Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[Captain.Heroin]

thanks for replying u always helpful

You're welcome, I hope that you feel back to normal soon.

Feel free to keep us updated in the Progress Mega Thread in Other Drugs. If you are successful in getting off of buprenorphine, you should also consider posting a success story in The Dark Side about how you got off of opiates.

 

[Pegasus]

well damn.. I was thinking about maybe going the Suboxone path to recovery but that is way expensive.. way more expensive than my habit (if you include doctors visits and all that). This will be my first attempt at detoxing (2 year habit, have went 1 or 2 days before with no intention of quitting..just couldn't get any). I guess I'll find another method.. all I know is it will include a ton of Immodium. The diarrhea is the worst part for me.. it automatically puts me in a shitty (pun intended) mood even if i'm not detoxing. Can anybody link me some of the best detoxing methods? As in, what type of medicines (over the counter)/vitamins/activities to keep your mind off of things/food and drinks/ etc. I've seen thousands online but is there a unanimous one that most people swear by? Thank you.

Kratom is the best supplement for withdrawing from opiates IMO. It is actually an opioid like Immodium, and it actually crosses into the brain (unlike Immodium). Kratom leaf is basically a mild opiate that is less addicting than typical opiates and so it can be used for a few weeks to come off of Suboxone or other opiates and not have any real dependence created. Some dependence is possible with longer periods of dosing or if extracts or enhanced kratom are used, as these are more addicting. The plain leaf is what you want for this, and probably a Bali or Maeng Da strain.

I'm talking this up because I have used it multiple times myself, am currently doing it yet again, and I also help many others use kratom to come off opiates, and everyone has nothing but wonderful things to say about this method of withdrawing from Suboxone. Kratom works to withdraw from any opioid to some degree but it seems to work especially well to come off of Suboxone and oxycodone (probably hydrocodone, too), probably because Suboxone is a thebaine-derived opiate rather than a morphine- or codeine- derived one.

Anyway, good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you have about this process. Not too many people have tried this yet and this is why it is not more commonly brought up, but this is IMO the best way to come off opiates.

 

[BanginMyLifeAway]

You're welcome, I hope that you feel back to normal soon.

Feel free to keep us updated in the Progress Mega Thread in Other Drugs. If you are successful in getting off of buprenorphine, you should also consider posting a success story in The Dark Side about how you got off of opiates.

yea i plan on posting in here more then i do now

and yea i could prolly do that cuz even had a good 6 month heroin stint got up to shootin up to a half a g in a shot it was terrible im surprised i didnt OD when i couldnt find h i had to go back to get oc again and i had to bang 4 at once just to get relieve didnt even get loaded

 

[BanginMyLifeAway]

yea AnnArbor i was lucky to have a friend who got a script of subs and always had extras to help me out but u will have to withdraw from subs too thats where im at now but its no where near as bad as opiates

 

[privateparts]

Q: How long after my last bupe dose can I take an opiate and feel its effects?
A: It depends on what dose of bupe you were taking and how long. The short answer is 36-48 hours, though it may certainly be less, or more than that. Caution should be used when dosing, as you will still have a tolerance but it will not be as high as it was when you first got on bupe.

my doc said something along the lines of the strips are almost instantly absorbed and after 24 hrs you still have around 6 mgs from an 8 mg strip in your body. building of course with prolonged dosage. i want to know if anyone has heard similar information or has the exact info on this please.

ive been using it in between doses of roxy 30s to keep from having withdrawal symptoms. with such sporatic usage does the bupe immediately knock the opiate off of my receptors and take over them rendering it useless?

yes i am a male, i have a dick, and its big enough to swing too. i would really appreciate some serious information.

thanks guys and gals!

*edit*
with such sporatic usage does the bupe immediately knock the opiate off of my receptors and take over them rendering it useless? or do i have small amounts of roxy still clinging for life in there somewhere?

 

[Sweetsomniferum]

Still scared of pre-induction w/drawal

Thank you so much! I've also ordered some powdered kratom. Has anyone rec'd relief from mod/severe w/drawal with kratom? How (& how much) should I use?
Since I started MMT, only once have I gone 48 hours w/out methadone & it was a horrible experience. I had to work a graveyard shift that night (in a freezer). I'm terrified of experiencing that much pain & illness, although w/drawing in bed with streaming Netflix is preferable to an industrial freezer. Any tips for encouraging a reluctant mdone. clinic dr to cut loose a few benzos or clonidines? I'm confident that I will show up on my induction date in sufficient w/drawal.

