Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[schwiftee]

if your were given 50mg of naltrexone one time after being off it for quite awhile.
will taking suboxone have it's usual effect (normal dose of subfor the person)? and if so, how long would one want to wait?

 

[K88ABY]

When you all have gotten off of dope, oxy, opana etc. and waited the 24 hrs and got onto suboxone.
About how long did it take you to start feeling better?
Like I get sick, take my sub and sleep for some hours, wake up in half-withdrawl kinda n ride it out for 2-3 days before I start to feel "normal" again...
How long does it take you to start to feel ok again?

And if you were on daily sub, then relapsed for however long you did (please specify if this applies) then got back on subs, was the transition period as intense? Any shorter or longer?

Iv gotten on subs about 3 times this month and used like 2 days after each time :/
Tommorow il hit the 24 hour mark and get back on I just HATE having this transition period :/ scares the shit outta me. It even keeps me using 90% of the time because I dont want to have to sit in withdrawl and feel likee shit for 3 days to get back on suboxone :/

P.s. U guys have any advice for me to help any with the switch? Would be great!
Thanks!! Lites.

When I had a relatively small H habit, I could switch to subs a piece of piss.. but then once I started IVing H I had huge problems. I could never wait 24 hours though, I also snorted mine, that taste is just putrid. I've never suffered the 2-3 day thing like you seem to do, but thats pure impatience. I tried to get onto subs a few times whilst with a huge habit, but I always ended up scoring because they just didn't seem to work. So instead I just got my H habit right down and switched after that. The first day was the worst, but I just kept doing little bits until the shit did something. If you feel pretty rank for 2-3 days, surely you can ride it out totally no? Mind you I am not qualified to criticise, I'm a complete wimp and even the thought of a rattle makes me want to cry. So, anything to avoid it hey... Still, at the moment I am on just 1mg of subutex almost daily but I never go a week without any gear. I do my sub (IV) when I wake up, then I 9 times out of 10 end up with a bag in the evening... although I won't ever let my habit increase so that I stop taking the subs altogether again. I used to feel safe while I had them there but was very naive to the fact that if you have a reasonable habit, it's going to hurt getting ion them. xxx

 

[FlyBoy81]

What's the ideal shortest period to be on sub/bupe and taper before you jump right off? I only have 30mg of bupe at the moment. Could you go to work if say you tapered to .5mg per day? I'm guessing W/D would be at least a week if not more, right?? Thanks for any help!!!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ do 2mg/day for a week, 1mg/day for a week, .5mg/day for a week.. and whatever you have left save for emergencies or use it to taper further. up to you. customize this taper to your liking also if it doesn't sound right for your situation, im just giving you a basic schedule.

EDIT: i don't even know if i answered the question.. was it even a taper schedule you were looking for with the 30mg? that's how i took it, sorry if i was wrong. Just ignore it lol.

 

[Pegasus]

^30mg is quite a bit, you could probably get under 0.5mg. Anyway, yeah, you could probably work at that level of w/d, but going lower would be better. Also, a few days of kratom or something is a pretty good idea IMO...

 

[DustnRoses]

i myself am going to do a short, quick bupe taper, but with only one 8mg pill. Another part of my question is this....For about 4 or 5 days, I binged on heroin/oxy, using about .5 gram / 1 gram a day for those 4 or 5 days. then I used suboxone for 3 days, no more than .5mg each of those days. I then waited 48 hours to take some oxy/hydro, which I did 3 days in a row, but never achieved the real opiate high that I was hoping for...no itchiness, no real euphoria...just a slightly elevated mood...this was from about 40-50mg a day. So I'm thinking either A) my tolerance has gotten too high to appreciate doses that low, or B) Using suboxone for those 3 days, even though lose doses, were still on my receptors, and the oxy and hydro never penetrated...


But if it was the second scenario, would I go into WD after the sub wears off? Because it's now been 5 days since I last had any sub. I had my last dose of hydro (50 mg's) about 28 hours ago, and I feel no sign of WD. So I'm not sure what to expect...I kind of thought I'd be in withdrawal now from the oxy/hydro I've been taking since Thursday, but at almost 30 hours since last dose, and not being in WD....I don't know what's going on in my body. I doubt that the Sub is still in me, since I only took about 1-2mg's over the course of 3 days, a week ago.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i would take this as a get outta jail free card type situation (simile from the game monopoly),, you are getting a chance to be clean w/o going through w/d's.. it's up to you but that's my input if you aren't getting w/d's still by tomorrow.

