe... i dont know why my friend would lie. he gave me a few of them a while ago. it came up in conversation. & im like "what u have bupe? can i try a few" so he gave me a few & said wait a few days because u might get participated w/d from the oxy.
he could be lying i dont know him that well
I believe u though im sure u have no reason to lie. i dont know why i didnt get a high from taking bupe. I do from taking codeine, Can someone explain this?
I think i know what it might be. he told me 8mg. i bet ya they're 2mg.
I think i feel "something" from this 8mg. but not really...... im disapointed
 
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After a year of spending a third of my monthly income on Suboxone assisted rehabilitation I've decided it's time to man up and try to live a life free of opiates/oids. Ive been on approximately 8mgs intranasally for 10 out of the last 12 months. I attempted this once before last October, I jumped off at 4mgs and as horrible as it was I stayed clean for about a month when an old "friend" basically gave me a hand full of roxicontin. I had to pay the $300 fee to get back in the program. I dont want to this to happen again so Im planning to taper to a sub mg dose and was wondering how long I should stay on each dose.
My plan is to do 10 days on 8mgs, 20 days on 6mg, 40 days on 4mgs, 20 days on 3mgs, 40 days on 2mg, 32 days on 1mg, 32 days on .5 and probably a week or 2 on .25. I know seems like long term taper, I just want to make sure I as I want this to be the last time. Is it wise to drag it out like this or should I cut it down a bit? Id love to hear from those who have managed to stay clean after bmt.
 
that's way too long youre just going to get hooked on the sub mate!

id say a week MAX. all you would need is 4mg one day, then drop 0.5 or 1mg a day. if youre going from a quick full agonist to bupe, make the bupe QUICK. otherwise youll have months and months of wd/paws!
 
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The withdrawals from Subs completely annihilate any other opiate out on the market if you are on it too long. I've been triaging reports from erowid, and I've read a couple reports of people staying on it for one month, coming off of it, and not having any withdrawals whatsoever. In one report, the doctor of the guy who wrote it stated that anyone who has been on it for 2-3 years will have bad PAWS no matter how low they taper. The only thing he could do was give them extra medication to help them deal with the PAWS. This doctor was fired from his first practice because he refused to keep patients on suboxone more than a month, thus they were losing business. That's what most doctors do. They start you on an insanely high dose of bupe, and keep you on it for many many years thus when you want to get off of it, you have to go through withdrawals, and then deal with the months long PAWS. The reason they do that is to keep making money. That is more doctor visits you have to pay for to get another prescription. I wish I would have known all of this beforehand. I stayed on suboxone for 4 years not even knowing what I was in for.

I'm telling you now, don't stay on suboxone too long. As soon as you get on it, start your taper. Try to come off of it within a month. If people in those reports on erowid are saying the same thing, I believe them.
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Have you ever experienced long term methadone withdrawals?

Makes bupe seem like a walk in the park.
 
Ive been hooked on the sub for a year already, Ive been on 24mg under the tounge or 8mgs up the nose daily, so either way Im in for some serious PAWS. Last time I tryed to taper that quick the intense physical w/d caused me to relapse.
 
You realize that codeine produces no additional effects above 400mg in a dose?

And no, they can't just give out ER hydrocodone as there is no such thing, yet. They're working on it though.

Hydrocontin would be cool though...

As for heroin maintenance for addicts, yes it works but this is in a clinical setting like MMT. I guarantee you it is not as easy for an addict to quit on their own with a full agonist, when you are in charge of your dose.
 
^^well isnt the ceiling dose of codeine controversial?
it stops converting to morphine but maybe not the c6g which is another active analgesic?
I just took time writing a huge pot about ideas of getting off opiates & meth & only the first line got posted. wtf?
i'll edit this post & write it again 8(
firstly Is there a dose curb to bupe as in; Does the effect increase slower as the dose gets higher???

i hear ppl here saying bupe & methadone are just as hard to get off as they oxy & h they were addicted too.
i once read a study saying heroin addicted got off it easier when they did a trial & prescribed heroin & tapered it.
im thinking about they could give out hydrocodone to be taken a few times a day. slow release morphine or even tramadol. hydrcontin would be great yeah. I think they want to give out stuff that gets rid of w/d but doesnt let ya get high. it still has the same w/d. a waste of w/d because u could be ya missing out on the good side of taking opiates. the relaxation & well-being off being effected.

I dunno to much about true opiate addiction. ive only tried h a few times & my mate whos an addict says it was good but i didnt get much out of it. i occasionally. I tried oxy & its ok but its not worth its money. I had a sip of methadone but i threw up but it tasted STRONG. id had 160mg of oxy though. I also took tramadol for 4.5 months which was a great antidepressant. I think what im on now is subutex but probably only 2mg cuz they look like the pics off google. oval shaped & they taste bitter like an opiate
maybe opiates dont work that well with me cuz i can handle alot of downers. i take seroquel to go to sleep & took 200mg of valium the other day which only gave me a good feeling for 10 mins
I think codeine is actually worth its money. u buy it cheap & it doesnt last long but during its peak which only lasts 5 mins to me it feels as good as atleast 40mg if not more of oxy

i bought some kids some cigarettes, they were 17 & i felt guilty about doing it but they gave me some of there "add tablets" anyways i dont know if they were adderall or dexadrine but they got me pretty buzzed.. they give this shit to kids so I think they should give it out to the ppl who use meth every day but cant quit. it would get them out of the "meth scene" save them money, reduce crime. the money would go to the government & not the dealers.

they should have shooting galleries in australia too. research says it reduces crime dont know why. but its safer because they give ya all the right equipment. have nurses to show ya how to do it right & have ppl there in case ya OD.
 