I love Opium so very much -- my dearest wish is that She could incarnate as the sweet, gorgeous, loving woman I imagine Her to be. I would love to present Her to my parents, saying, "This is my bride, Opium." When I lay down w/Her at night, w/ my husband & brother asleep & unable to prevent or argue, I love the insistent drowsiness, the conflation of the real world w/ my dreams. She effortlessly injects such ease and brilliant color into my fantasies, insisting that I choose between another half hour of easy, colorful fantasy & the thrill of succumbing to the rich dark sleep licking at my eyelids.
Moving 272 miles north to the Land of No Clinics would portend disaster w/out a maintenance drug. My willpower to live w/out Her is very weak. Why can't the US offer morphine/diamorphine maintenance? I plan to grow a small amt. of poppies in a greenhouse up north. That seems ideal; nothing between us but sun, soil, & rain.

 

[muvolution]

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick, but every post I see of yours is idealizing opiates to a totally ridiculous extent. They obviously can't be that great if you have ended up on Opiate Maintenance Therapy, something happened to put you there, and it could not have been good, so you should move on with your life, and if you do love them so much, you need to get over it.

The law is the way it is, deal with it, don't complain about it not being to your liking. It does not help you mentally and certainly not in the view of others. You need to stop dreaming about dope all day and figure out how to have meaningful activities in your life other than writing long, elegant prose idealizing opiates all day.
Exercise, friends, education, sports, art, etc... find activities that make you happy and occupy you throughout the day and night. You have to let go to move on.

Sorry for sounding preachy, I know its hard to come off dope, but a part of it is letting go.

 

[comatoserct]

I feel for everyone struggling to pay for their suboxone, but I doubt it costs more than a serious drug habit that would warrant getting on the program to being with (not meant to be brash, but habit was over $3000 a month I'm sure many other people's are/were way higher)

I've never seen one, but a fellow suboxone user I met outside the pharmacy told me of a black card from rickett becker that they give doctors for patients with low income that cannot afford their scripts. they don't get many, and I'm sure most doctors have already given their away, but it's worth a shot to ask. also check these out:

http://www.rxassist.org/pap-info/company_detail.cfm?CmpId=173

http://freedrugcard.us/

also ask for subutex, it's cheaper.

anyone got news on the $75 off cards for the strips? my doc told me they were probably going to renew them

 

[Larson0]

I feel for everyone struggling to pay for their suboxone, but I doubt it costs more than a serious drug habit that would warrant getting on the program to being with (not meant to be brash, but habit was over $3000 a month I'm sure many other people's are/were way higher)

I've never seen one, but a fellow suboxone user I met outside the pharmacy told me of a black card from rickett becker that they give doctors for patients with low income that cannot afford their scripts. they don't get many, and I'm sure most doctors have already given their away, but it's worth a shot to ask. also check these out:

http://www.rxassist.org/pap-info/company_detail.cfm?CmpId=173

http://freedrugcard.us/

also ask for subutex, it's cheaper.

anyone got news on the $75 off cards for the strips? my doc told me they were probably going to renew them

as far as i know the card is o nly for like 3 or 4 people based on how many the doctor has. maybe its like 5-10 but im pretty sure its something rediculously low

i'd love if they renewed the 75 off card, but for now im going to print out all i can and use them. not sure if i can use more than 1 at my pharmacy, which is walgreens and the worst pharmacy ever. i swear i wait in line for half an hour at least every time, no matter how many people are there, and they always fuck my orders up.