 

[Znegative]

is it normal to out of the blue suddenly have constipation after a week of taking only 1 mg/day? (I ask because within the last two days i've been constipated) but before that I had diareah for the last two weeks before that (when i was on two mg a day) sorry its kind of a gross question, but I'm just wondering if anyones experienced that

 

[FlyBoy81]

Thanks, that sounds like a good taper although I will probably have to do 4mg per day to start as I'm on 100-120mg of oxy a day. Would three weeks be too long to stay on the bupe? I just don't want to have a nasty W/D from the bupe, you know? Maybe this:

Day 1-3: 4mg..........12mg
Day 3-7: 2mg..........20mg
Day 7-13: 1mg.........26mg
Day 13-26: .5mg.......29mg
Day 26-30: .25mg.....30mg

OR if wanted to just use my 24mg suboxone and save my 6mg bupe I could suck it up for a couple days and do this:

Day 1-2: 4mg..........4mg
Day 2-7: 2mg.........14mg
Day 7-13: 1mg.......20mg
Day 13-26: .5mg....23mg
Day 26-30: .25mg...24mg

Now lets see if i could stick to that, lol!!! After i jump off the sub, will I be able to work? Or will I still be too sick to work?

 

[Tommyboy]

When you go to a doctor to get on subs can you go in while your still comfortably on opiates and walk out with a script for subs? Or do you have to be in withdrawls for 24 - 48hrs. and actually ready to take the subs and have the doctor give you the first dose?

I have cold turkied off about 40mg snorted OpanaER per day and at the 24 hour mark it would have probably been dangerous for me to drive myself to the doctor and I definately wouldn't have enjoyed sitting in the office and getting an exam, etc. I think it would be perferable to get the script before entering withdrawls so I just wanted to know if that's possible, or how it usually works. Thanks.

It will probably depend on the place, so you should call to find out. I was actually prescribed suboxone when I wasn't physically dependent on opiates. I had just gotten out of inpatient rehab and had used a few times before starting outpatient rehab. They had a suboxone doctor there and I told him that I was likely going to continue using opiates and end up in trouble, so could really use the subs for the cravings.

Other doctors may be different though, and I'm pretty sure that I have read on here that people were asked by their doctor to come back in a day or so because they were not in withdrawal when they went to their appointment.

 

[Fire&Water]

Thanks, that sounds like a good taper although I will probably have to do 4mg per day to start as I'm on 100-120mg of oxy a day. Would three weeks be too long to stay on the bupe? I just don't want to have a nasty W/D from the bupe, you know? Maybe this:

Day 1-3: 4mg..........12mg
Day 3-7: 2mg..........20mg
Day 7-13: 1mg.........26mg
Day 13-26: .5mg.......29mg
Day 26-30: .25mg.....30mg

OR if wanted to just use my 24mg suboxone and save my 6mg bupe I could suck it up for a couple days and do this:

Day 1-2: 4mg..........4mg
Day 2-7: 2mg.........14mg
Day 7-13: 1mg.......20mg
Day 13-26: .5mg....23mg
Day 26-30: .25mg...24mg

Now lets see if i could stick to that, lol!!! After i jump off the sub, will I be able to work? Or will I still be too sick to work?

I dont think 4 mg's is enough to jump off of 1 120 mg. oxtc' habit, but I guess you will find out for yourself

 

[Inrvizion]

I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on how to combat urinary retention cause by suboxone use, for me its harder to pee on subs than any full agonist I've tried. Its gotten so bad that I have to sit down every time and takes 10-15 before I even start peeing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- ROXIanne! - I drink about 90 - 120 ounces of water (3/4 - 1 gallon) daily and I am on 16 mg subutex daily and I pee just fine. First off, drink more water, 90 percent of people are chronically dehydrated and just think it's normal because they have lived with the symptoms for soooo long. Same thing with eating the average unhealthy sickeningly bad for you American Diet. It's horribly wrong it just feels normal because so many people have settled for horribly wrong as their "normal." I drink plenty of water, eat a paleolithic / primal diet - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ - and also I drink a lot of water and my pee runneth freely. I also think of olive oil being expeller pressed when I need to pee but can't. I promise if you drink 1 oz of water daily for every kilogram (2.2 lbs) of body weight and this is still giving you a problem then you need to go see a doctor because you probably have some other health issue causing the urinary retention. Follow my advice about just the water and see what happens, I dare you. People are very quick to write off good healthful eating / drinking advice because McDonald's is soooo fuckin good and bc the think they already have their diet / water consumption under good control but I urge you to look very deeply at these questions before pointing your finger at the sky or in the toilet at your inability to pee. Hope you have a great day and good luck peeing.