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It may be up for debate, but do you really get any more desired effects from higher dosing? I would imagine that would be the itchiest most uncomfortable feeling in the world. I would need IV antihistamines haha.
 
I'm surprised toothpastedog hasn't tried to tell you to stay on suboxone your whole life. Where is TPD anyways?
 
tricomb said:
It may be up for debate, but do you really get any more desired effects from higher dosing? I would imagine that would be the itchiest most uncomfortable feeling in the world. I would need IV antihistamines haha.
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are u talking about my codeine dosing lol?
yeah, u'r right. I gave just a little sip of a cwe to swim to try out & he couldnt stop itching & his whole neck turned red. But nah i dont itch to much from 800mg of codeine. im used to it. i have really bad allergies. Ive got promethazine on hand anyway which I use for sleeping when I dont have seroquel which is an antihistamine. im not sure if it is a potentiator or not. i know dph is for morphine & oxy but arnt ppl unsure if these AHs potentiate codeine anyway?

btw about the shooting galleries they would be good for another reason. they give rigs but not micron filters in australia. my mate shoots oxy & uses cotton. he even cooks it up first I told him about nemoconiosis or whatever its called i dont know the spelling but he didnt listen. his not a BLer & is set in his ways. im gunna have to print out the thread about why u shouldnt shoot oxys & if he must do so than dont cook it up. he says it helps the oxy dissolve but oxy is water soluible anyway. oh well i can only advise him
 
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^^what about promethazine?
I made a thread somewhere asking what ppl think the best sleeping aid is promethazine, doxylamine or dph?
what do u think?
& which do u think is the best potentiator. that reminds me. i might go check on that thread. i'll edit this one & add the link soon
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/621096-Rate-Promethazine-Doxylamine-or-Diphenhydramine-amp-why
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Promethazine is good, but you don't want to get into the habit of taking that everyday. My doctor told me it can give a condition that makes you shake all the time.
 
I have a 5 day supply of subs that a friend gave me..I dont plan on being for any longer than I have to. I do plan on getting on H again, but I just need a break..and possibly a chance to get my habit under control..or.. i might just end up quitting completely..I dont know yet. Either way these subs are giving me a window of oppurtunity that I need.

I hope what I have gone threw is worth it
Day 1
I was feeling a bit sore, restless, and had severe cravings, I took the sub, went threw minor PWD's. That lasted 15 minutes, and then i felt super!

Day 2 Felt sick to my stomach all day, weak,dizzy, and very sleepy. The 2mg per 4 hours I was taking held the stomach churning at bay..but i never felt 100 percent, in fact there were times yesterday that I felt like i was going to die, If anything the subs just killed the cravings.. I had to deal with the rest of the stuff

Day 3 earlier this morning, I felt like i was dying, my eyes were very dilated, my heart was racing, and my chest sorted hurt. I was having a full fleged anxiety attack, I took a 1 mg strip of sub, smoked, and fell asleep like a baby. I woke up after about 4 hours I woke up..feeling..alright..I feel like I have a slight fever, i dont feel like i can eat, but over all i feel about 70 percent.

Since I am stll feeling the W/d's I figure I am not doing enough bupe to get hooked or even w/d once I stop after 5 days..but then again ive never used bupe before..if I take some hydrocodone at the end of my mini detox...will that help?
 
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I have a 5 day supply of subs that a friend gave me..I dont plan on being for any longer than I have to. I do plan on getting on H again, but I just need a break..and possibly a chance to get my habit under control..or.. i might just end up quitting completely..I dont know yet. Either way these subs are giving me a window of oppurtunity that I need.

I hope what I have gone threw is worth it
Day 1
I was feeling a bit sore, restless, and had severe cravings, I took the sub, went threw minor PWD's. That lasted 15 minutes, and then i felt super!

Day 2 Felt sick to my stomach all day, weak,dizzy, and very sleepy. The 2mg per 4 hours I was taking held the stomach churning at bay..but i never felt 100 percent, in fact there were times yesterday that I felt like i was going to die, If anything the subs just killed the cravings.. I had to deal with the rest of the stuff

Day 3 earlier this morning, I felt like i was dying, my eyes were very dilated, my heart was racing, and my chest sorted hurt. I was having a full fleged anxiety attack, I took a 1 mg strip of sub, smoked, and fell asleep like a baby. I woke up after about 4 hours I woke up..feeling..alright..I feel like I have a slight fever, i dont feel like i can eat, but over all i feel about 70 percent.

Since I am stll feeling the W/d's I figure I am not doing enough bupe to get hooked or even w/d once I stop after 5 days..but then again ive never used bupe before..if I take some hydrocodone at the end of my mini detox...will that help?
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but unless you see a sub doctor and slowly taper of bupe .... even if you did that there will still be some sort of psychological or physical withdrawal probably both. Snce you hooked on heroin you will be hooked on bupe or any other variation of an opioid or opiate that you switch over to... your receptors don't know the difference between heroin and vicodin they will both still put you through a withdrawal period.... you could take the hydro but I don't really see the point if your committed to this you gotta be a man and bite the bullet wait out the recovery and withdrawal process your body is goin to out you through think of it merely as a side efect to touching any opiates opiates and withdrawal go hand in hand my friend. Oh but if they didn't... what a perfect opiate glowing world it would be :P
 
I have been off bupe for 10 days now and so far its been basically painless. I had been on bupe for 4 years and during that time tapered from 16mg daily down to 0.1mg. I had some leg cramps for the first few days and sleep has not been great but overall there were no serious WD's. After reading some of the opinions in this thread about how its impossible, or that you will be in hell for months I just wanted to share a success story. If you taper slowly and get down to a very low does its very doable to stop and continue a normal life.
 
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