 

[BigGreenGuys]

Hey I've been on methadone for 10 years and for the last 2 months I've been taking a 100mgs at the request of my counselor ....anyway there going to kick me off the clinic....so I made an appointment to see a doc for suboxone in 4days....so I will be off methadone for a least 72 hrs but I planning on using heroine for those 72hrs then not do anything 12hrs. Before I dose on suboxone....does this sound like a good plan to avoid full withdraw of the methadone ...and for me not to get pwd's

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey I've been on methadone for 10 years and for the last 2 months I've been taking a 100mgs at the request of my counselor ....anyway there going to kick me off the clinic....so I made an appointment to see a doc for suboxone in 4days....so I will be off methadone for a least 72 hrs but I planning on using heroine for those 72hrs then not do anything 12hrs. Before I dose on suboxone....does this sound like a good plan to avoid full withdraw of the methadone ...and for me not to get pwd's

Yes, this is the best idea.

I think you are going to do well.

 

[Sweetsomniferum]

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick, but every post I see of yours is idealizing opiates to a totally ridiculous extent. They obviously can't be that great if you have ended up on Opiate Maintenance Therapy . . .

Unrestrained opiate use reduced my life down to almost nothing. MMT allowed me to fill my life again. I'm resuming my graduate education & moving to an extraordinarily beautiful place. W/drawal from mdone. has certainly flared cravings.
Hiking &/or swimming in the cold Pacific every day has helped me to burn off some of the manic energy of w/drawal. I'm hoping Suboxone works as effectively as MMT in helping me to control my use. I doubt that anything could cause me to fall out of love w/Opium; maintenance therapy is an effective tool for some addicts, satisfying some of the obsessive desire to use.

 

[jnicolas1980]

I need some advice here. I've been on bupe maintenance for several months now. Started in December but didn't decide on maintenance until the end of January. Initially, I was at a low dose for the first month or so (about 1 mg a day, sublingually). My plan was to be on it only as long as I needed for detox. However, because I have pain problems, I realized I wanted to stay on. Unfortunately, my daily dose slowly started getting higher, and now I'm taking anywhere from 8 to 12 mg a day (been this way for about two months).

Here's the tricky (and frustrating) part. I just went to see my bupe doctor (monthly visit), and she told me the state (Florida) is on their case for treating people on maintenance. Apparently, they're allowed only short-term treatment. I have two options: find another clinic that offers maintenance or hope I can taper off in the 12-14 weeks before they stop admitting me.

I really like this place and wonder if it's because it's more of an outpatient detox, rather than a clinic. I'm afraid if I go to a clinic, it'll be overcrowded and miserable (this is South Florida). Ideally, I could just bite the bullet and taper off. But I'm afraid of what effect it will have on me at work. At the dosage I'm at now, it seems like I'll have a lot of prolonged discomfort and end up fucking up my job.

I would like to get some other perspectives on this before I make any decisions. It would really be appreciated.

 

[crystalserenity]

Does anybody have some tips or tricks for breaking sub pills up. I do OK down to 1mg after that I don't think I am doing well. Right now I am taking .5 and want to drop to .25 n .125 at some point. I would even go lower but I'm sure that would be impossible. Thanx for any help you all can give me.

 

[comatoserct]

as far as i know the card is o nly for like 3 or 4 people based on how many the doctor has. maybe its like 5-10 but im pretty sure its something rediculously low

i'd love if they renewed the 75 off card, but for now im going to print out all i can and use them. not sure if i can use more than 1 at my pharmacy, which is walgreens and the worst pharmacy ever. i swear i wait in line for half an hour at least every time, no matter how many people are there, and they always fuck my orders up.

they did renew the subxone film card, but it's only for $45 off now.

http://www.suboxone.com/patients/here_to_help/copay.aspx?cid=subx

I think for now I'll stick with the films

 

[amapola]

Does anybody have some tips or tricks for breaking sub pills up. I do OK down to 1mg after that I don't think I am doing well. Right now I am taking .5 and want to drop to .25 n .125 at some point. I would even go lower but I'm sure that would be impossible. Thanx for any help you all can give me.

You can use liquid measurement where you dissolve a known mass in a known volume of liquid and then use the concentration for dosing. For example if you can easily get .5mg of the pill then dissolve .5mg in 100ml of water and you'll have a 5 micrograms per milliliter solution to dose as you like. If you want to go even finer and don't have a good measuring cup you can dilute even more as well.

 

[crystalserenity]

I have read many times here of the long half life of subs but am unable to discern exactly what that is. I utfse, but again, do not find a numerical answer. What is the half life of subs?