 

[Inrvizion]

I just got on Subutex since previously being on Suboxone and wanted to know what is a good low maintenance dose that I will still be able to power trhough with some Heroin when I so choose. I was thinking like 2mg but then I thought maybe even 1 would be better. And don't tell me that that's not what Suboxone's for because I am not an idiot, I'm just a drug addict and I choose to abuse the system. Trust me I reap what I sow and I am just fine with that. Any advice will help, personal experience please because I know on Suboxone I was able to shoot through 2mg but any dose higher than that would block the effects. I am trying to use Subs as just a low level maintenance to keep me from being dope sick type of thing this time rather than a stay off heroin type of approach.

Hope everyone is in high spirits whether you be sober, spun like a dreidel on Hannukah, or just plain ol' stoned. - Inrvizion

 

[Znegative]

I love your honest un-apologetic nature, Inrvizion. I'm on 1 mg now (have been for a week and a half after being on two mg), and I have to say that 2 mg was a better dose IMO (taking one mg in the am one in the pm).

if your on 1 mg a day (under the cieling effect) would taking an extra 1-.5 mg get you more of an opioid buzz? I've been feeling really depressed, lots of cravings but i dont want to shoot dope or oxy.

 

[Fire&Water]

No disrespect, but the worst thing that could happen to 1 of my most helpfull chronic pain meds' (subutex) is that they will start making the tablets out of carbide... (you know what I mean)

 

[Znegative]

To anyone who's used kratom, what would a good dose be if you take 1 mg a day of suboxone. I've heard it's a great way to start spacing out your dosages, so I'm interested, but if it's going to have no effect at all with that dose of bupe, then what dose would be appropriate

 

[Nightlites]

Uggghhhhh...
I really need some help fellas!

I was om bupe for two days, then dosed the morning of the third day...
But then I ended up copping that day and using the remainder of the day.. Then one more the next day (day 4) a shot in the morning....

Now its been more then 24 hours from my final dose of H (only 1 bag)... I woke up earlier today feeling like I was getting sick ( runny nose & watery eyes ) but passed back out n woke up without any real withdrawl symptoms now besides feel zero energy n being depressed...
When should I dose?
Im with family rite now id like to b able to function, but I feel horrible and im scared whats goin on why im not withdrawling yet??

 

[DustnRoses]

The mental part plays in a part in the physical withdrawal, no doubt...I've known people who have gone through terrible physical WD's from heroin, OC, etc. but when they WD in jail, they barely have trouble sleeping...your mind can make you crazy, adding up the hours since your last hit, figuring how much is still in you, etc. but all that really matters is how you feel. I'd say if you feel ok, don't take anything...see how long you can make it, hopefully tomorrow you feel fine again, and the same thing Saturday, and before you know it you're out of the woods. Rare, and odd, but it could happen.

 

[Nightlites]

Well I by NO means feel fine... I feel like shit man ... Dont even wanna move... I fuckin hate it... I just not.sure what to do? Its possible I still had some sub in my system? would it maybe be that sub holding me still and I could safely dose now? When I used h, the sub stopped some of if from hittin me I could clearly tell as I didnt get full afects from it... But.no I dont feel fine I feel like shit just not in full blown withdrawls shitty ya know?

 

[DustnRoses]

Oh ok, from your last post I thought you said you were just going crazy wondering why you weren't feeling any WD's. If it's been over 24 hours since you did any H, you should be safe to take some, but I'd start low...like .5mg, and go up from there. If you somehow still have h on your receptors and the sub makes you go into precip. WD, at least it's just a tiny amount of sub. If you took 2mg or something higher, you'd be sicker, IMO. But, hopefully you're ready to take the sub. I was in a similar situation about a week ago...I was on sub for a few days, waited 48 hours because I wanted to take some oxy/hydro, and when I did, even though 2 full days had passed, I didn't get nearly as high as I was hoping...felt like I took 10mg of OC, and I had like 60. After a 3 day binge on that stuff I waited about 24 hrs, then took sub, felt fine, took it for 3 days, then quit on tuesday. right now im 48 hrs since having any and I feel fine.