 

[AnnArbor]

Kratom is the best supplement for withdrawing from opiates IMO. It is actually an opioid like Immodium, and it actually crosses into the brain (unlike Immodium). Kratom leaf is basically a mild opiate that is less addicting than typical opiates and so it can be used for a few weeks to come off of Suboxone or other opiates and not have any real dependence created. Some dependence is possible with longer periods of dosing or if extracts or enhanced kratom are used, as these are more addicting. The plain leaf is what you want for this, and probably a Bali or Maeng Da strain.

I'm talking this up because I have used it multiple times myself, am currently doing it yet again, and I also help many others use kratom to come off opiates, and everyone has nothing but wonderful things to say about this method of withdrawing from Suboxone. Kratom works to withdraw from any opioid to some degree but it seems to work especially well to come off of Suboxone and oxycodone (probably hydrocodone, too), probably because Suboxone is a thebaine-derived opiate rather than a morphine- or codeine- derived one.

Anyway, good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you have about this process. Not too many people have tried this yet and this is why it is not more commonly brought up, but this is IMO the best way to come off opiates.

Hey thank you for your response I appreciate it. One thing tho.. I have never even heard of Kratom but I am definitely open to it. How would one go about obtaining it though? From a quick (but not thorough) google search I believe it is only available online or is it prescribed? The results I got were saying its not available in store. Also, I guess I should mention my habit is Vicodin (and everything similar, whatever my "friends" have), forgot to mention in my first post). But I am interested in trying Kratom. Also, you mentioned it could be used instead of Immodium. Immodium immediately cures diarrhea in my experience.. its like the wonder drug for that lol. will Kratom help that? I would be tempted to take both at once if not.. because the diarrhea when detoxing might be the most uncomfortable thing about detoxing imo. I can never relax/be comfortable knowing that I'll probably be running to the bathroom once I finally start to settle in for a minute. But again, thank you- look forward to your response.

 

[bwanajzj]

Hey all!

Lot's going on here... been deviating from the treatment plan...

Anyways my point is this morning I IV's about 1.1mg Bupe (stabilizing at 1 right now), and I felt 'the rush'

It's a beautiful rush, and much better than morphine...

Also had a failed attempt at banging about 100 mg dope... barely an effect at all, street dope... brown Afghan or Yugoslavian or something, completely diluted... So today I am going for a quarter gram, and then will start low, and try a better technique.... shots looked exactly as they should, that beautiful reddish/brownish/orange color... and I even hit a pH of 3-4 using citric acid, so all was right. Just not the dope....

Speaking of brown dope and acid, how much acid do you use to hit the right pH and I'm talking a [Citric acic (g)]:[H20 volume (ml)]:[amount of dope (g)]?

Bupe is great, and I will get through and taper off, I just have to try IV's dope now that I started with the needle and am nearing the end of my ORT and coming clean... Will be nice with all the know-hows in the baggage....

 

[Pegasus]

Hey thank you for your response I appreciate it. One thing tho.. I have never even heard of Kratom but I am definitely open to it. How would one go about obtaining it though? From a quick (but not thorough) google search I believe it is only available online or is it prescribed? The results I got were saying its not available in store. Also, I guess I should mention my habit is Vicodin (and everything similar, whatever my "friends" have), forgot to mention in my first post). But I am interested in trying Kratom. Also, you mentioned it could be used instead of Immodium. Immodium immediately cures diarrhea in my experience.. its like the wonder drug for that lol. will Kratom help that? I would be tempted to take both at once if not.. because the diarrhea when detoxing might be the most uncomfortable thing about detoxing imo. I can never relax/be comfortable knowing that I'll probably be running to the bathroom once I finally start to settle in for a minute. But again, thank you- look forward to your response.

Yep, it is available primarily online, and the best quality stuff is definitely online. Some head shops do sell it but the quality is poor. Kratom definitely helps with the runs like Immodium... Immodium works because it is an opioid that binds opiate receptors outside the brain, which kratom does too, but also enters the brain and gives psychoactive effects.

There is a kratom thread with a lot of info in this thread... I have a guide to coming off of Suboxone with kratom in the second post and this can easily be applied to other opiates just by shortening from 2-3 weeks to maybe 1 week or so. I'd post any further questions in this thread. Good luck!